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House, Bush Cut Stimulus Deal

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House Democrats, Republicans and President Bush have tentatively agreed on the broad outlines of a $150-billion stimulus package. Most of that money will come in the form of payouts ranging between $300 and $1,200 for individuals and households.

Democrats were able to include lower-income Americans in the deal but had to give up on extra food stamps and an unemployment benefits extension.

Republicans, for their part, lost out on extending Bush’s tax cut.


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The accord was announced by Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California, Republican leader Rep. John A. Boehner of Ohio, and Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. at a Capitol news conference and hailed minutes afterward by President Bush as the fruit of “patience, determination and good will” in both parties.

The president and the speaker both described the accord as embracing the basic precepts of their respective parties. Mr. Bush called it “a powerful and effective way to help taxpayers and businesses” by letting people keep and spend more of their own money.

Ms. Pelosi said the package is aimed at the middle class “and to those who aspire to be in the middle class.” She described it as “timely, targeted and temporary—that was our standard.”

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By Rob, February 4, 2008 at 9:35 pm Link to this comment
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I agree totally. All entitlement programs should have a time limit.  As a tax payer, I’m tired of supporting dead beats, illegal aliens and their anchor kids, and those who didn’t take advantage of a “free public education” and thus are unemployable.
It’s beginning to sound like the Nationalist States of America or the Nationalist States for Mexicans in America.

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By Rob, February 4, 2008 at 9:25 pm Link to this comment
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How about publishing figures that details the cost of medicaid, food stamps, WIC, free lunch, education and housing of illegal aliens?  Bet you could pay for the entire military budet with that.  I for one would rather my tax dollars be spent on Americans, including the military.

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By Bunker, January 25, 2008 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment
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Yes, let’s allocate 150 billion that we don’t have and hand it to the people! Let’s dig another hole in the budget and fill a gap with it.
Sure, it will probably make some impact on the dwindling economy; though, in the end it will not make a difference.
Let’s face it, those with above average incomes don’t need it and those really in need of financial aid will spend it, and… mmm, and then what?
Why not take this $150 billion and work on a future for the U.S. beyond the scope of 4 or 8 years in office?
Spend the $150 billion on a better health care system. Use the $150 billion to provide an education system that will set an example for the rest of the world. Let’s face it; what is better for a country’s economy than healthy, educated people?
Wouldn’t it be great to put someone in office who actually dealt with the problems at hand not blind sighted by lobbyists or vote counts? Someone who would actually look beyond his or her term? Because we have seen the give-people-bread-and-games approach before, it didn’t work then, it won’t work now.

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By sandi, January 25, 2008 at 3:51 pm Link to this comment
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Just another example of “the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer”.  I am so SICK of Bush and this administration!! Will I get a tax rebate?? I’m sure I won’t, because I one of the “lucky” ones that happen to have a disease that prevents me from working and contributing anymore.  Not to mention the years that I DID contribute, and half the time taxes were almost half of my check. I guess that means nothing to this administration now though. Bush and his croonies have never cared about our senior citizens that live on very meager social security checks, hardly being able to pay their bills, going without medications they desperately need.  I, for one, feel their pain now and I’m not a senior citizen. I am, however, a U.S. citizen that worked for many years and paid my dues, only to be told that I could no longer work.  So lets see, on a given month…lets take this month for example.  Between the SSDI and LTD I receive not quite $1,000.00 a month. Let’s not forget the HEALTH INSURANCE that I have to pay 100% premium, which is over $500.00 a month, or say…the $300.00 power bill I received this month (one month I might add).  Just these two bills in one month, and every other month, unless I get “lucky” and my power bill is not over $200.00 for the month.  You do the math, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out who is on the low end of the totem pole, and THEY DON’T GIVE A DAMN! Bush could care less if that money is spent on groceries…oh wait, I can’t buy groceries…not enough money left at the end of the month…If I did receive the rebate check, would I go to walmart? walmart you say???? Oh…yea…I have that DR bill that has to be paid, and my 200.00 prescription bill that has to be paid so I would have to say no to that, and you would think that as much as I pay for insurance, just on MYSELF, that it would at LEAST cover my meds.  For the people that are lucky enough to be put into the “middle class” and make over $75,000.00, and then complain that they are in the same boat that I"M in?? Oh please, live within your means, as I have to do if you can’t afford that 500,000.00 home and brand new vehicles, expensive clothes, jewelry, cosmetic surgery, hair and nails done weekly, your children wearing the finest clothes, driving the new vehicles around town.  Do i feel sorry for YOU????? I THINK NOT!!! I’ll GLADLY trade one day with you!  This country is going straight to hell, with it’s politics and so-callled “health reform” bills, and all the other so called bills that are doing NOTHING but inviting more ILLIGALS into this country, and they are succeeding.  I’m SURE they will be getting rebate checks, as they already get MORE in benefits a month than I do, and they’ve never paid a dime into our system.  What gives BUSH????? My DAD even said you couldn’t be trusted from the very beginning because your eyes are TOO close together, and never trust a man with those features.  HA! he is a wise old man.  I am SO glad to say I did NOT vote for Bush, and neither did he.

