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Kucinich Files Complaint Over Debate Exclusion

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Posted on Jan 4, 2008
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By the book:  Rep. Dennis Kucinich holds up his pocket-sized copy of the U.S. Constitution at Friday’s New Hampshire Democratic Party 100 Club dinner in Mitford.

Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich won’t accept his exclusion from ABC’s debates on Saturday without a fight.  Kucinich filed a complaint with the FCC Friday, claiming ABC is denying him equal time and noting that parent company Disney has made campaign contributions to the four invited Democrats.


AP via My Way News:

“ABC should not be the first primary,” the Ohio congressman said in papers filed at the Federal Communications Commission.

ABC said the candidates left out of the debates failed to meet benchmarks for their support that were outlined to each campaign prior to the Iowa caucus. Kucinich did not complain about these rules ahead of time, said spokeswoman Cathie Levine, who had no further comment since she hasn’t seen the FCC filing.

ABC said it hoped to encourage more conversation and interaction among the candidates during the debates, which will both be moderated by Charles Gibson. The stakes are high as candidates take the stage three days before the New Hampshire primary.

The Republican debate will include Iowa caucus winner Mike Huckabee, John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney and Ron Paul. It starts at 7 p.m. EST.

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Click here to read Gore Vidal’s fiery salvo about Kucinich’s exclusion from December’s Democratic debate in Des Moines.

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By Outraged, January 7, 2008 at 3:39 pm #

There is video of protests for Kucinich in NH at the site of the debate on “The Largest Minority” site.  (Scroll down to story)

http://www.jwharrison.com/blog/

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By Tom Semioli, January 7, 2008 at 3:02 pm #
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Nader did not give America Chancellor Bush, the Democrats did. Will Nero be playing at the Inaugural Ball next January?

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By thebeerdoctor, January 7, 2008 at 11:40 am #

Yes cyclezealot I agree that Mr. Kucinich should be allowed in the debates. Even if his support is small, he is the only bona-fide candidate for peace. Your point about his objection to media consolidation is well taken. But then, what was ever democratic about The Walt Disney Company?
Perhaps if the publicly elected member of congress were a billionaire, ready to spend millions on ads, they might have found a place for the man from Cleveland. But then again, maybe not.
If you are interested, check out more of my political stuff at the Huffington Post.

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By cyclezealot, January 7, 2008 at 5:56 am #
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My post below condemned the NH Democrats for not backing Kucinich’s participation in the NH ABC debate. I did receive an email from the NH Dem spokes person. I was told The State Party was not a sponsor to the debate, but that they condemned ABC’s move and contacted ABC to have Kucinich included. To no avail. Maybe NH is the Live Free or Die State?
  I fear, a reason for ABC’s blacklisting Kucinich. Kucinich’s call to thwart Media Consolidation. A reason to back Kucinich and a reason to demand Kucinich’s call to have the Media’s ever more consolidated ownership Stopped. Today’s media power is ever more Orwelian in nature.

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By thebeerdoctor, January 6, 2008 at 11:56 pm #

Thank you for your comments Mr. Cajon. I do understand the kind of metamorphosis required within this corrupt political system, in order to simply carry out, honest, civic responsibility. I disagree with you on the widely held assumption that Ralph Nader gave George W Bush the presidency. No sir, George W Bush stole the election through digital fraud committed in the state of Florida. This is thoroughly documented in Greg Pallast’s book The Best Democracy Money Can Buy.
The same tactic were used four years later in the state of Ohio. Also thoroughly documented. But the powers that be deemed it not something to worry about. Just get over it, was the phrase heard over and over,

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By QuyTran, January 6, 2008 at 10:31 pm #

Sorry to tell you guys, Fox follows ABC to act like a chimpanzee !

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By Leefeller, January 6, 2008 at 10:23 pm #

Your president will be selected for you by the special interests, where do you think the money comes from?

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By Frank Cajon, January 6, 2008 at 10:11 pm #

Mr Beerdoctor, I am closely moving in on 60, have been a member of four political parties and have changed affiliation around 8 times. My most recent Democratic registration had to do with some issues in response to the 2000 debacle in which Nader gave us Chancellor Bush, and some State elections that I cared about. Obama, Clinton, and Edwards equal ROmney, Huckabee, and McCain. My experience in SWP, P&F;, and previous round with the Green folks, have led me to believe that we need a multi-party system by the oligarchy doesn’t feel that way. I also feel we do NOT need an executive branch of the federal government-it has left us open to the current kind of de facto dictatorship that we have today.

