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U.S. Candidates React to Bhutto Assassination

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Posted on Dec 27, 2007

American presidential contenders from both sides of the aisle sounded off on Thursday about the suicide attack that claimed the life of erstwhile Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto as she was campaigning for a comeback following years of self-imposed exile from her homeland.


Reuters via Dawn:

NEW YORK SEN. HILLARY CLINTON: “Her death is a tragedy for her country and a terrible reminder of the work that remains to bring peace, stability, and hope to regions of the globe too often paralyzed by fear, hatred, and violence.”

CONNECTICUT SEN. CHRIS DODD: “As we recognize the loss of a leader today, we must also recognize the implication of today’s tragedy to the security of the region and to that of the United States. At this critical time we must do everything in our power to help Pakistan continue the path toward democracy and full elections. Our first priority must be to ensure stability in this critical nuclear state.”

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By cyrena, January 1, 2008 at 11:39 pm Link to this comment

She DOES know Arabic, and even though I do NOT, I knew enough to know that the name she was speaking WAS Arabic, or similar enough, just as the languages are similar.

People in Iran speak Persian, and they’re able to communicate, (at least the mainstream population is) with the people in their neighboring state of Iraq, in THEIR Arabic dialect.

DO you suppose that Benazir Bhutto was born and raised in Pakistan, and didn’t know any of the language spoken in Afghanistan?

Douglas, haven’t you figured out yet, that CY has nothing better to do with his time than try to find tiny little things, with his petty little mind, that don’t matter a whit to anyone?

I mean YES, it should matter to the average Joe to know that Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are not ARAB countries per se, though they have Arab populations in the minority. But Pakistan is rarely singled out as a non-Arab country, because it’s not considered part of that Middle East Region in the demographic breakdown. (which also depends on the ‘publisher’ of whatever atlas or publication one is looking at).

At any rate, thank’s for translating the name, which was in fact an Arabic name, which she had thrown off (in the video we were watching)right being both of the OBVIOUSLY Arabic names of OBL and his son, not to mention the others she was rattling off, that I DID recognize as Arabic.

So Douglas, consider the source when you get this kind of petty bullshit.

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By Douglas Chalmers, December 31, 2007 at 11:52 am Link to this comment

“Can an Arabic speaker make out….here?”

By Conservative Yankee, December 31: “Pakistan has never been an “Arabic” nation, nor is Arabic the language of India from which Pakistan separated.  Pashto was spoken in the northern provinces, as was Urdu…”

Uhh, thanks for pointing that out, CY. I forgot all about that when I was searching through the clip. Actually, she was speaking English (to D.Frost) and I had just left what I had copied from cyrena’s query.

Of course, you are right that otherwise she would have most probably spoken in Urdu or Sindi or Pashto or whatever. For all we know, she might have known Arabic as well if she was living in Dubai.

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By Conservative Yankee, December 31, 2007 at 9:54 am Link to this comment
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By Douglas Chalmers, December 31 at 5:44 am #
Can an Arabic speaker make

“Can an Arabic speaker make out the name she is providing here?”

Forgive my ignorance, BUT if BB is speaking Arabic, Why? Pakistan has never been an “Arabic” nation, nor is Arabic the language of India from which Pakistan separated.  Pashto was spoken in the northern provinces, as was Urdu, (the nominally official language of the State, along with English) I’m on dial-up, so I can’t access the video. Is BB in fact speaking Arabic?

maybe the confusion arises from the fact that Persian and some Pakistani languages use the same alphabetical characters?

If BB IS using Arabic, she is speaking in a language fewer than 1% of her countrymen understand. That would (in itself) be a dangerous thing for a leader to do when speaking to folks outside Pakistan.

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By Douglas Chalmers, December 31, 2007 at 6:44 am Link to this comment

Can an Arabic speaker make out the name she is providing here?

By cyrena, December 31: “David Frost Interview with Benazir Bhutto - NOR does David Frost even react. Not a peep from him….”

Well, I’m not an Arabic speaker but she clearly said “Omar Shaikh” who you can find out about easily on the net.