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By Jim, January 25, 2008 at 3:45 pm Link to this comment
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Ok, so part of what the federal government is doing is to make our ‘economy stronger’ – but why can’t we just make our nation smarter?

Giving free money away amounting to 150 BILLION dollars. Sure, it’s our money to begin with, but A) people will look to this solution again and again as times grow tough in the future, and B) it adds to the 250 billion deficit for the year to make it closer to 400 billion. Nice.

Sure, it sounds fun – getting a big check from the government. Short term. But consider that they have to MAIL these freaking checks. If 150 million people receive checks, and mail plus paper plus ink add up to about 50 cents each, that’s about $75 million in postage. Huh? 75 million. In postage. At least. Some will say that’s chump change. But it’s not. It’s more like 1/10 of a BILLION. And we’re already in debt 400 BILLION. Make it 401. Why not just offer these checks as direct deposit to people. If you don’t have a bank account – force them to get one, and tell the banks to offer FREE accounts to people who need them. Then arrange to WIRE the money by having every person go to either their bank or the Internet to do the proper paperwork to receive the funds. Surely they can create a smart data system to handle this. they already have something like this in place via electronic filing. So it is possible. Anyway, sending $ electronically saves postage, and forces people to take a look at their own financial accountability – which is part of the reason we’re in this worldwide credit crunch to begin with.

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By BIGSPENDER, January 25, 2008 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment
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I am planing to divide my $600 into 365 and that will give me $1.64 per day to buy my sylef a cup of cheap coffe each of for the next year. LMAO.
Our government has such low opinion about the intelligence of the people they govern, and why not we keep the blinders on and swallow the corrupt inept media propafganda. Our goverment should STOP taking our money to waste it.

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By Greg Gorman, January 25, 2008 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment
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I find it amazing how fast congress can actually work when they have to. They all agreed to compromise and get this stimulus bill trough, unfortunately it goes to the senate and now certain people want to pad it up as usual. Instead of just acting to do something, it will get bogged down . It was a good effort by the house, it just goes to show that things can happen when both parties work together.

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By Me, January 25, 2008 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment
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Robbing from the middle class to support the poor reeks of proletarian Communism. If you can’t rise from poverty, why should anyone bail you out?

Sorry pal, there are many of us who have paid into a system that is paying for you, and essentially throwing our money away by doing it.

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By amunaor, January 25, 2008 at 11:34 am Link to this comment

Glassy eyes rolled back into their skulls, with frenzied grins of self deprecating pleasure, the heard of Donkeys and Elephants earnestly watch the fornicating Bulls and Bears upon the stock exchange floor, the gathering crowd cheers on for more as they eagerly await the anointing eruption of cornucopia from the Federal Reserve printers.

The blood spilled in both French and American Revolutions cries in agony from the soil, falling on deaf ears in the maddening crowd.

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By jackpine savage, January 25, 2008 at 10:18 am Link to this comment

Well said, Bill.  What i find most disheartening is that American citizens like you who have handled their finances well will be sucked into the maw of this mess.

You sir, do not deserve to be punished for the transgressions of others, but i am afraid that you will be.

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By Louise, January 25, 2008 at 9:33 am Link to this comment

“What Washington REALLY needs instead of a bunch of lawyers and politicians running the country, we need a woman or man WHO REALLY is OF THE PEOPLE… cause lets face it, there really isn’t anyone in Washington now who knows what its like for their children to go to bed hungry and cold. But guess what I know hundreds that do.”

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wedontcount, you are so right!