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By LVogt, January 6, 2008 at 6:22 pm #
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The primaries are are a test. Everyone knows what they have to do and the ones that get it done get the nomination. If you can’t do it you shouldn’t be President.  Dennis is getting nowhere. I agree with Kucinich more than any other candidate and I’d like to see him in the debate but the criteria is pretty easy and if he can’t accomplish that much in the time he’s had he’s not going to be the nominee.  If he doesn’t have any money it’s because not enough people want him enough to give it to him. He’s just not getting any traction and like the other highly qualified candidates, Biden and Dodd he should expect that we will be more interested in hearing from someone in the primary who might actually become president. He will not. I do feel that not giving equal time to all those present during the earlier debates was shameful.

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By cyrena, January 6, 2008 at 12:58 pm #

Ah Louise…

You lift my spirit, (as usual). And, you’re right of course. Still, even those of us who know it, still need to hear this from time to time.

Thanks again.

NO GIVING UP!!!

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By cyrena, January 6, 2008 at 12:54 pm #

Purplewolf..

GREAT questions!!

What might be the excuses for THAT?

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By thebeerdoctor, January 6, 2008 at 4:15 am #

Mr. Cajon, to be honest I never was much of a fan of Mr. Kucinich, even though I think his heart is in the right place. He happens to have little choice when it comes to political affiliation. And, to be honest, in the blood sport known as politics, you can do nothing unless you are inside the arena of action. I detect from your comments about the Green Party, that you sense all political action is futile. Which it probably is. But please dear witness of the jackass party, do not let the savage stupidity of this process get the best of your being. You know the politicos and their corporate handlers want the rest of the population to believe that they are important. Perhaps the greatest form of protest is when a citizen acknowledges that the ruling oligarchy’s agenda is powerful, but ultimately meaningless.

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By LVogt, January 6, 2008 at 3:46 am #
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The primaries are are a test. Everyone knows what they have to do and the ones that get it done get the nomination. Dennis is getting nowhere. I agree with Kucinich more than any other candidate and I’d like to see him in the debate but the criteria is pretty easy and if he can’t accomplish that much in the time he’s had he’s not going to be the nominee.  If he doesn’t have any money it’s because not enough people want him enough to give it to him. He’s just not getting any traction and like the other highly qualified candidates, Biden and Dodd he should expect that we will be more interested in hearing from someone in the primary who might actually become president. He will not.  I do feel that not giving equal time during to all those present during the debates was shameful.

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By thebeerdoctor, January 6, 2008 at 3:44 am #

How true purplewolf how true! Just listen to how main stream media starts questioning whether or not Obama or any other candidate has enough experience in foreign affairs. Was that an issue when W crawled out from a rock in Texas? Of course not. Daddy would come to the rescue, so they assumed. But remember W does not listen to his lower father, only the invisible higher father and his most noble, but fallen angel, Karl Rove.

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By Frank Cajon, January 6, 2008 at 2:42 am #

Bottom line: The Jackass Party has given up all pretense of actually reprenting the voters’ opinions and choices. They have become the Group Onanist Party by another name, and Kucinich has been denied a seat at the table-and those Americans who registered Jackass just to vote against the mechanists of the current fascist regime really have no authentic difference in candidates, just like 2004. Kucinich is an idealist whose mistake then and now was not to lie about his agenda in order to pander huge sums from the capitalist cabal that gave us Bush/Cheney Reich and the great alternative of Kerry last time and a similar fool this time. The last thing that corporate backers want is an idealist. Forget about Kucinich, and if you haven’t already, drop your registration with the Jackasses. I did 6 months ago, I am now Green but despise Nader. What a great system we have, where our kids are taught that the Russian elections are rigged and only certain candidates permitted to run for office there and in other countries, which don’t have ‘freedom’. What a crock.

