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Clinton Gets Negative About Negativity

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Posted on Jan 23, 2008
Bill Clinton
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On the same day that the Clinton campaign premiered a new attack ad in South Carolina, former President Bill Clinton tried to blame the Obama campaign and the media for heating up the rhetoric. Bill has been dispatched to South Carolina to hold the line against Obama while Hillary shores up support around the country.


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The former president has attacked Obama in recent days, accusing him of overstating his opposition to the Iraq war, complaining about Obama’s union supporters in the Nevada caucuses last weekend and blasting his remarks on former President Reagan in a newspaper interview.

Clinton on Wednesday tried to distance himself from the attacks, telling a CNN correspondent that the rhetoric was “crazy” and “getting a little carried away.”

“What [the news media] care about is this, and the Obama people know that. So they just spin you up on this and you happily go along. I mean, the people don’t care about this,” he added.

“They never ask about it, and you are determined to take this election away from them, and that’s not right. That is not right. This election ought to belong to those people who are out here asking questions about their lives.”

But earlier in the day, the Clinton campaign launched a radio ad in South Carolina that takes another jab at Obama, highlighting some of his recent comments on the Republican Party.

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By Maani, January 26, 2008 at 10:03 am Link to this comment

Cyrena:

I admit that I probably should have noted exactly which “Rice” I was referring to; it simply did not even cross my mind that Condi might be thought of here, given that current administration officials are BARRED from advising active candidates for office (or didn’t you know that?).

That said, once again, your accusation that I have “zero credibility” in toto is not only absurd given responses I have received from others, but is TRULY the pot calling the kettle black since you lost all of YOUR credibility (at least with me, and possibly with others) when you claimed TWICE that Paul Krugman was not an economist.  I have now replied to this FOUR times and you have yet to admit your error.  In case you missed the other three:

“Paul Krugman is a professor of economics and international affairs at Princeton University. He is also an author and a columnist for The New York Times, writing a twice-weekly op-ed for the newspaper since 2000.  Krugman is well known in academia for his work in trade theory, which provides a model in which firms and countries produce and trade because of economies of scale and for his textbook explanations of currency crises and New Trade Theory.  Krugman majored in economics as an undergraduate at Yale University. He earned a Ph.D. from MIT in 1977 and taught at Yale, MIT, UC Berkeley, the London School of Economics, and Stanford University before joining the faculty of Princeton University, where he has been since 2000. From 1982 to 1983, he spent a year working at the Reagan White House as a staff member of the Council of Economic Advisers.”

Once again, you only prove your own lack of credibility, insistence of being right, and disdain for anyone you disagree with.

Peace.

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By cyrena, January 26, 2008 at 7:14 am Link to this comment

Indeed outraged, the Sunday comics is where you’ll find the enlightenment. I try never to miss them.

Now of course we can hustle up some comics right here as well, in case you do have to miss a Sunday version from time to time. Or…if you just need to supplement them.

But Bill here? Nope, he’s not a damn bit funny, or enlightening.

Now that’s not to say that he hasn’t EVER been, because I’ve actually been in audiences where he’s spoken, many years ago. And, I was THEN, very impressed with his intelligence. (and I DO believe him to be a very smart person.)

And, maybe he still his. But, so was Ted Bundy.

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By cyrena, January 26, 2008 at 2:58 am Link to this comment

Maani,
You don’t necessarily need to ‘get out more’ (since I really don’t know how big your cage is anyway, and it could be dangerous to other living beings if you did). BUT, you should learn to read…even if it’s only the stuff that you write yourself.
Here is what you wrote:

By Maani, January 23 at 8:37 pm #

Re: About now might be a good time to hear from Molly.
“Louise:
I never thought you would stoop this low.  To quote an article from January 2006 by a woman who died a year later - and who had pulled back from her “absolute stand” in that article before she died.  Thus, you do not know for a fact that Ivins would not have been supporting Hillary now.  To suggest otherwise is outrageously dishonest.”

We DON’T know, that Molly Ivins had in fact ‘pulled’ back from the stance that SHE HERSELF made, in her own words, and in her own writings.

And, YOU telling us what YOU think, isn’t evidence, because in all fairness, YOU have zero credibility. (which might be why you aren’t allowed out of your cage).

Now despite your complete lack of credibility, (and you lost that on your own – nobody took it away from you) I did post a question to you, on whichever thread it was where you claimed that Obama “has” Brzezinski and Rice. (sorry, I don’t remember which thread it is, since you leave your droppings everywhere). Still, I AM curious to find out how you’ve chosen to construct ANY connection between Barack Obama and “Condi the Rice.” (my own title for her). I would be really entertained to see how you come up with that.

Now, don’t worry about me at all…getting out, or staying in. I’m fine…really, but thanks for the concern.

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By Darron Bethea, January 26, 2008 at 12:29 am Link to this comment
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I am 100% white and proud. I am also an Obama supporter. The uptmost quality in a leader is inspiration.