Check it at about 2min 20sec on this more specific clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1uLdmct8_E&feature=related

But, what is more, cyrena, at the beginning at 42sec, BB says that she “could be attacked by…. Hamsa Bin Laden, the son of Osama Bin Laden”. That is possibly to say that OBL has been replaced by his son.

It certainly indicates that she wasn’t in the least mistaken in what she was saying.

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By cyrena, December 31, 2007 at 5:11 am Link to this comment

Ok you guys, is it us, or what?

Paolo posted this interview on the other thread about Who Killed her.

I watched the viedo, and got freaked out, even though I thought the guy had been dead a long time, and she doesn’t say when this happened.

NOR does David Frost even react. Not a peep from him.

So, this is my response to Paolo, after I listened to it. Again I ask, is it us?

Paolo,

You’re right…it’s either gone beyond weird, or I’m just really getting to be a hardened conspiracy theorist.

David Frost Interview with Benazir Bhutto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLItJMVNleY

Can an Arabic speaker make out the name she is providing here? I can’t, at least not enough to spell it correctly. Sounds like maybe Omar as a first name, but I could be wrong, and I definitely can’t come close on the last name. Who can help us out on this one?

Meantime, did you notice how she named one of UBL’s son’s as a possible suspect earlier on, before she got to the part about him being murdered? Nope, she didn’t seem confused or mistaken.

Here’s what seems even stranger to me –now- after viewing the video that you posted on the interview with David Frost and Benazir Bhutto.

Mike Malloy made a real point of saying how and when his producer had come by this tape, and how not ONE SINGLE US media outlet had said a single peep about it. And how, they couldn’t possibly have MISSED it, if HIS producer had found it.

Well, right about that SAME TIME, (because I was up when it came across the feed) up pops the piece on bin Laden’s alleged new audio tape. Well, that just sort of knocked me right off my chair. I was like, where did THIS come from?

Then it goes on to say that it’s the 5th time this year, after a long silence, beginning back in September. Well, I remember the VIDEO, (with the fake Osama) but I don’t remember hearing or reading about any more since then. I don’t get it.

Anyway, if you haven’t seen this one yet, (though now, it’s on Time Mag’s site as well as a couple of others) here’s the link from when it popped up nearly 24 hours ago… (and it’s got that same old photo that we’ve seen of him for the past decade. (not the fake guy) The photo wasn’t in the story yesterday morning.

You’re right. It’s just way beyond weird now.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/30/AR2007123000183.html


And then there’s this too. But, I think I read a similar piece on the NYT yesterday morning. The story keeps changing. I’m confused.


Pakistan Government Skips Autopsy, Shifts Story on How Bhutto Died

  By Saeed Shah and Warren P. Strobel
  McClatchy Newspapers

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/122907Z.shtml

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By cyrena, December 30, 2007 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment

Douglas,
You’re more than welcome. On this…

•  At least Hillary has actually made a stand now whereas Obama has “got to reverse policies” since his other pro-Bush statement in August. It also tends to confirm what she said before that everyone naively criticized about taking the diplomatic process cautiosly step by step.

I missed Obama’s supposed “pro-Bush’ statement in August. I’m not doubting you, but I never read or heard it.

As for the part about Hillary talking about taking the diplomatic process –cautiously- step-by-step, THAT sounds like an oxymoron, not to mention a direct contradiction to her recent Congressional activities. I mean the DIPLOMATIC process is built-in CAUTION, that’s what diplomacy IS!! Surely you don’t think that officially ‘naming’ the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a TERRORIST organization is the least bit ‘diplomatic’ do you?

Now if you’re suggesting that she’s taking it ‘step-by-step’ and ‘cautiously’ because it’s different than the overall saber-rattling that Condi Rice has been involved in, (and diplomacy is supposed to be her job as Sec. of State) than, well…I guess it’s all relative.

But in reality, it’s the WAR mongering that should be exercised cautiously, NOT the diplomacy. Diplomacy is what we’ve had NONE of, for at least 7 years. The only one who sort of half-assed attempted it, was Colin Powell, and he punked out as well. (or got steam rolled.)