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By purplewolf, January 6, 2008 at 12:50 am #

If using the excuse that Kucinich bankrupted Cleveland and is a nut case as to why he is excluded from the debates, then what was the excuse of allowing George W. to run the last 2 terms as he bankrupted every business he ever had before becoming president and was a nut job back then, and has now bankrupted this country and he talks to invisible beings?

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By thebeerdoctor, January 6, 2008 at 12:19 am #

Here is a little item for you. When Dennis Kucinich was excluded from a televised debate in Iowa, I complained about it at my blog on the Desmoinesregister.com, the paper that was mostly responsible for the exclusion. I received one angry reply from someone who said essentially that Kucinich is a nut case who as mayor Cleveland bankrupted the city… thus, the experts like David Yepsin decide who is a serious candidate and who is not. It is an oligarchical point of view, with the attitude that the great unwashed should vote for who they are told to vote for, each election cycle. But the everyday business of politics? That should be left to the professionals.

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By Tom joad, January 5, 2008 at 11:53 pm #
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We the people have a right to have a diverse platform of legitimate candidates in the debate.
Many don’t know this, but the “media” didn’t pull itself up by its own bootstraps. They were and are dependant on public lands and infrastructure that WE let them have.

It’s payback time, baby! They don’t GET to decide who we hear from. Reagan bastardized the contract between we the people and the big media, but is was unlawful. The price of admission into media is the “public interest” and that means we get to hear anti-establishment viewpoints.

Call, email, and complain to these giants that they are only allowed to be because we LET them, and they have a duty to allow non-mainstream viewpoints flourish.

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By loveinatub, January 5, 2008 at 9:18 pm #

No wonder this country only ends up with either “evil” or the “lesser of two evils” when it comes to presidents. We have a corporate media that marginalizes candidates who threaten or challenge the status-quo; we have an anachronistic system known as the electoral college; and worse, we have a system of government whereby candidates must raise money in order to become elected to public office. Kucinich, you’re too bright, smart and compassionate for this country. You are not appreciated for your virtues and qualities.

Go down fighting, Kucinich. This country doesn’t deserve your brilliance.

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By cyclezealot, January 5, 2008 at 8:54 pm #
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Today, The NH GOP said it would not co sponsor the Faux news debate if Ron Paul were excluded. ( Search the Union Leader website.) Who would have thought it possible, the Republicans would demonstrate a greater conscious and be more democratic, than the Democratic party.

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By QuyTran, January 5, 2008 at 4:56 pm #

Don’t act like an animal ! Dennis Kucinick will have full rights as other candidates.

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By Mudwollow, January 5, 2008 at 3:18 pm #

Tell ABC what you think about its censorship

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/29827

Get it off your chest and tell a friend to do the same. Like ABC gives a rats ass what you think.

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By Expat, January 5, 2008 at 2:51 pm #

By Leefeller, January 5 at 8:24 am #
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Three wise men?

Thanks for the support.  I’m afraid we’re really doomed.  Ranting as an expression of passion may be “good for the soul”, but it looks like an anger management problem to these hapless souls inhabiting the empty spaces of civilization also known as our government.  I no longer understand or want to, the robotic cadence of our citizenry as they walk in lockstep to the music of their own imprisonment.  It defies understanding by a rational mind!

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By Leefeller, January 5, 2008 at 2:51 pm #

Nice breath of fresh air.  Thanks.

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By Louise, January 5, 2008 at 2:42 pm #

Now don’t go giving up folks!

And don’t blame Dennis. He has been on the campaign trail since day one. Just because MSM has made a conscious decision to ignore him, doesn’t mean he isn’t there. You need to get on his email list, so you can inform and direct people to where he’ll be and when.

And for goodness sake don’t blame yourselves!

I’ve wiped away more than one tear from the face of someone I care about, when “IT” finally got through. The most common reason given for their not seeing it sooner is the demands of survival. In other words, it’s awfully hard to pay attention to the criminal behavior, when you have to put in eighteen hour days to keep up with the financial demands of staying alive!

That’s how it works!

The King recruits vassals to guard the royal arss. In turn they are given titles, residence and food. The peasants are allowed to work the Kings land, thereby providing ample food for him and his knights. And in return for their hard work, they are promised protection from any invading hordes. Only it never works out that way, because if a horde invades, the King sends his knights out to gather up the peasants to fight in the army he needs to create to defend his castle, which really doesn’t have room in it for any of those peasants anyway. And why do the peasants put up with it? Because they don’t have enough time on their hands, or extra food to stop farming and go get the King!