Look what I just ran across on what really happened!
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

“Senate May Scuttle House’s Agreement With Bush on Stimulus Plan”

“Baucus, 66, said he wants to extend unemployment insurance benefits and ensure that low-income workers get rebates of the same size as middle-class people. “I think the lower incomes shouldn’t be cut off,’’ he said.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aDzIggDfdllY&refer=home

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Don’t know whether to call this “Senate determined to fight for the little guy,” or business as usual.

Anyway, that sense of urgency seems to be getting less and less urgent huh? Kinda like the “urgency” to stop the war. Or hold the Bush administration to accountability.

But when someone doesn’t know where they’re going to come up with the money to pay the bills at the end of the month, I guess the political posturing doesn’t mean a whole heck of a lot anyway, does it. It sure as heck doesn’t to me. No matter what these guys settle on, if they ever settle on anything, I’ll still be scrambling to come up with the money to pay the bills at the end of the month.

Government does not consider people who don’t make enough to pay taxes worthy of receiving anything they consider tax based. Never mind that in excise and consumer taxes we pay a far larger percentage than the Middle or Upper classes. Speaking of which the WAY UPPER classes frequently manage to pay none and often get tax based “incentives” on top of that.

All through the Middle Ages, the poor were despised, and considered not worthy of recognition or respect. Although the rich, who did absolutely nothing of value, had no problem accepting the labor of the poor.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

You are right, we need a real person who understands the real needs of real people leading this country. Unfortunately I don’t see anyone like that running in the democrat camp. Unless someone is working real hard to hide their true personality from us!

For some reason Obama springs to mind. (?)
OK, I know smile

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By G.Anderson, January 25, 2008 at 9:12 am Link to this comment

Yes, I agree the American people are the last on the list, when it comes to any help or aid, or relief.

There are also many in the middle classes, whose incomes look good, but after they pay all their bills, are in the same position.

And that’s just the point isn’t it. America is not just facing a need for a stimulus, because of a looming recession. But, instead is facing a decline in the standard of living.

The wealthy and the upper middle classes are starting for feel that now, the stimulus package is for them.

The Republicans, and their weak Democratic allies, who have presided over the “Decline and Fall of America”, were having too good a time in Washington with all that Pac money to notice what was happening in America. But now that Wall street is feeling the pinch, they are reacting.

Reactions, like theirs are ultimately counter productive, they may smooth the waters for a little while, but ultimately more families and children will be caught up in it.

Unless people become more politically active nothing will be done. That is the only solution.

That is also one of the reasons for the stimulus package to prevent a Republican blood bath in the fall, and to prevent a roll back of corporate privledge.

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By wedontcount, January 25, 2008 at 8:47 am Link to this comment

Once again the people who do not seem to matter much to any political group are left out of the Stimulus package. If any other group struggles in this country it is the disabled,retired and the destitute. People who can not help their situation, and are struggling just to live from month to month or week to week. Those who walk in to their kitchens and wonder what they are going to fix their children to eat for supper, they have been left out. I suppose those individuals who draw social securtiy and recieve foodstamps are not as bad off as someone who really needs the money like the middle class. As one who is not middle class and STRUGGLES and lets face it, is just down right poor, I could use the money! I could have used the increase in food stamps. But I suppose those in Washington think that someone like me doesnt vote because I suppose that they belive all poor people are just too ignorant to care about what goes on in the country, but guess what I am not ignorant, I do vote and I am tired of the neediest people in this country getting left out in the cold. Sometimes literally! I mean if the middle class is struggling, how do they think the lower class is coming along? After all we dont have forclosures to worry about, cause we cant afford to buy homes in the first place. No, we have to pay rent and get evicted if one of our children gets sick and we have to be out of work with them, then thats rent money gone! What Washington REALLY needs instead of a bunch of lawyers and politicians running the country, we need a woman or man WHO REALLY is OF THE PEOPLE… cause lets fact it, there really isnt any one in Washington now who knows what its like for thier children to go to bed hungry and cold. But guess what I know hundreds that do.

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By Louise, January 25, 2008 at 8:03 am Link to this comment

Oh cyrena, thanks!
I needed a good laugh this morning. smile

“I bet Hillary WILL keep her warmonging word. I’ve never doubted for a moment that she’ll keep her word on maintaining the military industrial complex, at the expense of all life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness – world wide. She’s never lied about that.”

“And, she’s surely not gonna turn her back on AIPAC, and she’s never said that she would.”

