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Tens of thousands of Palestinians flooded from a blockaded Gaza into Egypt on Wednesday after militants blew a gap in the border wall. Egyptian authorities stood by as the mob rushed to stock up on food and other supplies. Israel has raised concerns and appealed to Egypt to get control of the situation.


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Gazans rushed to buy food, fuel and other supplies that have become scarce because of an Israeli blockade—aimed at stopping rocket attacks from Gaza.

Egyptian police have so far taken no action to stop people crossing.

Israel has expressed concern at the events at the border and has urged Egypt to restore security there.

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By Howard, January 25, 2008 at 7:33 am Link to this comment

your address;  arrange a few missles and rockets to improve YOUR day…..see how ya’ like that, man !

Give you an idea of what the citizens of Sderot have been putting up with since Israel left Gaza.

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By Douglas Chalmers, January 25, 2008 at 2:14 am Link to this comment

By Howard, January 24: ” Reduced fuel for 18 hours?  Merely sending a message…”

Just fill in your details below and Truthdig can kindly arrange for the local authorities to disconnect your power and water so that you finally get the message, uhh…..

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By amunaor, January 24, 2008 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment

Chris Herz,

Ronnie did no such thing, it’s all a myth. Please watch the following series of BBC documentries.

Essential BBC documentaries not shown on US TV

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/22/212041/57/454/425671

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By amunaor, January 24, 2008 at 1:19 pm Link to this comment

<<This sounds awfully like something which will be instantly re-interpreted by Israel to justify any unilateral action it now wants to take.>>

Douglas, as you pointed out elsewhere; the ‘Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty’ has simply become a mechanism for cornering the uranium market as oil pools become depleted.

Of course, this does not diminish cause to fear the unthinkable, given the skittish psychological atmosphere into which these ‘new rules’ are being injected into, and their potential for abuse in asserting ones ego.

The ‘FEAR’ of nuclear proliferation, in a sense, is deceptively intended to incite worry and project that concern into the public mind. The thinking is that everyone else should be equally suspect in wishing to incinerate a population in the same manner in which the Americans did with those of Nagasaki and Hiroshima; rather than the ‘incomprehensible’, lofty notion others may not be so criminally insane and wish only to elevate the human condition from the slavery of the elements.

But, fear always rules the day!

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By Howard, January 24, 2008 at 11:38 am Link to this comment

Good try….but they were not being ’ starved ’ to death, by any standard of judgement. Reduced fuel for 18 hours?  Merely sending a message. Non lethal variety of message.  Trying to get Hamas authorities to stop letting rockets and missiles, the lethal kind, rain down on Sderot.

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By Howard, January 24, 2008 at 10:20 am Link to this comment

Good going, Egypt.  I hope they now help the Gazan citizens get started having a cool political, economical, educational, social ,industrial state. Lord no knows no other arab country even with all their oil money has ever helped.

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By Douglas Chalmers, January 24, 2008 at 10:01 am Link to this comment

Israel is all a-panic. Good - #By Non Credo, January 24: ”...liberal ideals are no longer compatible with support for Israel, unless Israel changes pretty fundamentally — and that’s very unlikely to happen…”

Its not good,  Non Credo, because something else also happened this week and it means that the global nuclear first-strike scenario has now changed for the worse:-

“Pre-Emptive Nuclear Strike a Key Option, NATO Told”...... http://www.guardian.co.uk/nato/story/0,,2244782,00.html

”....By insisting on “special rules” for its forces in Afghanistan, the Merkel government in Berlin was contributing to “the dissolution of NATO”.

.....“This report means that the core of the NATO establishment is saying we’re in trouble, that the west is adrift and not facing up to the challenges.”

.....Inge argued that “to tie our hands on first use or no first use removes a huge plank of deterrence”.

.....“Maybe we are going to use nuclear weapons before anyone else, but I’d be wary of saying it out loud.”

.....NATO needed to “rethink its nuclear posture because the nuclear non-proliferation regime is under enormous pressure”.

