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Bill Clinton: Hillary Chummy With McCain

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Posted on Jan 25, 2008
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Wow, Hillary Clinton’s husband has been très vocal of late, running the gamut of campaign tactics with such alacrity that it almost seems he’s done this before.  Bill Clinton’s latest message is one of unity—specifically, between Hillary and the man who could be her Republican rival on the presidential ballot, John McCain.


CNNPolitics.com:

“She and John McCain are very close,” Clinton said. “They always laugh that if they wound up being the nominees of their party, it would be the most civilized election in American history, and they’re afraid they’d put the voters to sleep because they like and respect each other.”

The comments may not be welcome by the McCain camp—which yesterday [Thursday] faced fire from several of its rivals for winning the backing of the New York Times—a longtime archenemy of conservatives.

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By PatrickHenry, January 27, 2008 at 3:35 pm Link to this comment

My conditional reinlistment bonus of the type you describe was paid upon reenlistment.  I would want that money in my bank, not the governments, in event of my death.

Obama better shake up his office if he wants to debate Veteran Affair issues with Hillary.

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By Maani, January 27, 2008 at 2:44 pm Link to this comment

Patrick:

Whoever he contactd, he got a response from Hillary’s office, but not from Obama’s.  That was the point.  I’m sure Hillary gets a thousand e-mails a day, too.

As for asking for the money back, I suppose “signing” is a misnomer, though that was the phrase used.  The money was not actually given upon the physical signing of the contract.  I will try to find out the details of at what point the money would be given; i.e., sometime during the contract, or after.

Finally, I did not suggest that Hillary or her office did an “end run power play” around Obama.  Again, the point is simply that Hillary and her office responded and Obama and his office did not.  It does not matter whether Hillary (or her office) were aware or not that the soldier had contacted Obama as well.

You really are a piece of work…

Peace.

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By PatrickHenry, January 27, 2008 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment

First, their “buddy” likely contacted the Obama office along with the other thousand e-mails he gets daily. 

Second, since it was a “signing bonus” and the soldier sustained a war related injury, there is no way the Military would ask for their money back.  If the soldier went AWOL or committed a crime they would be able to sue for the money back.

Third, don’t believe for a second that an opportunist such as Hillary would know about Obama’s senate VA position and would have one of her staff perform an end around power play to embarrass, after all this is politics in an election year.

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By amunaor, January 27, 2008 at 10:48 am Link to this comment

Yes Quasar, it is time Dorothy took a peek behind the curtain. (We ain’t in Kansas anymore).

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By amunaor, January 27, 2008 at 10:39 am Link to this comment

PatrickHenry, McCain is a dangerous lunatic, caught in the rushes of his own ego; certainly not the type of person to have at his disposal, WMD.

Apparently, he has learned absolutely nothing from his past experiences.

Thanks for the links.

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By Maani, January 27, 2008 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

Cyrena:

You must think EVERYONE is stupid, otherwise you would not have had to repeat your comment about considering “the source”; once would have sufficed.

That said, the “source” was the VFW office in NH, which was canvassing for Hillary prior to the voting there.  The vets in that office - men, women, black white, hispanic, old, young (some of whom had been brought in, and were thus not from NH) - all felt the same way.  One young man, just returned from Iraq, noted that the military is now offering a $50,000 “signing bonus” for any soldier willing to up for another tour.  He told how one of his buddies had done so, only to have his legs blown off about two months later.  When his buddy returned from Iraq, he asked for his signing bonus.  The army refused to give it to him, telling him, “You didn’t fulfill your contract.”

His buddy contacted both Obama (who sits on the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee) and Hillary (who does not).  Obama’s people sent him a form letter, and though he recontacted them, they dragged their feet and ultimately did nothing.  Hillary’s people got in touch with him right away, and worked with him to get that bonus - and got it for him.  Not only that, but when Hillary personally found out about this, she immediately introduced legislation that would prevent the army from attempting this kind of outrage in the future.  The young man who related this was actually WORRIED that ANY other candidate (Dem or Rep) would become president because “none of them care about the vets like Hillary does, and I’m concerned we will not get our benefits.”

As noted, Obama has the worst absentee record on the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee, and, according to the vets in NH, has done virturally nothing for them.  Hillary (and her people), on the other hand, has worked for them tirelessly in every way.

The “source” is unimpeachable.  They have no reason to lie about these things.  They have no vested interest in supporting Hillary UNLESS she has actually done things for them.

As always, nice try.  But you REALLY failed on this one.

Peace.