“I bet Hillary get’s her pass before the REST of the boys.”

“Anyway, I don’t think Dick Bush will veto this. It’s just another gift to his friends. (and Nancy’s)”

[That would be based on the assumption Bush and his favorite Dick are really some sort of normal. But since this “great” nation really needs a few hundred bucks in everybody’s hands for a few seconds to get the mighty ship of state back on course, (for a few seconds) you may be right!]

“But I’ll tell ya, if Nancy doesn’t cool it on that botox, her eyeballs are gonna fall out, and her ears are gonna be sitting on top of her scalp like little horns. Not that it matters I guess…”

***

Oh my goodness, sometimes I feel such deep quiet pain. The disappointment I mean. I once held this woman in such high regard.

Recognizing she cant single-handedly stop the landing on the bottom. But that “off the table” from day one placed her squarely in the drivers seat. And all the proud boasting about the dems various bills to turn things around [which have all been VETOED] and all the postulating about the “bad” war amount to nothing in the face of reality. How come she cant understand that? And now a few dribs [cant really call them dollars anymore ... since their value has dropped to ... well dribs] will not really cushion the landing at the bottom.

The mess we are in was created deliberately by the repubs and the Bush administration, and by misguided if not deliberate action by the dems. Thanks to bad leadership in the Democrat Party, we now share ownership of that mess. And thanks to said bad leadership, the repubs [who cant remember anything for more than a few months anyway] will blame the dems for everything.

So far, in my lifetime anyway, this has been history.

ARGHHHH!

Now about Hillary.

How likely is it that Hillary will be selected as new emperor?

Iraq and GWOT are symptoms of empire. And this particular empire looks a lot like fascism. And based on the assumption that our particular version of fascism is the ultimate outcome of Oligarchy, one cant help but think of the Reich. One, Two and Three.

Well, lets go all the way back to the First Reich - 800 AD - 1806 AD. And the Second Reich - 1870 AD - 1919 AD. And the Third Reich - 1933 AD -1945 AD. And ask the following question. When in history has the Reich had a female Emperor?

Never!

It aint gonna happen!

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By cyrena, January 25, 2008 at 3:44 am Link to this comment

•  Reminds me, one more reason why I wont vote for Hillary. A woman in office doesn’t mean squat if she cant keep her word!
Well now Louise,
This is only a tiny reason not to vote for her. We should consider all of the lies to date…which of course would be numerous. And then we can get into the big stuff, where I bet Hillary WILL keep her warmonging word. I’ve never doubted for a moment that she’ll keep her word on maintaining the military industrial complex, at the expense of all life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness – world wide. She’s never lied about that.
And, she’s surely not gonna turn her back on AIPAC, and she’s never said that she would. The Israelis have already selected her to be our next president. I wonder how many electoral votes they get? Let’s see…population-wise, they’re probably the smallest state..(now that’s just a guess with their 7 million, because I couldn’t swear to it). But, I bet they’ve got at least 108 electoral votes. So, AIPAC and Israel aren’t gonna let her down.
Now I’m curious about something. Why aren’t the Democrats aren’t allowed to campaign in Florida? Will they even have any Democrats on their ballot? Or will it be like Michigan, where they only had Hillary on the Dem ticket? Which means they had that proverbial choice of choosing between a repuglican and a repuglican. Kind of like the kind offer of, “Which glass would you like to drink your poison from, the red glass or the blue glass? It’s the same exact formula of poison, but you can decide with color glass is in your hand when you drop dead.
I swear, that’s the most bizarre shit I’ve ever heard of. Maybe it has something to do with them being on ‘punishment’ or something. I think they got their license taken away or something, maybe for ‘beating their curfew”. I remember the few times I got grounded back in the day, if I didn’t get home by the curfew time. Imagine being grounded for getting home EARLIER than the curfew. But, from what I gather, that’s what happened to Michigan. They did it too early, (like a premature election) and so they got punished. But, Hillary must have gotten a hall pass, or some other excuse to be there early. Maybe AIPAC hooked her up.
So, is that the same reason why the Dems aren’t allowed to be in Florida? Or do they just have to wait until the Repugs leave, and then they’ll get their turn? Maybe somebody will just have all of the hall passes, and hand them out at the same time, once the last repug leaves the soil. Sounds pretty sci-fi, eh? I bet Hillary get’s her pass before the rest of the boys.