.....“Proliferation is spreading and we have not too many options to stop it. We don’t know how to deal with this.”

.....NATO needed to show “there is a big stick that we might have to use if there is no other option”.....”


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This sounds awfully like something which will be instantly re-interpreted by Israel to justify any unilateral action it now wants to take.

Where does that take us? Bombing Syria? Beirut? Amman? Given this week’s events, it could lead to re-starting a war with Egypt.

Inevitably, it will mean that Iran and Teheran are under direct threat from Israel now. Bush won’t have to do a thing!!!!

Sadly, it also means that Neocon puppet states like France and Britain can deploy their nuclear-armed submarines with the full expectation of being able to use their missiles, uhh!!!

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By Liza, January 24, 2008 at 8:22 am Link to this comment

I think it is great that some of you have taken the time to contradict the right wing nutter pro-Israel Truthdig commenters.

Independent media certainly is a problem for them, especially here on Truthdig where Chris Hedges has become one of the very articulate and educated voices speaking out against US/Israel foreign policy.

Quite frankly, the documentation against Israel is so overwhelming at this point that I find it a waste of time to converse with these people (and we all know who they are.)

Apparently, they think that the rest of us can’t read.  Their case, at this point, is something along the lines of “liar,liar pants on fire.”  That is all they have.

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By Liza, January 24, 2008 at 8:11 am Link to this comment

lilmamzer,
The Palestinians are the ones who are threatened, caged, starved, and murdered under a BRUTAL ISRAELI 40 YEAR OCCUPATION and even some before that.

All YOU do is insult every reader on Truthdig by assuming we are stupid and can’t read for ourselves.

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By Ostrogoth, January 24, 2008 at 6:38 am Link to this comment

Cease and desist with the racist propaganda, Howard. Here’s a preliminary response, since unlike you, I can’t spend all day trolling this forum and have to leave. Should I trust the research of Walt and Mearsheimer, which has never been credibly challenged, or the research of someone like you, a professional apologist for Zionist ethnic cleansers, who makes statements like the following:

“Stop blaming the Israelis who would love to help them.” January 22 at 11:48 am (“The Lessons of Violence,” in reference to the collective punishment of Gazans by Israel)

“There are no illegal settlements. The land is not occupied.” January 23 at 8:19 pm (“Gaza Refugees Storm Egypt,” in reference to Israeli ethnic cleansing in the West Bank)

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By Howard, January 24, 2008 at 5:09 am Link to this comment

RE: By Ostrogoth, January 24 at 12:44 am #
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Walt & Mersheimer are quite inaccurate.

In 1948 the partition plan of the U.N. set up a state for Israel and one for the Arab state to settle the conflicting claims that existed then much more than now.

These boundaries were based solely on demographics. The borders of the Jewish State were arranged with no consideration of security; hence, the new state’s frontiers were virtually indefensible. Overall, the Jewish State was to be comprised of roughly 5,500 square miles and the population was to be 538,000 Jews and 397,000 Arabs. The Arab State was to be 4,500 square miles with a population of 804,000 Arabs and 10,000 Jews. Though the Jews were allotted more total land, the majority of that land was in the desert.

Further complicating the situation was the UN majority’s insistence that Jerusalem remain apart from both states and be administered as an international zone. This arrangement left more than 100,000 Jews in Jerusalem isolated from their country and circumscribed by the Arab state.

Critics claim the UN gave the Jews fertile land while the Arabs were allotted hilly, arid land. This is untrue. Approximately 60 percent of the Jewish state was to be the arid desert in the Negev.

The Arabs constituted a majority of the population in Palestine as a whole — 1.2 million Arabs versus 600,000 Jews. The Jews never had a chance of reaching a majority in the country given the restrictive immigration policy of the British. By contrast, the Arabs were free to come — and thousands did — to take advantage of the rapid development stimulated by Zionist settlement. Still, the Jews were a majority in the area allotted to them by the resolution and in Jerusalem.