But history is full of examples of peasants marching on the castle with pitchforks in hand. And the army’s of peasants laying down their swords and going home. And Kings going quite mad, and running away to hide ... or being hauled off by a group of angry vassals. Empires never last. The trick is bringing down the old empire without creating a new one!

We’re working on it! wink

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By rage, January 5, 2008 at 2:21 pm #
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You are so on the money, Louise. This is horse hockey. For the past few months, America, thanks to the failed 4th estate, has been subjected to the Hillary Show. Hillary is the media’s forgone conclusion. Every other word on the election has been Hillary. All these jaded polls support Hillary. It’s the propagandists directive to erase all of Hillary’s competitors off not just the ballot but our minds. Why? Because Hillary is their shill. She offers the most promise from the DNC side of the aisle to allow the nation to forget conveniently about Dumya and Dick Vader while continuing the same mission those two jokers were deployed to initiate. That mission has yet to be fulfilled to assure for the next ten generations the stranglehold of that ruling 0.1% of our population over us poor voiceless serfs and knaves. Anyone like Kucinich who dares to challenge the duped masses to think must certainly be immediately discredited for the preservation of the status quo. Heaven forbid, Dennis should permitted to speak freely in a public discourse and actually inform and enlighten voters about the doomed direction in which the media hyped frontrunners propose to take America.

Kucinich - Richardson 2008!

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By Leefeller, January 5, 2008 at 1:24 pm #

Must say I agree with your synopsis on being doomed by the special interests and your comments on candidates for truth or most of it anyway.

We are forced to ride a train to Nowhereville again. Ignorance of the majority, fed a steady diet the pablum eaters doom the enlighten to eat with them. 

Well, ranting may be good for the being anyway!

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By Expat, January 5, 2008 at 1:11 pm #

By Louise, January 5 at 5:46 am #
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“The network set rules to:

Thanks Louise; Bill Moyers is always a good listen; never so much as now.  Contrary to some other opinions; I think there are three honest brokers
1. Kucinich
2. Paul
3. Gravel
They are toast; partly because we (Americans) are impotent jerks and allow the media and corporatists to dictate what our agenda will be. 

“This is absolute Bull Pucky!”

Yes it is, absolutely and positively!!

So……..just what the hell are we supposed to do about it?  I’ve been posting for almost a year, railing, swearing and generally blaming ourselves for this despicable predicament and to no avail.  I swear I’ll never post another word…..but I cannot give up!  I guess I’ll go down swinging…..it just isn’t in me to quit.  Having said that, I do think we are lost, gone, history, and generally f&*$ed!!!!

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By weather, January 5, 2008 at 12:35 pm #
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Another reason to vote w/your wallet, the most powerful weapon we have.

Unplug yourself from MSM and the consummer trap. Nothing scares corporations more than not seeing your money.

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By George Cammarota, January 5, 2008 at 12:10 pm #
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Consider this news item:

“Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich, along with supporter Willie Nelson, have filed a lawsuit to get Kucinich on the ballot in Texas after they say the Texas Democratic Party rejected his application. The lawsuit says that Congressman Kucinich was informed by the Party on Wednesday that his application was “defective” because he crossed out a loyalty oath in the application that said he would swear to support whoever the Democratic nominee for president might be. Kucinich also wants the court to declare that the oath requirement violates the First and 14th Amendments of the Constitution.” INN World Report, 4 Jan 2008

See http://www.innworldreport.net/archives/fromthestudio/index.html

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By pleasethink, January 5, 2008 at 11:52 am #
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The latest zogby poll (see cspan.org)puts Kucinich at 3% in NH.  It also points out that 8% are undecided.  Theoretically, DK could garner 11%.  However, because of ABC’s arbitrary decision, those 8% will not have a chance to even see or hear him. 

Dennis has also pointed out on Bill Moyers the according to the FCC act of 1934, the airwaves belong to the people and should serve the public interest.  It is in the public interest to hear about DK’s positions, which actually differ from those of the 3 front runners, whose positions, in substance, are essentially very similar (e.g. single payer healthcare, Iraq withdrawal).

