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Iran and U.S. Navy Play Chicken in Persian Gulf

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Posted on Jan 7, 2008
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U.S. Navy / John L. Beeman

A file photo of the USS Hopper, the ship that the Navy says was approached by small vessels over the weekend.

The carrier group sent to the Persian Gulf to intimidate and irritate Iran apparently struck a nerve. The U.S. Navy says that five suspected Iranian ships came within “close proximity” of one of a group of three American vessels. The ships turned around and no shots were fired, according to a Navy official and news reports.

Iranian officials have yet to confirm or deny the incident, which happened over the weekend.

On Monday night, unrelated to the incident involving the ships, two $57-million Navy F/A-18 Super Hornets crashed in the gulf.


Los Angeles Times:

A U.S. Navy official in Bahrain today confirmed the broad outlines of a weekend confrontation between U.S. and Iranian warships in the Persian Gulf.

Citing unnamed military officials in Washington, CNN, NBC and other news outlets reported today that one of five Iranian ships came within 200 yards of a group of three U.S. naval vessels Saturday night in international waters within the Strait of Hormuz, the narrow passage through which much of the gulf’s oil reaches the world.

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CNN:

Two U.S. Navy F/A-18 Super Hornets—flying off the aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman—crashed Monday night in the Persian Gulf, U.S. Navy officials said.

The aircrafts’ three aviators were recovered safely after they ejected from the jets—a single-seat F/A-18E and two-seat F/A-18F.

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By MaxTruth, January 9, 2008 at 3:29 pm Link to this comment
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The reason that people come here is to make sure that anyone reading this nonsense knows there’s another, logical side to the issue.  As for the rest of your comments, it’s a testament to the freedom we all enjoy that you can even say such things about the President and Vice President.  I love it when the Zionist Jew accusations start flying.  It’s so original.  Why don’t you come up with something new?

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By lilmamzer, January 9, 2008 at 11:31 am Link to this comment

By voice of truth, January 9 at 8:53

Mr Chalmers
The US Navy was in the Persian Gulf in 1988 not to protect “our man in Eye-Rak” as you claim, but actually to protect oil tankers flying the US flag

The US Navy has been tasked with protecting the right of American merchant vessels to sail unmolested by Islamic pirates for hundreds of years, going back to the Barbary Wars of the early 19th century. The ignorance of <strike>Truth</strike>CrapDig posters like Chalmers and Cyrena is matched only by their strident tone, and that is a humiliating combination for them.
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And one typo is way better than the amount of errors I have counted just in your two posts, uhhh (whatever the hell that means).

Did you ever see Slingblade - the movie directed by and starring Billy Bob Thornton? Chalmers reminds me of the main character, always grunting “uhhh” after every sentence.

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By voice of truth, January 9, 2008 at 9:53 am Link to this comment

The US Navy was in the Persian Gulf in 1988 not to protect “our man in Eye-Rak” as you claim, but actually to protect oil tankers flying the US flag, and others, as they transited the Straits of Hormuz.

Also, I do know it was KAL and not JAL.  If you notice, the J is next to the K on the keyboard, I made a typo.  And one typo is way better than the amount of errors I have counted just in your two posts, uhhh (whatever the hell that means).

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By Gabir, January 8, 2008 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment

If so many “wackos” congregate to post comments on this website ,  ‘voice(?)of truth(?)” must be a very attention starved person to waste such highly intelligent insights on a “wacko” dominated website .
  If anyone took the time to research 9/11 , you would discover it had to be an inside job , that the Patriot Act was prepared well in advance to be ready soo after 9/11 , that BUSH/CHENEY SHOULD BE HUNG FIRST AND TRIED LATER .
  As for the Zionist Jews running this country , the Jewish People have been blamed for anything negative throughout their history . They are even responsible for the - common cold .

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By PatrickHenry, January 8, 2008 at 6:41 pm Link to this comment

The U.S. wastes more money in military training accidents than half the worlds defense budgets combined.

Pistols, shotguns, rifles, the average American citizen is armed to the teeth and doesn’t need an F-18 to save them from Al Queda in Iraq.