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By truthdweller, January 27, 2008 at 3:12 am Link to this comment

By PatrickHenry, January 26 at 1:18 pm #

Re: Re: John McCain for President?

I belong to the VFW and I sure as hell am not voting for her/him.

PatrickHenry,

On the above, just consider the source. Believe me, I know dozens if not hundreds of people who belong to the VFW, and they are NOT supporting Hillary or McCain. Like I said, consider the source.

BUT, in respect to all of those Jews you mentioned, the largest population being in New York…(actually, New Jersey has a pretty large population as well, and let’s not forget a large portion of the Hollywood crowd either)...Still, you might be surprised to know how many of them might vote.

In reality, Rudy has most certainly NOT run a campaign in ANY way at odds with Jewish or Israeli interests…quite the contrary. So, he has HAD that portion of the support that you’re referencing. So, what I think it means, is that this largest population of Jews in the world isn’t necessarily so impressed with Rudy, at least not the ones at the NYT.

No, Rudy has pretty much pissed off MOST New Yorkers, regardless of whether they’re Jewish or not.

And, hard as it may seem to believe, there are a whole bunch of Jews in Southern California too, and MOST of them, are NOT (and I have to repeat that) NOT
Pro-Israel. Seriously.

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By Louise, January 26, 2008 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment

Speaking of Hillary and McCain ...

“How did Hillary steal New Hampshire?—(Jan. 25, 2007)

“• Ask Congressman Dennis Kucinich [D-OH] who is paying for a “recount” of the electronic balloting in New Hampshire and he will likely tell you that the old Clinton shenanigans were taking place in the nation’s first primary. Staffers for Congressman Ron Paul [R-TX] will say the same thing, but laying the blame on Sen. John McCain rather than Hillary Clinton. But, in both instances, the name “Diebold” will pop up in the dialogue.”

http://www.jonchristianryter.com/RyterReport/headlines.html

So pick your poison. Heads Hillary, tails McCain. Either way we lose, cause “they” whoever the hell they are, will never allow a woman to reign. You think Bill and Hillary have been a tad nasty? You aint seen nuthin yet. Wait till whoever fixed these numbers goes after candidate Hillary in the final stretch!

And McCain? More of the same, ‘til it’s all gone.

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By Hammo, January 26, 2008 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment

In many ways, Hillary has the same constituency as Joe Lieberman, another buddy of McCain’s.

Hillary will put the same people in governmental positions as those who started the Iraq War and are manipulating our government and nation.

Take a look at the article on the Web site of the Populist Party of America ...

‘Mistakes’ or ‘plans’ in Iraq, War on Terror?

http://www.populistamerica.com/mistakes_or_plans_in_iraq_war_on_terror

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By PatrickHenry, January 26, 2008 at 2:18 pm Link to this comment

I belong to the VFW and I sure as hell am not voting for her/him.

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By 911truthdotorg, January 26, 2008 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

First, Google “The Keating Five”. He was involved with the Enron of the 80’s. The S&L;Meltdown where millions of people lost everything.

Then read this article in today’s AZ Republic:
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0126mccain-lobby0126.html

Now this:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/26/who-stole-mccains-white-flag/

9/11 was an inside job.  http://www.911truth.org

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By Maani, January 26, 2008 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

And are you aware that VFW - the largest vet organization - is supporting Hillary?  And do you know why?  Because according to them, she has done more for vets than not only any other candidate running for office, but any other representative in the whole of Congress.  She works tirelessly for them, helping them get the benefits they should be getting, and helping new vets - even individually - when they return from overseas. Yet according to them, Obama, who sits on the Veteran Affairs Committee, not only has the worst absentee record on the c’te, but hasn’t done jack squat for them.

Peace.

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By PatrickHenry, January 26, 2008 at 9:01 am Link to this comment

John McCain was the primary opposition to the Senate Select Committee on POWs. He bitterly opposed any attempt to rescue any other POWs. This is very strange since John McCain was himself, a POW.
 
The POWs that might have been rescued, would have been able to give testimony about the 32 propaganda tapes that John McCain made for the communists, while in Viet Nam. The 32 propaganda tapes are still “classified” so that no one can see them. 

Vietnam Veterans call John McCain a collaborator John McCain says that he would keep our soldiers in Iraq for 100 years. Would he also leave any prisoners there for the rest of their lives? 
 
John McCain at Fox Debate EXPOSED by Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsqDAafTaFc
 
McCain laughs, Sings Bomb Iran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAzBxFaio1I&feature=related 
 
John McCain Gets Owned on Meet The Press
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajm5JTf7jZs 
 
John McCain- Weak on Immigration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs6wwg_ie6Y !