In addition to roughly 600,000 Jews, 350,000 Arabs resided in the Jewish state created by partition. Approximately 92,000 Arabs lived in Tiberias, Safed, Haifa and Bet Shean, and another 40,000 were Bedouins, most of whom were living in the desert. The remainder of the Arab population was spread throughout the Jewish state and occupied most of the agricultural land.

According to British statistics, more than 70% of the land in what would become Israel was not owned by Arab farmers, it belonged to the mandatory government. Those lands reverted to Israeli control after the departure of the British. Nearly 9% of the land was owned by Jews and about 3% by Arabs who became citizens of Israel. That means only about 18% belonged to Arabs who left the country before and after the Arab invasion of Israel.

Irael celebrates its 60th birthday and the Pal’s could be having one of their own if they had accepted the intrnational community’s jusdgemetn that the JUST SOLUTION to the conflicting claims of Jews and Arabs in Palestine/Israel ws the extablishment of two states.  Instead the Arabs decided they would NOT accept or recognize a Jewsih state in their midst and sought to destroy it.  As we saw during the conference convened in Annapolis last Nov., not much has changed.

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By Ostrogoth, January 24, 2008 at 1:44 am Link to this comment

Howard, in response to your gross misrepresentation that Israel was not created out of Palestinian lands, take a look at the following passages from Walt and Mearsheimer’s “The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy”:

“In 1948, when Israel was founded, its 650,000 Jews were only about 35 percent of Palestine’s population and they owned only 7 percent of its land.” (p. 92)

“...expulsion was a frequent topic of conversation among Zionists since the earliest days of the movement, and it was widely recognized as the only realistic way to solve the demographic problem that stood in the way of creating a Jewish state. Ben-Gurion saw the problem clearly, writing in 1941 that ‘it is impossible to imagine general evacuation [of the Arab population] without compulsion, and brutal compulsion.’” (p. 95)

“The opportunity to expel the Palestinians and create a Jewish state came in 1948, when Jewish forces drove up to seven hundred thousand Palestinians into exile. Israelis and their supporters in the United States long claimed that the Arabs fled because their leaders told them to, but scholars have demolished this myth. In fact, most Arab leaders urged the Palestinian population to stay home, but fear of violent death at the hands of Zionist forces led most of them to flee. After the war, Israel barred the return of the Palestinian exiles. As Ben-Gurion put it in June 1948, ‘We must prevent at all costs their return.’ By 1962, Israel owned almost 93 percent of the land inside its borders. To achieve this outcome, 531 Arab villages were destroyed ‘and eleven urban neighborhoods emptied of their inhabitants.’ Former Israeli Defense minister Moshe Dayan captures the catastrophe that the Zionists inflicted on the Palestinians to create the state of Israel: ‘Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either…There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.” (pp. 95-96)

In response to the rest of the racist propaganda in your post, such as: “There are no illegal settlements. The land is not occupied,” I’m just wondering why you and lilmamzer are trying so hard to spread your vicious lies on this forum. Don’t you have anything better to do with your time than give aid and comfort to Zionist ethnic cleansers? Thanks, good buddy.

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By Douglas Chalmers, January 24, 2008 at 12:53 am Link to this comment

Tear down that wall Mr Olmert! #By Chris Herz, January 23: ”...kudos to Egypt (and it is all to rare that we may offer them such congratulations) for their bravery in defying Israel and the USA in allowing the Palestinians to purchase emergency supplies…”

Born to shop!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TocjkugWEEc

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By Howard, January 23, 2008 at 9:19 pm Link to this comment

RE:By Liza, January 23 at 3:03 pm #
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Some of the comments made need correction:

The State of Israel was creaed in a peaceful and legal process by the United Nations.  It was not created out of Palestinian lands. So your first statement you copied from that site is very wrong. It was created out of the Ottoman empire, ruled for four hundred years by the Turks who lost it when they were defeated in World War I. There were no “Palestinian ” lands at the time beause there were no people claiming to be palestinians.  There wer arabs who lived in the region of Palestine who considered themselves Syrians. It was only after World War I that the present states of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq were also created—and created artificially out of the Turkis Empire by the British and French victors. Jordan was created on about 80 percent of the Palestine Mandate, which was originally designated by the League of Nations as prt of th Jewish homeland.  Since then, Jews have been prohibited from owning property there.  Two-thirds of its citizens are Palestine Arabs, but it is ruled by a Hashemite monarchy.