Why do we have a missile cruiser in the staights of Hormuz?  Thats not exactly our back yard and is overtly provocative in an asshole sort of way.  No wonder why most the countries of the world hate us, except Israel and they prefer to be paid in euros.

I know it doesn’t represent me as an American and a voter.

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By Douglas Chalmers, January 8, 2008 at 6:06 pm Link to this comment

By voice of truth, January 8: “Actually, the US Navy has had a presence in the Persian Gulf for the past 60 years or more.  Protecting the sea lanes for commerce is not what I would call “where it does not belong.”...”

Again, how is that 1988 tragedy relevant to today’s incident? The US Navy was in the Persian Gulf protecting “our man” in Eye-Rak - Saddam Hussein - while he was murdering millions of Iranians and even his own Kurdish minority!

When will you people realize that the fact that an Iranian breathing will be an irritant to the Americans who run the world for “big oil” ever since the Ayatollah took over from the US puppet shah and the US failed disastrously in “rescuing” its embassy staff?

Bush/Cheney need to be impeached and sentenced to death - the US is run by Zionist Jews. And by the way, the Soviets shot down KAL 007, Korean Airlines - NOT Japan Airlines, uhh. Do you hear that drum beat starting up again from the Bushco Company of Fear and Intimidation again?

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By voice of truth, January 8, 2008 at 4:20 pm Link to this comment

Just a reminder that the Iranians have, in fact, confirmed the encounter.  So it did actually happen.


““if this country would quit putting itself where it does not belong and interfering in other countries business”“

Actually, the US Navy has had a presence in the Persian Gulf for the past 60 years or more.  Protecting the sea lanes for commerce is not what I would call “where it does not belong.”  And it certainly doesn’t fall into the category of the actual article, which states that they were there only to intimidate and irritate the Iranians.

When will you people realize that the fact that an American is breathing will be an irritant to the Iranians.

Of course, since oil is evil, and oil companies are evil (as if there are not actually people who work there), then there is no reason for the Navy to be there.  Also, without oil, we can then go back to the Stone Age where the average liberal / anti-capitalist would like us to be.  You know, when infant mortality was at 50% and a man lived to the ripe old age of 28.  Of course, that surely was caused by the pre-historic drug companies withholding needed medical supplies.

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By purplewolf, January 8, 2008 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment

Listen. Do you hear that? Is that a drum beat starting up again from the Bushco Company of Fear and Intimidation again? This is no surprise and if this country would quit putting itself where it does not belong and interfering in other countries business rather than take care of their own, then this incident, if we are to believe it is really true and not another Bushco lie, would never have taken place. What’s the matter, can’t wait to declare Martial Law? Have to keep the Dems from taking control of this country in the future and what else than to start yet another war so the elections will be suspended and the Evil Darth Cheney and his idiot in chief will reign with terror over what was once the Unites Stated, who thanks to these same two are no longer United but more like Divided.

It’s time to take the “TOYS”(control) away from this incompetent duo and replace them before it’s too late.

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By lilmamzer, January 8, 2008 at 4:02 pm Link to this comment

By voice of truth, January 8 at 2:46 pm

I knew if we waited long enough someone would revert to one of the three key things that draws all the wackos here:

1 - 9/11 was an inside job
2 - Bush/Cheney need to be impeached and sentenced to death
3 - the US is run by Zionist Jews.

You didn’t have to wait long, did you?

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By the way, what does an accidental shooting down of a civilian airliner from 20 years ago have to do with this incident?

$500 to the first Chalmers-like 9/11 Conspiracy Whacko/Israel-Hating Judeophobe/Bush-Basher who can give a coherent and reasoned answer to that excellent question.

....sounds of crickets chirping…...

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By voice of truth, January 8, 2008 at 3:46 pm Link to this comment

I knew if we waited long enough someone would revert to one of the three key things that draws all the wackos here:

1 - 9/11 was an inside job
2 - Bush/Cheney need to be impeached and sentenced to death
3 - the US is run by Zionist Jews.

Really, some of you people need to get a life.