So no, I don’t see that part at all. I see that Hillary is a war monger and a power freak, just like the rest. What can I say? I mean, I don’t go along at all, with any the petty and ugly smears that are thrown at her, that have nothing to do with anything. But, I’m not about ignoring what is obvious, including the political games that she’s been playing.

Now, if Obama is doing some flip-flopping of his own, then of course that should be noted as well. So, I’ll try to see if I can find whatever you say was his ‘pro-Bush’ statement. I’m thinking the pressure is starting to get to him. I just read another statement that he made about chasing the terrorists ‘responsible for the deaths of over 3000 Americans’ that he claims are ‘holed-up’ in the mountains of Pakistan. Now, if HE actually believes that, then he’s naïve at best, and that’s not good. Makes him sound like a war monger as well.

So, more proof that politics corrupts. And, if one isn’t corruptible, (at least in the US game) than one doesn’t get any play. We know Dennis Kucinich would be a better choice than both of them at this point.

You’re right about the part of it being a little late, especially on making or taking a stand.

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By Conservative Yankee, December 30, 2007 at 11:07 am Link to this comment
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Chalmers
“Hillary is now focussed in the present, too, despite the illusions of some about her so-called past baggage.”

But she brought her “baggage” with her

In the present she is getting funds from
The Rothschilds
NEWS Corp.
Ron Burkle
Tie these folks to the history of Clinton’s association with Norman Hsu, Johnny Chung, off shore hedge funds through the Cayman’s, and the Marc Rich pardon, and her call for unlimited H1-B. Only a fool would miss that she’s selling the country out from under us.

  She’s a good speaker, I’ll give her that, although she would be better on radio where that self-assured (Bush like) smirk would not be visible.

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By Douglas Chalmers, December 30, 2007 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

Clinton Demands Bhutto Probe, Slams Musharraf

By cyrena, December 30: “If only she (or anybody really) could have done this same thing…”

Thanks for the link, cyrena. I notice the story also contains Obama’s statement. You haven’t compared the two - would you like to analyze that?

At least Hillary has actually made a stand now whereas Obama has “got to reverse policies” since his other pro-Bush statement in August. It also tends to confirm what she said before that everyone naively criticized about taking the diplomatic process cautiosly step by step.

Hillary is now focussed in the present, too, despite the illusions of some about her so-called past baggage. Obama is merely falling about talking of what should have been done in the past. As Wesley Clark said, it is a time for “leadership not politics”.

Also, to the point, she has finally supported Benazir Bhutto’s cause and her party. We are still heading to WW3 - or some regional mini-nuclear war….. its all rather late now, uhh….. but still a good time for impeachment!

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By cyrena, December 30, 2007 at 9:17 am Link to this comment

Ah gee, if only, if only…

If only she (or anybody really) could have done this same thing on a few million OTHER issues…

Like…. 9/11, or the Criminal Cabal, or maybe a little impeachment action, or….I could go on.

Clinton Demands Bhutto Probe, Slams Musharraf
  Agence France-Presse

Saturday 29 December 2007

  Story City, Iowa - Hillary Clinton Friday called for an independent, international probe into Benazir Bhutto’s murder, as the turmoil wracking US anti-terror ally Pakistan reshaped debate in the White House race.

  The Democratic front-runner weighed in on the crisis just six days before first 2008 party nominating contests, as fellow candidates also brandished their national security credentials and experience on the global stage.

  “We need an international, independent investigation into the death of Benazir Bhutto,” Clinton said, drawing applause from an audience in a packed school gymnasium as she campaigned in ice-bound Iowa.

  Clinton paid a personal tribute to the former Pakistani prime minister, and also turned on President Pervez Musharraf, saying he had failed both to usher Pakistan towards democracy, and to crush Al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

  “It is also clear the Bush policy of giving Musharraf a blank check has failed,” Clinton said, adding a Bhutto death probe could mirror the UN inquiry into the killing of Lebanese ex-prime minister Rafiq Hariri in 2005.”