In 1947, the UN partition plan mandated the creation of two stateson the remaining 20 percent of the Palestine Mandate: the State of Israel for the Jews, and another state for the Arabs.  The Arabs rejected their state, and launched a war against Israel. This is the primal cause of the Arab refugee problem.

Any bulldozers you mention are destroying houses of those who have committed arocities on Israeli citizens. Thousands of Gazan people worked in Israel until recently, but Hamas shelled the transfer areas so checkpoints were established. Hamas hurt their own people that way. Wanted Shiria law for all. Many hundreds of Gazans are allowed to enter Israel for hospital treatment.  A wall was built in the disputed West Bank to stop the suicide bombers.  Seems to have worked. Ya’ know.  Good fences make good neighbors. There are no illegal settlements. The land is not occupied. Certainly open for negotiation. Jordan had the West Bank for 20 years. Not a word then about it being anyone elses land. Then they lost it when they attacked Israel.Israeli soldiers do not shoot down children in the streets any more than our soldiers in Iraq do.

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By P. T., January 23, 2008 at 7:47 pm Link to this comment

Palestinians have a right to defend themselves.

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By jbart, January 23, 2008 at 6:49 pm Link to this comment
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Howard,
You attempt to provide a rationale for the actions occurring in Gaza as justified.  Isn’t your argument just “conduct genocide on them before they do so to us”? This isn’t “they throw a rock, we throw a rock back”.  It’s more like “they throw a rock (and the weaponry they are attempting to use is, basically” a rock) and we throw state-of-the-art gunships and missiles (Israel’s version of a “rock”?) back.  But this new strategy, genocide, cannot be truly rationalized in any forum.  Regardless of who participates in such a discussion.  It is, quite simple, crimes against humanity. Genocide, as an act, cannot be justified or explained in any way, shape or form.

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By Liza, January 23, 2008 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment

There is so much documented on what Israel is doing in Gaza to the Palestinians that I wonder if you people who defend Israel think that the rest of us can’t read. 

It isn’t even an argument anymore.  So, right wing nut Israel supporters, why don’t you just go away and figure out how you’re going to stop people in America from reading anything you haven’t had an opportunity to censor?  Independent media is a huge problem for you isn’t it?

From a piece called “Bringing Death and Destruction to Muslims” by Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=12224

““The facts differ remarkably from Israel Lobby propaganda. Israel illegally occupies Palestine. Israel sends bulldozers into Palestinian villages and knocks down Palestinian houses, occasionally killing an American protester in the process, and uproots Palestinian olive groves. Israel cuts Palestinian villages off from water, hospitals, farmlands, employment and schools. Israel builds special roads through Palestine on which only Israelis can travel. Israel establishes checkpoints everywhere to hinder Palestinian movement to hospitals, schools and from one enclave or ghetto to another. Many Palestinians die from the inability to get through checkpoints to medical care. ISRAEL BUILDS ILLEGAL SETTLEMENTS ON PALESTINIAN LANDS.  Israeli Zionist “settlers” take it upon themselves to evict Palestinians from their villages and towns in order to convert them into Israeli settlements. A huge wall has been built to wall off the stolen Palestinian lands from the remaining isolated ghettoes. Israeli soldiers shoot down Palestinian children in the streets. So do Israeli Zionist “settlers.””  End Quote

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By lilmamzer, January 23, 2008 at 3:53 pm Link to this comment

Liza writes:

” Israel needs “defensible borders” blah blah and Israel has “the right to defend itself” blah blah. “

Why don’t they?