By the way, what does an accidental shooting down of a civilian airliner from 20 years ago have to do with this incident?  Surprised you didn’t mention the Soviets shooting down JAL 007 over Kamchatka.  Maybe George Bush did that one too!!  Yea, that’s it.  Or, maybe it wasn’t even shot down.  May it entered a time warp worm hole, only to reappear in time to fly into the Trade Center.  Yea!!

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By Trytruth, January 8, 2008 at 3:39 pm Link to this comment
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A reminder to lilmamzer and also to Americans, this article details the jewish terrorist attacks on over 200 young US Navy servicemen.

http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/0693/9306019.htm

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By lilmamzer, January 8, 2008 at 3:37 pm Link to this comment

By Douglas Chalmers, January 8 at 1:57 pm

Slack, eh, lilmamzer - they must have been asleep, uhh?

What does that mean? You write asinine things like this all the frickin’ time.
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Marvellous how you guys never bother to remember Iran Air Flight 655, a civilian airliner shot down by US missiles, 1988

“You guys”?  There’s only one of me, dude.
And your mention of that tragedy here is irrelevant.
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When you blather spuriously about “projecting American power throughout the world”, just remember that you couldn’t tell the difference between a civilian airliner on its usual flight route and “an attacking F-14 Tomcat fighter”.

It’s not “blather”. It’s real. Very real, and very serious. So tell us Chalmers, in a real-time threat environment on duty station in the Persian Gulf, are you qualified to make decisions regarding incoming aircraft? Again, how is that 1988 tragedy relevant to today’s incident? Don’t answer (PLEASE) - it’s a rhetorical question.
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But then, neither could anyone in Washinton ever find the evidence for an airliner which supposedly struck the Pentagon in 2001, either, uhh.

HA HA HA HA you’re a TRUTHER!!!!!!

LMFAO CHALMERS

And what’s with that “uhhh” you always end your sentences with?

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By MaxTruth, January 8, 2008 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment
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You compare an accident to a purposeful act of terrorism.  Are you that blind to the obvious moral differences?

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By weather, January 8, 2008 at 3:19 pm Link to this comment
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ill-a-manzer, kindly post on an Israeli site, you like your favorite zip code are an exhausting and selfish drain on resources.

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By Alex Martin, January 8, 2008 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment
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Not only is it a sequel but the original now is known to be fiction.  Don’t be fooled again.

The Bush Administration is trying to distract us again from something.

Could this false report be due to Sibel Edmonds information release in the Sunday London Times?

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By Douglas Chalmers, January 8, 2008 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment

By lilmamzer, January 8: “The USS Cole was attacked by Islamic Jihadists in small craft not unlike what the Iranian Jihadists were using….”

Slack, eh, lilmamzer - they must have been asleep, uhh?

Marvellous how you guys never bother to remember Iran Air Flight 655, a civilian airliner shot down by US missiles, 1988, over the Strait of Hormuz, towards the end of the Iran Iraq War…. by the U.S. Navy’s guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes between Bandar Abbas and Dubai, killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard.

When you blather spuriously about “projecting American power throughout the world”, just remember that you couldn’t tell the difference between a civilian airliner on its usual flight route and “an attacking F-14 Tomcat fighter”. But then, neither could anyone in Washinton ever find the evidence for an airliner which supposedly struck the Pentagon in 2001, either, uhh. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

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By lilmamzer, January 8, 2008 at 2:22 pm Link to this comment

Going from dishonest statements about non-existent nuclear weapons to US warships being threatened by rubber dinghies and the Iranian guys dropping their lunch-boxes over the side is laughable…......

The USS Cole was attacked by Islamic Jihadists in small craft not unlike what the Iranian Jihadists were using.
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Fra more significant that “...two $57-million Navy F/A-18 Super Hornets crashed in the gulf….” That not only shows the US Navy something but also shows something to countries like Australia who are now negatively reviewing earlier intentions to but FA-18’s.

It shows nothing of the sort. The F/A-18 is and will remain a very capable multi-role aircraft despite its 4th generation design.
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As they are not even stealthy, they really aren’t providing that much “protection” anyway, despite ‘voice of truth’ and ‘lilmamzer’s’ being frightened of some bogeyman in the dark. Marvellous how the empire’s flunkies always fear some vague “totalitarianism”.