Hillary is a skillful politcian. I saw this video. It has over a million hits already. She really will say or do anything to get elected.
link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw

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By Maani, January 24, 2008 at 7:52 pm Link to this comment

Cyrena, you truly are a piece of work!  I actually SPOKE with Molly Ivins before she died, when she came to the Barnes & Noble bookstore around the corner from me for a reading and book signing in Fall of 2006.  And I specifically asked her about that statement, since I planned to support Hillary. And she said (and I am paraphrasing as closely as I can), “Well, I still have my reservations, but things change.  It remains to be seen.”

Thus, she was open to changing her mind about Hillary, and was NOT “absolutely” opposed to her candidacy.

You really ought to get out more…

Peace.

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By truthdweller, January 24, 2008 at 6:25 pm Link to this comment

Molly Evans NEVER pulled back, and I can’t believe that even Maani would STOOP THIS LOW!!!

Now we’re supposed to somehow disregard the words of an exceptional woman and journalist just because she DIED!

Well SHAME on Molly Evans for dying! That must mean that nothing she said had any validity.

You’re disgusting Maani…grotesquely so….

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By rage, January 24, 2008 at 4:35 pm Link to this comment
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If the Clintons went after the campaign issues with the same voracity they’re going for Obama’s throat, Shillary might be winning for real. This craziness of Hillary having all the answers, and all the answers being the same - Bill, is nuts. We don’t mind Bill campaigning for her, but all this is a bit much. And, it’s unfair that she have access to all this much help from a once-popular former President while the rest of the candidates struggle to run the race off their own steam.

Bill is not doing Hillary a whole lot of good with this floor show. Before all is finally said and done, peturbed voters and annoyed detractors are going to start closely scrutinizing his Presidential record, and kill Hillary, realizing that a lot of the corporate deregulation Bill signed into law clearly built the recessive economic scaffolding from which Chimperor Dumya has plunged America into the economic collapse. Compared to Dumya, Bill did do a superlative job. However, two years into Bill’s second term, his Presidency had begun to take hits resultant from his free trade agreements that sent our jobs overseas and weaker tarrifs that weakened our GDP. Sure he left us a surplus, but the rest of his numbers had begun to decline by the time he left office. The truth is he got out of there just in time to preserve his legacy in tact. The candidate who dares to capitolize on this reality could actually break the curse of Clinton nostalgia, hurdling Hillary back to the Senate, crying real tears this time.

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By interlace, January 24, 2008 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment
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dont trust the media. thanks to the internet you can watch the entire video clip in full context. in fact you can watch all of clinton’s ‘red-faced slamming’. if you do, you’ll see its nowhere near as exciting as headlines make it out to be.

im really dissapointed in the media in this election cycle. there are no more objective observers.

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By Dragon Horse, January 24, 2008 at 9:39 am Link to this comment
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You know I remember Bush the Senior campaigning for his son a little bit, but he did not go to ever campaign stop and berate his opponents in a Republican Primary.  Hillary claims to be a feminist but what type of Feminist can not stand on their own and hides behind their husband to “beat down” the opponent while she plays nice?  The truth is Hillary is no feminist, she is Cleopatra, she is Bhutto, she is Indira Ghandi all of these women got power based on who they slept with or who their father was.  Hillary’s “experience” is due to nepotism.  She is not even ¼ the woman as the women in the Congress, like Nany Pelosi who had to make their bones to get where they were.  Without Bill, Hillary would not even be where she is and she does not deserve to be there now.  Obama has not road anyone’s coattails.  That is the mark of a fighter and a leader who will bring real change.  Obama 2008

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By Maani, January 24, 2008 at 9:11 am Link to this comment

Jacks:

Thanks for the video.  It really does clear things up.  And it’s amazing how many people here will simply believe what they want to believe without ever actually watching videos like this.

There is no question that Bill is correct.  Not only that, but he is the first one I’ve heard who ha taken the press to task for covering controversy instead of issues.  Bravo to him!

Peace.

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By troublesum, January 24, 2008 at 8:09 am Link to this comment

Thanks for the Molly Ivins column.  It was quite unbelievable to hear the Clintons praising Martin Luther King.  If Hillary went to Riverside Church to give a speech today….. “Why I may or may not be for or against the war in Iraq more or less….”

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By jimijazz, January 24, 2008 at 7:31 am Link to this comment
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Bill Clinton is proving himself to be a bigger jerk than he was as president. His arrogance and ego once again are all that matter to him. Don’t to try to tell the blogosphere about discerning the facts. The blogs and websites were initiated precisely because of people like him. The Clintons were figured out a long time ago, and they both have real high negatives. The Clintons are obviously frustrated and realize that the tactics they tried in the past are not working for them. Why? because voters have sussed out the Clintons. It’s a new age for information. As long as as Obama continues to make inroads to the voters of all types, that puts the Clintons at a disadvantage. They (Clintons) are so used to running a “Bubba” campaign, but the country has changed dramatically since ‘92. So don’t be condesending to the voters Bill, It just makes you look like more of an ass.