The rest is at the link below…

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/122907A.shtml

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By Blackspeare, December 29, 2007 at 4:16 pm Link to this comment

In the Byzantine world that Pakistan is, assassination is an age old political expediency.  Once the dust settles things will get back to “normal” and Musharaff and his minions will secure their rule and there is no need to worry about the “bomb.”  A strongman rule is needed in Pakistan at the present time and Musharaff is it with charisma, stature, and a great haircut!

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By cyrena, December 29, 2007 at 4:00 am Link to this comment

The Constipated Bobbsey Triplets, eh Shenonymous?

I love it. No question who they are. And, I would add to it, but I actually am trying to clean up my act. I have no idea how long that will last, since I admit it’s mostly just because I need a breather.

Meantime, thanks for the ‘idea jog’ for my overcrowded hard drive of a brain that could use a good defrag. I of course know the Declaration by memory now, but it just occurred to me that some printed copies would be excellent gifts for the kids. As a matter of fact, I’m looking forward to some needlework time, (which I haven’t had in ages) so I might even do a needlepoint version of one to frame. What an excellent gift. Thanks for the idea!

Happy New Year to you as well.

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By cyrena, December 29, 2007 at 3:30 am Link to this comment

Douglas,

Thanks for the geography refresher. I actually knew this, but wasn’t thinking. The context starts to blur without charts/maps in front of me.

I did know that Dubai had sprung up as the Disneyland that you mentioned. (and in less than a decade if I’m thinking right).

So yes, in US distance context, this is no different than LA to San Diego, except of course for all of that oil.

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By Maani, December 28, 2007 at 8:24 pm Link to this comment
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Hey, everybody - have you heard the news?  It seems that the assassination was carried out by…Al Qaeda!  Yup, the all-purpose bogeyman is being trotted out yet again.  So tell me, kiddies, can you spell “never-ending war on terror propaganda?”

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By Shenonymous, December 28, 2007 at 11:05 am Link to this comment

The constipated Bobbsey Triplets are at bashing the lone woman scrapper again.  How true to form of women haters.  You may have scared all the other women away but your pea brains have not scared this one.  We can see at the Bhutto forum how you’all must have jumped with glee at the murder of the woman, Benazir.  Murder is the only way the deviant males of the species can dominate.

All that notwithstanding, a New Year’s gift for you others to download at
http://www.udhr.org/UDHR/default.htm

You might print it out and post it on a wall where you can see it often.

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By Douglas Chalmers, December 28, 2007 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

HILLARY CLINTON: “Her death is a tragedy for her country and a terrible reminder of the work that remains to bring peace, stability, and hope to regions of the globe too often paralyzed by fear, hatred, and violence.”

Bypassing the early-morning drivel (Jeeze!), there is more to Pakistan than we are commonly informed. That includes minor parties with more positive agendas for reform and change who may hold Musharraf to account:-

Imran Khan, Leader, Tehreek-e-Insaf said, “It’s very easy to palm off killing by saying say al-Qaeda or Taliban or terrorists (are behind this). Who is to know what really happened?  There should have been an inquiry exactly after the first attempt against Benazir.  It’s so easy to say al-Qaeda targeted her. There has to be an independent inquiry and at the moment there isn’t any.  Which opposition leader now is going to hold public rallies?” http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/current-affairs/independent-inquiry-should-probe-bhutto-case-imran-khan/17/45/318978


But Tehreek-e-Insaf leader Imran Khan makes an interesting point considering how the authorities in Pakistan have so quickly pinned this murder on Al Qaeada.

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan has “intelligence intercepts” indicating that al Qaeda was behind the killing of opposition leader Benazir Bhutto, the Interior Ministry said on Friday. http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSISL32108820071228?sp=true

http://www.moveforjustice.org/ Tehreek-e-Insaf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSl8Frmz5dg

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By Conservative Yankee, December 28, 2007 at 9:40 am Link to this comment
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122945 by lilmamzer on 12/28 at 7:54 am

“That’s just a breathtakingly stupid comment, Chalmers, even for you.”

lilmamzer, we don’t agree on everything, but we’re real close here! 

....and the left believes it is “right-wingers” who will set off the “Apocalypse” Jeeze!