You babble ceaselessly and mindlessly, Chalmers. When will you just stop???? The F/A-18 does not have the 5th Generation radar signature of the F-22, but it still serves a vital role defending the fleet and projecting American power throughout the world. Radar-evading stealth characteristics of air-superiority fighters such as the F-22 Raptor are not required for most of the Super Hornet’s missions.
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The USA’s plight is like a ship sinking - it slowly goes over on one side, the bow goes down and then it disappears out of sight into the depths.

Wow, what a frickin’ downer you are. If you feel so negative about this nation, go move to Iran or Saudi Arabia and wallow in your traitorous depression over there.

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By odlid, January 8, 2008 at 2:12 pm Link to this comment
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By driving bear, January 8 at 10:55 am #
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Re: Iranian gunboats made a run

“You may not like FOX news but remember they are the most watched in prime time by a 2 to 1 margin.”

driving bear, In my travels and in previous years, most of my news sources were via shortwave radio broadcasts from Holland, Sweden and a few sources on other continents. This decades-long practice taught me the simple skill of filtering. Without this ability, one cannot sense the difference between news and propaganda.

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By rage, January 8, 2008 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment
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Another Gulf of Tonkin

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By MaxTruth, January 8, 2008 at 1:42 pm Link to this comment
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There was another time that the right was screaming about vague “totalitarianism”.  The president at the time, a socialist who himself tried to pack the Supreme Court to insure his own brand of totalitarianism called Stalin “Uncle Joe” and refused to believe anything bad about him.  Meanwhile, between 50 and 100,000,000 Russians died under that vague “totalitarianism.”  Every time there’s an actual threat, the Left ignores it and then someone else has to suffer.  Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it.  Those who fail to learn history correctly, why they are simply doomed.

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By Douglas Chalmers, January 8, 2008 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

By driving bear, January 7: “Fox reported this afternoon that Iran boats came within 200 yards of the US ships and made threatening comments over the radio and were scene dropping “boxes” into the water…”

There’s always someone rushing to believe this Murdoch-media garbage, uhh. That kind of game and others are happeneing all the time. Bush + Co just happen to be desperate to have something to ratchet up the tension.

Going from dishonest statements about non-existent nuclear weapons to US warships being threatened by rubber dinghies and the Iranian guys dropping their lunch-boxes over the side is laughable…......

Fra more significant that ”...two $57-million Navy F/A-18 Super Hornets crashed in the gulf….” That not only shows the US Navy something but also shows something to countries like Australia who are now negatively reviewing earlier intentions to but FA-18’s.

As they are not even stealthy, they really aren’t providing that much “protection” anyway, despite ‘voice of truth’ and ‘lilmamzer’s’  being frightened of some bogeyman in the dark. Marvellous how the empire’s flunkies always fear some vague “totalitarianism”.

The USA is slipping further and further behind. ‘weather’s’ “Support the US $ or Die” is even rather late now as no-one is supporting it seriously any longer. The USA’s plight is like a ship sinking - it slowly goes over on one side, the bow goes down and then it disappears out of sight into the depths.

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By weather, January 8, 2008 at 1:11 pm Link to this comment
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“pathetic failed-state darlings of the traitorous….”  - How Israeli of them!

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By lilmamzer, January 8, 2008 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment

North Korea, Venezuela, Iraq, Iran;what do they all have in common? 

All are now (or until very recently, thanks to the US Army in Iraq) totalitarian regimes where human rights were trampled on, to say the least.

All are now (or until very recently, thanks to the US Army in Iraq) regimes supporting terrorism against innocent civilians.

All are now (or until very recently, thanks to the US Army in Iraq) the pathetic failed-state darlings of the traitorous Left who wouldn’t know the value of freedom if it hit them in the face (INCLUDING YOU, ‘WEATHER’)

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By lilmamzer, January 8, 2008 at 12:56 pm Link to this comment

Amen to that.

Better than Allahu Akbar, which would be the required chant if we didn’t have those F/A-18s.