Anyway, I don’t think Dick Bush will veto this. It’s just another gift to his friends. (and Nancy’s)

But I’ll tell ya, if Nancy doesn’t cool it on that botox, her eyeballs are gonna fall out, and her ears are gonna be sitting on top of her scalp like little horns. Not that it matters I guess…

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By Douglas Chalmers, January 25, 2008 at 2:49 am Link to this comment

#By G.Anderson, January 24: ”...cause I’ll be buy’in me stuff from China anyhow…”

Ha ha, GA, as most of that will be spent on manufactured essentials, at least 50% will go straight to China…....


#By Louise, January 24: “So, here we see the First Fool and the Botox Queen.  So much empty vanity; so little time.” .....A woman in office doesn’t mean squat if she cant keep her word…”

Certainly, Nancy Pelosi once again has that approving smile when she looks at GWB. But then, she was ever so keen to shake his hand when she became speaker of the house…...

Its true that she didn’t last long as a fire-breathing dragon but she is not president, either. That is not a reason to avoid voting for Hillary as she WILL be president then and that WILL be a major upset for the male-dominated Neocon/AIPAC status quo in Washington.


#By zeitgeist, January 24: ”...wads of paper in the dike become ineffective, in the retaining the massive fizzures developing around this printing press solution…”

I think you have it exactly right, zeitgeist. A printing press “raises all boats”........ but for how long???

No wonder the Fed stopped reporting M3 “money supply” figures some time back, uhh. Everbody knows…....

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By KIM, January 25, 2008 at 2:37 am Link to this comment
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After mini crash market fronm this week , europeans has te perception that our politics can’t decide nothing in economic areas. In XXI Century will be interested the europeans can participate on Us elections because it can be more effects in our lives that participate in our own.

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By G.Anderson, January 24, 2008 at 11:50 pm Link to this comment

That our gobernmnt… is givin away free money!

Sign me up fer some of that free money…

i’ve got me a lotta bills to pay….

maybe soon the gobernment will lower interst rate’s to 0%...(same as Jpan did).

But I aint really afeard that I will spend too much of that money, cause I’ll be buy’in me stuff from China anyhow…

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By GB, January 24, 2008 at 11:46 pm Link to this comment
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Be careful to read the small print on the check.
It might say “By cashing this check you agree to shut up about the lies and crimes against Americans & humanity by George Bush and Dick Cheney and the unwillingness of Nancy Pelosi to protect the Constitution and Bill of Rights”

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By truthdweller, January 24, 2008 at 11:41 pm Link to this comment

Louise,

If you’ve only got Peter and Paul to alternate between, that means you’ve got a stress free life!!

I’ve gotta juggle all twelve of ‘em.

So let’s see, it’s January, who gets to be paid first this year? Of course the rest of them are all trying to figure out how to get blood out of a turnip.

Sounds like they need a miracle worker….

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By Louise, January 24, 2008 at 11:16 pm Link to this comment

Thanks for the chuckle. I needed that!

“So, here we see the First Fool and the Botox Queen.  So much empty vanity; so little time.” smile

Reminds me, one more reason why I wont vote for Hillary. A woman in office doesn’t mean squat if she cant keep her word!

Has anybody considered this may never happen? We still have to go through the process of congress pretending to serve the people and passing some sort of bill. Then we have to wait for Bush’s signature.

Will he maintain his almost perfect record with the dems and VETO it? I mean really, who knows what the vacuum in chief will do?

Meanwhile, I’m not putting anything on hold waiting to see if I get enough money to buy my groceries in May ...

Oh, who am I kidding? Like I have anything to put on hold. Stealing from Peter to pay Paul. Or is it Peters turn to get paid this month? wink

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By Bill, January 24, 2008 at 11:10 pm Link to this comment
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I was asked what I would with “my” tax refund.

Instinctively, my thoughts first drifted to my fiancial situation:
> 46 years old, father of four, two in college, two in high school
> debt-free, because I believe in spending less than I earn (single-income household, $95k per annum)
> retirement account well funded (maxed out every year for years)

..and then it dawned on me. This isn’t my money. This money is my children’s, my grand-children’s, my great-grand-children’s….

So, split it into four parts, place it into a trust for each child, add any future “refunds” to same, and pray that it will be enough to cover their tax requirements when the bill comes due…

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By truthdweller, January 24, 2008 at 6:12 pm Link to this comment

I thought all of the same, but in reading it further, it’s not ONLY the ones you’ve mentioned, like those of us who receive these meager Social Security checks, (due retirement or disability) and ONLY because we paid into the system for years. In reality, it’s ANYBODY who has been unemployed for over a year.