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By Leefeller, January 5, 2008 at 11:51 am #

Let’s get real here, special interests call the shots, and the Television clowns are special interests, also they donate the money to the candidates so they will advertise and give it back to them.  Do they write off the donations, so they may get a taxepo cut.

The sucking sound you hear is the money leaving our wallets, supporting waste and nonsense of Washington, bought and paid for by the same special interests,
so we get the crumbs and send our kids as cannon fodder to support their wars.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, January 5, 2008 at 11:23 am #

The time to complain and to complain vociferously and vehemently was during the shams that were the early debates.  Dennis could have earned respect from those who knew they were bullshit and could have won over a large block of voters who, as it turns out, now have shown in the Iowa Caucases that they’re fed up with the status quo bullshit.

Now, it looks like, if Obama plays it right, he’s in and he’s no Dennis Kucinich.

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By Louise, January 5, 2008 at 10:46 am #

“The network set rules to narrow the field. Candidates had to meet at least one of three criteria: place first through fourth in Iowa, poll 5 percent or higher in one of the last four major New Hampshire surveys, or poll 5 percent or higher in one of the last four major national surveys.”

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This is absolute Bull Pucky!

Kucinich has placed first in almost every major Internet poll conducted in the past six months. Of course ABC chooses not to recognize the Internet, because that would require they recognize that’s where most of us go for news and information now-a-days, having long since given up on the likes of ABC.

Besides, if you’ve watched ANY of the last [how many? I’ve lost count] debates you know as well as I do the networks and their chosen moderators have quite deliberately ignored those candidates who have refused mega-corporate money.

In other words, Kucinich is being shut out for not allowing himself to be sold off to corporate control! Which means we the people are going to be denied equal exposure to all the candidates. But then there never has been equal exposure given to all the candidates from corporate media, as ABC very well knows, so a lot of folks never watch them anyway.

This just gives ABC the cover they’ve been looking for to try and justify their bad handling of the whole “debate” thing.

Two guests on Bill Moyer’s Journal last night [Friday] were, Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html

“What do the results in Iowa say about the press and politics? In two interviews, Bill Moyer’s talks with candidates shut out of key debates - Ron Paul by Fox News from an upcoming debate in New Hampshire and Dennis Kucinich by Iowa’s biggest newspaper, The Des Moines Register, in December.”

Great program.

Can also be linked to from here:

http://www.dennis4president.com/home/

The Kucinich speech Friday, to the New Hampshire Democratic Party 100 Club dinner in Mitford, was electrifying! When he called for Impeachment of Bush and Cheney the audience response very nearly brought the building down!

Whether ABCCBSNBCMSNBCFOX, or the DNC [or Harry and Nancy] like it or not, that’s what the people want.

Impeachment and an immediate end to an illegal and disastrous war!

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By Outraged, January 5, 2008 at 7:16 am #

Good.  No candidate should be excluded from a debate.  It doesn’t matter if you like them or not.  Paul shouldn’t of been excluded either, nor Gravel.  It doesn’t matter if they get only one vote, if they’re willing to stay in the race they should not be excluded.

They should ALL have equal time alotted to them DURING a debate also. Why can’t we hear what they have to say?  It’s a mockery of democracy to PRESELECT candidates.  We, as citizens of America have the right to choose who we vote for!  Did you notice the bullshit excuse of “we only have so much time”, really…well find the goddamn time or get off the peoples’ airwaves!

So who are you going to vote for from the preselected candidate list we’ve been issued?  Does anyone wonder why America has one of the lowest voter turnouts.  Our vote has been stripped from us, before we even get to the polling place, or in our car, or walk out our door for that matter.

They’ll spend millions of tax dollars to encourage Americans to vote.  This will give the whitewashed facade of democracy.  After all what do they care, it’s in the bag and the facade doesn’t cost them a dime.

Thank you Dennis…..Give ‘em hell.  Hit them with a lawsuit since the only thing they understand is the ALMIGHTY f**kin dollar….they deserve it.

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By Thomas Billis, January 5, 2008 at 5:12 am #

I knew when he admitted to seeing UFOs this would happen.The UFOs appeared to Kuccinich because as I understand it they thought he was one of them.Looks like bad news for Dennis.If they would only let Martians vote.

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