Please construct a rational, fact-based argument why Israel (or any sovereign nation) shouldn’t have the right to defend itself.

Do you, Liza, reserve the right to defend yourself should you find yourself threatened? Of course you do. Why deny that right to Israelis? Because they are mostly Jews? Are Jews in your opinion not deserving of self-determination?

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By Chris Herz, January 23, 2008 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment
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Years ago President Ronald Reagan, speaking in Berlin, challenged Soviet President Gorbachev to “tear down that wall.”

Just like the East Germans, the Palestinians finally took the matter into their own hands.  Of course the diffenence is in the eye of the beholder.  The East Germans are good white Europeans.  The Palestinians are dark-complected middle easterners. 

The East German rebels were freedom fighters, the Palestinians merely Hamas “gunmen” according to the Associated Press.

But both delivered their people from an impossible situation.

And by the way, kudos to Egypt (and it is all to rare that we may offer them such congratulations) for their bravery in defying Israel and the USA in allowing the Palestinians to purchase emergency supplies.

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By lilmamzer, January 23, 2008 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

Same difference.

Let them become Mubarak’s problem.

Gaza Delenda Est

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By Howard, January 23, 2008 at 3:31 pm Link to this comment

If the rockets and missles are not sent into the homes and schools on the Israel side, perhaps Gazans can begin to have a normal country now. Israel is not occupying them. They left. Quite a while ago.  Even left them a larggoing industrial farms, buildings and extensive and expensive greenhouses.  All destroyed by Hamas.  Imagine.

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By Liza, January 23, 2008 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment

The genocide that matters is the one that is happening right now.  What Israel is doing to the Palestinians is a crime against humanity.  Gaza is just a prison without a roof and the jailer wants the inmates dead. 

Israel needs “defensible borders” blah blah and Israel has “the right to defend itself” blah blah. 

As Americans, we allow the Israel Lobby to have a stranglehold on a foreign policy that is helping to fuel our upcoming recession but ultimately makes complicit murderers of all of us.  That’s really the bottom line.

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By Robert, January 23, 2008 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment

1/23/08
Ben-Gurion said that anyone who approaches the Zionist problem from a moral aspect, he is not a Zionist.”—Moshe Dayan, Sept.‘67
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They neither see nor remember

By Amira Hass

“The security establishment was quick on Monday to boast of the success of its tactic of escalation against Gaza: Look, the number of Qassams declined. By the time these lines are published, the security establishment may spin another logical axiom: Since we renewed the supply of diesel fuel on a one-time basis, the Palestinians have gone back to firing Qassams. The conclusion: Continue the escalation. The logic of escalation is the middle name of the current defense minister, Barak, and many Israelis are adopting it.

Barak was prime minister in Sept. 2000, when the Israel Defense Forces responded with escalation to popular demonstrations against the Israeli occupier and to the throwing of stones: lethal fire against civilians, among them many children. Not surprisingly, the Palestinians did not understand the lesson and turned to escalation tactics of their own. That is how we reached the point where we are now - homemade rockets of all kinds, which become even developed, the more Israel escalates its punishment measures in response to them.

Books, articles and one or 2 films have have already discussed the foolishness of the tactic of escalation. But that does not matter to those who support the application of more and more pressure on the 1.5 million residents of the Strip. This shows that they - like their defense minister and the rest of the political leadership - are suffering from four failings: amnesia, shortsightedness, disorientation and learning disabilities.

Amnesia allows exponents of this position to ponder the ostensibly welcome results of the escalation for a period of time ranging from days to months. Israelis forget the deadly Israeli attack that preceded the last Qassam barrage. And because they do not connect today’s Qassams to those killed at the beginning of the intifada, that is, to the steps of escalation that the army took seven years ago, they cannot imagine what the result will be of the interruption to the water supply due to the power cuts; the collapse of the sewerage system; the insult inherent in dealing only with food and the cold. Because of amnesia, Israelis do not think about the future: about the Palestinian, all-Muslim, all-Arab attitudes and positions that are being formulated at this very moment, which will end up shattering any temporary calm.