Now, how many people might that be? They’re allowing anyone who earned less than 3,000 LAST year, to still collect $300.00 (very generous eh?) but if you were unemployed prior to that, (again, let’s look at the real statistics there, since millions have been unemployed since the so-called ‘first’ recession in 2001) so they’re just SOL.

On the other hand, this obviously was not INTENDED to help those who’ve already bottomed out. It’s only intended to ‘stimulate’ spending. So, if you give the average now homeless and/or hungry person $300.00, or even $1,200.00 do we really believe they’re likely to go to walmart and buy a new Ipod?

Nope, nope, nope. It wasn’t intended to help anybody that might be struggling to survive, because they aren’t even on the radar. If THAT was the plan, then they’d have extended the unemployment benefits, or the food stamps. Like, that would have assisted people trying to survive.

But hey, they’ve been off the radar for too long…not even in the ‘stats’ that make this whole thing look so wonderful…right at election time. Besides, how much can the homeless, hungry, and unemployed actually ‘contribute’ to the spending? Well, maybe it they threw in a bus pass, marked one-way to Wal-mart only.

Nope, nope, nope…We don’t count. Nevermind those thousands you paid in when you actually DID have a job. That’s long gone. Laundered that through the sands of Iraq and the blood of our troops long ago. Now they’er looking for major bail-outs from more foreigners…at least for the big money.

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By Jeanine Molloff, January 24, 2008 at 5:11 pm Link to this comment
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As usual, too little—too late.  I suppose the idiot-in-chief will admonish us to do our patriotic duty and rush to WalMart to shop!  So, here we see the First Fool and the Botox Queen.  So much empty vanity; so little time. 

Here’s a new thought—RESTORE THE BILL OF RIGHTS.  IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST—THEN SHRUB.  PROSECUTE CHENEY, BUSH AND MEMBERS OF CONGRESS REFUSING TO RESTORE OUR RIGHTS BOTH HERE FOR TREASON AND IN THE HAGUE FOR WAR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.  Careful Nancy, you might pop a suture and lose your entire face.  (Sorry, but I couldn’t resist venting on a rich woman who lacks any patriotism regarding our rights.)

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By purplewolf, January 24, 2008 at 4:02 pm Link to this comment

What about those who at one time were able to work and thus pay income taxes. Many are now at the bottom of the income level in this country and in many cases their income is to low to pay income taxes, but they still have property taxes in some cases and don’t forget all thosae other taxes not thougt of all the time like sales tax and all those other hidden taxes on the phone and utility bills, yet they are still in dire need of any $$ help for bill and food money. People who live on Social Security and Disability who barely get by, and in many cases are falling behind, will be left out as usual. Where this money could actually help them heat their houses or buy their over priced medicine, this administration still sweeps under the rug, out-of-sight.

Some people will say they don’t pay income tax so they should not be included. But for those who think like that, take the time to think. These people in many cases worked and paid into a system until they were no longer able to work or retired, many served in this war that Bush decided to create and now due to injuries recieved in that war can no longer earn a living. It just doesn’t seem right to ignore those who also deserve this meager reward doled out by the government.

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By waxman, January 24, 2008 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment

THE 1200 DOLLARS IS FOR THE BIG BOYS, PEOPLE WITH OUTDOOR PLUMBING GET THE 300 DOLLARS, MAYBE….WHAT A JOKE….BAD JONE AT THAT…

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, January 24, 2008 at 2:52 pm Link to this comment

Do you know how much $1200 is to 99% of the aristocracy in D.C.?

An ort. 

This is scandalous.

They have screwed us for two terms, and now, at the height of the campaign season, they hope to distract us from their bungling by throwing us this ort. 

I have two words for all of them and the second one is “you.”

However, could you get the ort out to me ASAP?  My Honda needs “B” maintenance and a timing belt.

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By amunaor, January 24, 2008 at 2:19 pm Link to this comment

WOW!!! $1200!!! but, I need another $2500 in order to purchase a descent 42 Panasonic flat screen.

I wonder how long this placebo will last, before Johnny’s wads of paper in the dike become ineffective, in the retaining the massive fizzures developing around this printing press solution?

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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