McCain was bombing women in a lightbulb factory (according to Newsweek) when shot down in North Vietnam.  He has never failed to defend any illegal or violent war in which the US leaders involved the citizens.

McCain has the support of Henry Kissinger (indicted in Belgium for war crimes), of Joe Lieberman, neocon rejected by Democrats in Connecticut, and other war profiteers.
 
The McCain Feingold bill made it possible for war profiteers to run nonstop swift boat attack ads ... a campaign to help in Bush’s illegal installation in the White House.
 
McCain approves the Bush tax cuts for the rich which in combination with the Iraq and Afghanistan fiascos have caused trillions in deficit.

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By Quasar, January 26, 2008 at 8:53 am Link to this comment
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For the last seven years we have been chased relentlessly, running scared through thick woods from an enemy that is everywhere and nowhere.  We’ve seen our friends, relatives and trusted allies swallowed up, eaten alive and beheaded.  We’re alone, tired and hungry.  Then we see a cabin, dimly lit, in a clearing just ahead. We approach with caution and peek in the window. We can’t believe what we see.  It’s him.  He is alive. Our friend and ally. He knows these woods.  He knows how to kill the beast. He will help. We tap on the glass. He looks up and sees us.  He points to the door. We go around the corner.  The door is open but he is not there.  We enter.  The door slams behind us.  He locks it and smiles.  “What took you so long?” He says.  “Everything is going to be all right. Don’t be afraid.” He points to the covered pot in the fireplace.  “Hungry?” We sit down. “Yes. Smells good.”  “Old family recipe,”  he smiles and picks up a cleaver.  “Let’s eat.”

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By PatrickHenry, January 26, 2008 at 8:33 am Link to this comment

Hillary represents New York, the largest concentration of jews in the world, more so than Israel, many live across the river in Connecticut and are Liebermans constituants.  Since Rudy dissed the Yankees he is toast in New York, McCain has continually kissed the zionist ring and has promised to carry on with a foreign policy closely aligned with Israels interest. 

They are all smart enough to know that if you would run a campaign contrary to Jewish and Israeli interest you will quickly be labeled a kook, an anti-semite and will recieve no press or misreported media.  Its not so much about the money as it is about the exposure or lack thereof.

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By cyrena, January 26, 2008 at 1:29 am Link to this comment

Time to throw the tea into the harbor DennisD.

Actually, it’s like waayyy PAST time to do it. It’s nearly impossible for my own mind to conjure ANYTHING that we would have to LOSE in the action….

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By jackpine savage, January 25, 2008 at 9:24 pm Link to this comment

That would be the most worthless election ever.  I shudder to think.  DennisD hit the nail on the head with his Coke or Pepsi comment.

An editorial appeared in yesterday’s Washington Times that might raise a few eyebrows.  Does anybody remember the Barrett Report?  Well, according to this article, a portion of it was redacted and tucked away in some Raiders of the Lost Ark warehouse on Capital Hill.  Several prominent Democrats got the offending portion put away by attaching a rider to an unrelated bill.  However, any member of Congress may drag it out at any time.  We of course don’t know what those pages say, but we can be pretty sure that its another Clinton scandal…and there are insinuations that this time, things are criminal.  Goodman makes the obvious connection that the Republicans are just waiting for Clinton to get the nomination and then bring it out…so much for civilized, eh?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080124/EDITORIAL/774081954

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By Maani, January 25, 2008 at 8:55 pm Link to this comment

Part of the equation will be who they each choose as a VP running mate.

That said, as long as McCain remains so gung-ho about Iraq (which ~70% of Americans want to see an immediate end to), and offers watered down versions of trickle-down economics as policy (i.e., Reaganomics in a new dress), he is a sure loser.

Peace.

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By P. T., January 25, 2008 at 6:30 pm Link to this comment

He still wants to beat the “bitch.”  wink  This is triangulation run amok.

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By cbreeze, January 25, 2008 at 5:59 pm Link to this comment
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There is nothing this man can say that will convince me he sees himself as anything other than a master manipulator of our ignorant, feeble minds. So lost in his own fairy tale. he would be incapable of recognizing the truth were it to bite him on the behind. Please don’t nauseate me with anymore of his affectionate observations.

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By DennisD, January 25, 2008 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment
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If this pairing is what we could be down to for the 08 election I guess it’s time to throw the tea in the harbor and start another revolution.

Is there a choice between them on any major issue? Of course not, it’s American politics at its best. Coke vs. Pepsi. Another done corporate deal.

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