The shortsightedness of those who support escalation allows them to watch television broadcasts from Gaza - of children crying and spokesmen pleading or raging - and feel these are signs that the current escalation is working. They do not see beyond the screen. They do not see the mutual help, the resourcefulness and the humor people are showing, the stubborness and the political and popular pressure on their Egyptian neighbor.

Disorientation causes supporters of escalation to believe that Gaza is really a separate geographic and demographic region, that it does not not belong, that the fate of its inhabitants means nothing to Palestinians in other areas. Disorientation causes Israelis to relate to the Green Line and treat it as sacred only when Palestinians cross it and strike at them. They forget that they - that is, we Israelis - are crossing the Green Line at any given moment: with settlements and gunfire and separate roads, shelling and bombardment and military orders. And this began long before any Palestinians learned how to manufacture Qassams.”

“Those who champion escalation ignore the fact that hermetic closure of all crossings into Gaza reminds the world what it loves to forget: Israel is the occupier. The aggressor. The learning disabled and the short-sighted do not see the moral - and not just security - bankruptcy of the escalation policy.”

http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2008/01/learning-disabled-and-short-sighted-do.html

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By Geeesssuusss, January 23, 2008 at 1:39 pm Link to this comment
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Regardless of your comments Harold, the contemporary story of Israel is cleared by long time U of Chicago Professor Finkelstein. Here, like so many realistic Jews, this man has not been egotistically bought by the argument that Jewish people the world over have a right to establish the nation of Israel.

I ask you only look at the Israeli mainstream to see the vast difference between them and the surrounding peoples of the Region….and while your at it, look at South Africa for similar contrasts, and there in lies the truth.. that religious propaganda is an argument so powerful that people value it over truth.


Hypothetically, imagine christianity began in South Africa 2000 years ago among the people of that region…What would modern indigenous South Africans, who are no longer majority Christian but have adopted other religions over the centuries, say to white Christian dutchmen who claim that since that land was once the birthplace and controlled by christians, all christians have the right to return and recreate that land that had dissolved 1500 years ago? It wouldn’t be very nice would it?  Now imagine, the most powerful nations in the world backed this claim..consider the repercussions, and now look at the world.

Once humanity awakes to this glaring lesson that is symbolic of other similar propagandistic realities obscuring what is more real, than perhaps we can begin meaningful dialogue. However, what you have are arab leaders that are themselves enmeshed in their own propaganda, perceive the Israeli people as promulgating this propaganda…

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By P. T., January 23, 2008 at 1:23 pm Link to this comment

To see praise for Norman Finkelstein’s book, click http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/content.php?pg=4

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By Louise, January 23, 2008 at 1:19 pm Link to this comment

Ooops!

Sorry about that!
I meant ...

Howard, your source?
And please no echos smile

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By Louise, January 23, 2008 at 1:16 pm Link to this comment

Blackspeare, your source?

And please, no echos!

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By P. T., January 23, 2008 at 1:03 pm Link to this comment

Finkelstein doesn’t just make claims.  He gives sources for what he says.  Read him and learn something.

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By P. T., January 23, 2008 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment

The plan was that starving Gazans would overthrow Hamas—not that they would rush across the border.  Back to the drawing board!

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By Howard, January 23, 2008 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment

Check any textbook of quality in history. If you’re going to rewrite the history of 1948, or 1967 or the thouands of rockets that have been fired into Israel during the last 18 months, then you might as well deny WWII.

Finkelstein has no credentials and is not taken seriously by any historian.

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By LibertyWatch, January 23, 2008 at 12:23 pm Link to this comment
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Olmert states Israel will not allow a humanitarian crisis. . . I say they have created the disastrous humanitarian crisis we call Gaza!