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By Don66, January 8, 2008 at 12:47 pm Link to this comment
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Deja Vue! Doesn’t anyone remember what got us into the Viet Nam War? Again our Navy was under attack at night by high speed boats. Turned out that was a lie. Nevertheless, It got us into the shooting war that lasted ten years, and we lost. Billions and billions of taxpayer dollars down the drain and 50,000 of our troops dead.
Now our Navy is again under attack. How long before the next shooting war? How long before the draft to rebuild our military so they can have more cannon fodder?

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By driving bear, January 8, 2008 at 11:55 am Link to this comment

You may not like FOX news but remember they are the most watched in prime time by a 2 to 1 margin.

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By weather, January 8, 2008 at 10:23 am Link to this comment
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VoT;check your zip code, this isn’t Kansas anymore.
Put your remote control down, the enemy is a pixel, w/a sound bite and they’re listed on the NYSE, protected by the ‘dis-information’ act.

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By voice of truth, January 8, 2008 at 10:08 am Link to this comment

Yea, and if we never had those F/A-18’s, your school would be teaching some sort of totalitarianism, because you sure as hell wouldn’t be living in a free country.

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By themask, January 8, 2008 at 9:50 am Link to this comment
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The motion picture industry has been laying out our future for years and quite often gives us a 5 to 6 year warning of coming events.
How long ago did the movie “SYRIANA” starring George Clooney come out ???  Clooney by the way chooses not to live in the U.S. Why ??

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By MaxTruth, January 8, 2008 at 7:57 am Link to this comment
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Maybe I’m missing something, but do none of you have a problem with Iran developing nukes?  Or has Ahmadinejad not made his intentions clear enough?

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By PatrickHenry, January 8, 2008 at 4:28 am Link to this comment

You could have built a school for the cost of those 2 F-18s and run the school on the cost of the gas to run fly them.

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By weather, January 8, 2008 at 2:35 am Link to this comment
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As ugly and as horrible as Oil and Israel is, its the US dollar to Euro threat that keeps us sick.

North Korea, Venezuela, Iraq, Iran;what do they all have in common? 

- don’t listen to the words, just follow the music.

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By rowdy, January 7, 2008 at 10:35 pm Link to this comment

i smell brimstone. rove most certainly created this “incident”. just laying one more stepping stone on the path to bombing iran.

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By odlid, January 7, 2008 at 8:04 pm Link to this comment
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Iranian gunboats made a run at US warships, coming within 600 feet. Yes, and I fathered Britney Spears. dickCheney doesn’t choke small animals. A fat bear doesn’t fart..

I assume driving bear was making a joke re: the info from Fox Entertainment.

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By driving bear, January 7, 2008 at 5:58 pm Link to this comment

It worse that this story reported. Fox reported this afternoon that Iran boats came within 200 yards of the US ships and made threatening comments over the radio and were scene dropping “boxes” into the water.

P.T this does not mean that American will not re watch the movie

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By don knutsen, January 7, 2008 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment
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What is taking Iran so long to cooperate with our goverment’s plan to force them into a hiccup and justify our shock and awe inspiring responce? We’ve been off their coast for some time now with a couple carrier groups, including the carriers, escorts, destroyers, planes, cruise missles, etc…and all were doing is burning up american tax dollars in fuel and maintanence which must be starting to piss off our warrior king. Its only a matter of time, unless these idiots are somehow reined in, that we will have created our own justification ( again )As Scott Ridder has already stated, Cheney / Bush exist in a Fact-Free zone at the White House. Facts are not to get in the way of their plans to continue the chaos..theres just too much money to be made to quit and who cares about the future anyway..as the shrub himself has stated already, “We’ll all be dead anyway “..And after all, thanks to our wonderfull media machine, most of america is no more knowledgable about the middle east then they were 8 years ago. Its finally becoming obvious to a mojority of america that this lunatic administration has done irreparible harm to our nation and our nation’s reputation thruout the world. And all the neo-cons can do is continue to try and lie us into yet another war. If our congress cared about our nation these criminals would’ve been impeached long ago.

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By P. T., January 7, 2008 at 5:32 pm Link to this comment

Gulf of Tonkin, the sequel.  We’ve seen this movie before.

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