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By Jacks, January 24, 2008 at 2:18 am Link to this comment

See it before you make such a foolish statement.  Clinton respond to inflammatory accusations of voter suppression.  Watch it.

And Obama isn’t exactly comfortable with fact checking or someone pushing back against distortions.  Take Bill’s criticism of his Iraq voting record and how it holds up to his image: although it was true, Obama flipped out and said he had accused Obama of never having been against the war, which never happened.  Obama who portrays himself as different and anti-war has the same pathetic voting record as Sen. Clinton.

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By Jacks, January 24, 2008 at 2:16 am Link to this comment

An Obama surrogate compared Bill Clinton to LEE ATWATER.  And Bill Clinton was actually quite *calm* about it and he explained that he was tired of the PRESS inflaming racial tension unnecessarily when the people of South Carolina were concerned about other matters.

He wasn’t at all “lashing out” or “negative.”  He presented a solid argument.  He said that the leader of a civil rights organization, founded by Cesar Chavez, was the one that complained about Nevada culinary union voters not being able to feel free to vote for Clinton.  He said if someone has a problem to take it up with her.  He also commented that the people who marched with MLK supported Hillary and felt the Obama campaign exploited the press’ fetish for sensationalism.

Here’s the video.  Seriously, check it out yourself
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/01/23/bill.clinton.yellin.cnn

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By Outraged, January 24, 2008 at 12:53 am Link to this comment

Is this the persona of the “philosopher-king” that Eugene Robinson talks about?  ............LOL.

With “philosophies” like Bill’s I just might have to start searching the Sunday comics for enlightenment.

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By angus C, January 23, 2008 at 11:54 pm Link to this comment
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Bill falls asleep Listen to the speech at MLK service


http://video.news.sky.com/skynews/video/?&videoSourceID=1302106&flashURL;=/feeds/skynews/latest/flash/web_movers_2000_230108.flv

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By Louise, January 23, 2008 at 11:14 pm Link to this comment

You are correct. I do not know that for a fact!
Nor do I know for a fact that she had “pulled back” from her original position.

Please provide evidence.

Thanks smile

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By Maani, January 23, 2008 at 9:37 pm Link to this comment

Louise:

I never thought you would stoop this low.  To quote an article from January 2006 by a woman who died a year later - and who had pulled back from her “absolute stand” in that article before she died.  Thus, you do not know for a fact that Ivins would not have been supporting Hillary now.  To suggest otherwise is outrageously dishonest.

Peace.

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By markg8, January 23, 2008 at 9:09 pm Link to this comment
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Shorter Bill Clinton today when speaking to the CNN reporter:

“Voters aren’t interested in pushback against or factchecking of our lies and distortions about Obama. At least not any I just talked to. They want to hear you echo our lies and distortions.”

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By Louise, January 23, 2008 at 5:47 pm Link to this comment

When Bill lashed out against the media, he was right. The media does try to control and shape!

He should have left it at that!

Anyone who’s ever been married knows the dumbest thing in the world a man can do is interject himself in a fight between his spouse and someone else! Obviously Bill hasn’t got a heck of a lot of experience in that area!

Obama’s remarks about Reagan and the repubs was right on. Anyone living and breathing through the Reagan years should know how they totally dominated the dems ... and still do!

The “control the world plan” didn’t just happen one day ... duh

Obama knows what he’s talking about. Apparently the media and the Clintons aren’t smart enough to acknowledge the reality of years of repub divide and conquer and control. Or maybe their trying to obfuscate Obama’s real message because of a certain sense of complicity.

Thats it!
Complicity!
Republican-lite!

About now might be a good time to hear from Molly.
“I will not support Hillary Clinton for president”
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/1/2006/1304

“Bush, Cheney and Co. will continue to play the patriotic bully card just as long as you let them. I’ve said it before: War brings out the patriotic bullies. In World War I, they went around kicking dachshunds on the grounds that dachshunds were “German dogs.” They did not, however, go around kicking German shepherds. The MINUTE someone impugns your patriotism for opposing this war, turn on them like a snarling dog and explain what loving your country really means. That, or you could just piss on them elegantly, as Rep. John Murtha did. Or eviscerate them with wit (look up Mark Twain on the war in the Philippines). Or point out the latest in the endless “string of bad news.”

“Do not sit there cowering and pretending the only way to win is as Republican-lite. If the Washington-based party can’t get up and fight, we’ll find someone who can.”

Molly Ivan’s

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By I'm appalled by this., January 23, 2008 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment
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I’m so disgusted. Who has Bill Clinton become? Or perhaps he’s always been this arrogant, cavalier, and despicable. I now understand the partnership between he and Hillary—they truly deserve one another. If Hillary becomes the nominee in November, I will not vote for her. The state of the nation is too critical to vote automatically along party-lines. I need someone with integrity and character—how else do we move in a different direction domestically AND internationally. Bill and Hillary are disgusting attack dogs…gutterish and shameless!

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