To paraphrase Gandhi “An eye for an eye makes for a blind world!”

PEACE means learning to live together!

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By P. T., January 23, 2008 at 11:52 am Link to this comment

Blackspeare, your source?

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By P. T., January 23, 2008 at 11:50 am Link to this comment

Howard, your “source” is a joke.  There is not a citation for any claim that is made.  For some real history, click http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=999

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By Howard, January 23, 2008 at 11:20 am Link to this comment

Any quality history booki is accurate.
here is summary ...

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/1248

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By Blackspeare, January 23, 2008 at 11:11 am Link to this comment

One thing common to West Bank Palestinans and Israelis is that there is no love lost for the Gazans.  With only a short distance between Gaza and the West Bank it may as well be an abyss for the West Bank Palestinians have developed a disdain for their counterparts in Gaza and that was long before Hamas took over.  I guess you could say it is the economy——the West Bank population does relatively well, the Gazans do poorly. Thanks to Israel, Gazans have been held virtual prisoners in the world’s largest open air prison.  Improbable as it may seem, Gaza is the ace in the hole for both sides to suspend negotiations on any agreement which neither side desires at this time.

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By P. T., January 23, 2008 at 10:37 am Link to this comment

Imagine Gazans obtaining food—outrageous!  wink

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By P. T., January 23, 2008 at 10:32 am Link to this comment

Howard, LOL Your source?

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By Howard, January 23, 2008 at 10:04 am Link to this comment

Why, yes,  its been an attempted genocide from the start. In 1948, acknowledged by the United Nations and the civilized community of nations, Israel became a recognized and sovereign state. 

Immediately the five armies of Egypt, Syria, Transjordan (which was named Jordan one year later, in 1949), Lebanon and Iraq invaded the fledging country. The intent of these Arab states toward the tiny new State of Israel was openly genocidal.  The Secretary-General of the Arab League stated plainly and celebrated all over the Arab world : ” This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre, which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades.”

Let us listen to the following.  For all believing Muslims, according to both Hamas and the Palestinian National Authority,  “....peace with Israel was and still remains nothing less than a poison threatening the life-blood for Islam… The Prophet is said to have predicted a final war to annihilate the Jews.  Muhammad had stated: The hour(salvation)will not come until you fight against the Jews; and the stone would say, O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; come and kill him. “

Arab/Islamic plans for genocida extermination of Israel have never been kept secret, perhaps because these plans don’t really disturb the rest of the world. Few seem to recall that, prior to 1967,—when all Arabs were already screaming for Isrel’s “annihilaton” and “liquidation”—there were no “Palestinian territories” under Israeli control. Exactly WHAT was the PLO and the Arab world in general seeking to “liberate” between 1948 and 1967 when Gaza was held illegally by Egypt and Judea/Samaria (West Bank) by Jordan ?

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By P. T., January 23, 2008 at 10:01 am Link to this comment

I wonder what the stooge Mubarak is thinking now—Bush and Olmert too.  smile

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By Louise, January 23, 2008 at 7:01 am Link to this comment

“Israel has expressed concern at the events at the border and has urged Egypt to restore security there.”
________

Israeli foreign ministry spokesman Arye Mekel to Egypt’s President Hosni Mubarak:

“How dare you interfere with our genocide!”

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By Douglas Chalmers, January 23, 2008 at 6:17 am Link to this comment

Wahhh!!! The wall is finally down, eh….....

Looks like Egypt’s president Hosni Mubarak has had no alternative but to accept the flood of refugees and, possibly, has stage-managed the demolition by his own forces to be able to provide immediate aid and relief in the short term…....

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak said that he had ordered his troops to allow the Palestinians to cross into Egypt from the Gaza Strip because they were starving.

Mubarak told reporters at the Cairo International Book fair that when Palestinians began breaking through border in force, he told his men to let them in to buy food before escorting them out.

Here’s another pic with the AP original story http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=4175115

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