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By lilmamzer, December 28, 2007 at 8:54 am Link to this comment

#122912 by Douglas Chalmers on 12/28 at 4:55 am

As if India isn’t aready ramping up its plans for a pre-emptive attack, so too must be Israel. As we speak, they are making their preparations and it will take little to set things off. This is the real threat that Iran never was!

That’s just a breathtakingly stupid comment, Chalmers, even for you.

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By PatrickHenry, December 28, 2007 at 8:45 am Link to this comment

Bhuttos death however unfortunate is an internal Pakistani issue.  A monitored democratic vote for Musharraf would tell all, whenever that would be.

The U.S. has no business funding that government or any other, nor should we inject ourselves in their democratic or other form of governmental processes. 

It is exactly this meddling which has a significant number of the world communities against us.

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By Expat, December 28, 2007 at 8:34 am Link to this comment

#122918 by Conservative Yankee on 12/28 at 5:50 am
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Thank you.  That’s what I see.

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By Conservative Yankee, December 28, 2007 at 6:50 am Link to this comment
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#122910 by Expat on 12/28 at 4:50 am

“For these shameless shills, Benazir Bhutto’s assassination is a photo op and an opportunity to tout their alleged leadership ability in a world they want to control.  They are all crap.”

I had planed my own post, BUT no way can I top this… I issue you first prize for this thread!!!

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By Douglas Chalmers, December 28, 2007 at 5:55 am Link to this comment

#122830 by Maani on 12/27: “Bhutto, whatever her failings, was the last best hope for a moderate Pakistan.  In this regard, her assassination may set off a chain of events that will lead to a far worse situation than already exists in what may be a more dangerous tinderbox than Iraq or Iran….”

So true and I have been saying something about this for months. While everybody was pre-occupied with the Neocon primate’s delirious threats against Iran, this was an inevitable disaster ready to unfold one way or another.

As if India isn’t aready ramping up its plans for a pre-emptive attack, so too must be Israel. As we speak, they are making their preparations and it will take little to set things off. This is the real threat that Iran never was!

Sorry to see the last hopes of an equal society for men and women in Pakistan disappear in such a way. And what will happen in the USA now as a result? This is the very threat to security that the Neocons will love to use to sieze total power.


#122894 by cyrena on 12/28: “Mrs. Bhutto’s husband was in Dubai….. when she was in self-exile, it was in the UAE….”

Well, Dubai is one of the UAE emirates, cyrena. Its also a virtual Disneyland compared to the old town on the edge of the desert that it once was. It is the glamor capital of the M.East where once there was a creek with wooden dhows and an oil refinery/pumping complex nearby.

Karachi is only just across the Eastern side of the Gulf of Oman,  and a mere couple of hundred miles from the Straits of Hormuz. That is to say, anything that happens in Pakistan now will significantly affect global oil prices.

Such is the effect of US foreign policy since the Russians were in Afghanistan and the US funding the Mujahadeen via Pakistan, uhh. Its all coming back to haunt everybody now. Musharraf is GWB’s pet…..

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By Expat, December 28, 2007 at 5:50 am Link to this comment

For these shameless shills, Benazir Bhutto’s assassination is a photo op and an opportunity to tout their alleged leadership ability in a world they want to control.  They are all crap.

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By Expat, December 28, 2007 at 5:44 am Link to this comment

#122885 by Thomas Billis on 12/27 at 10:35 pm
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Apparently pretty stupid; there is afterall a lot of evidence.

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By cyrena, December 28, 2007 at 1:15 am Link to this comment

Actually, Bill Richardson had a slightly different (and extended) comment from the others, I’ll quote directly here from the article:

•  BILL RICHARDSON: “The United States government cannot stand by and allow Pakistan’s return to democracy to be derailed or delayed by violence. ... President George W. Bush should press Musharraf to step aside, and a broad-based coalition government, consisting of all the democratic parties, should be formed immediately. Until this happens, we should suspend military aid to the Pakistani government.”

Now, THIS just might be getting at least a little bit closer to the meat of things. We know that Musharraaf and his US supported military regime are perceived (by the Pakistanis) to be the reason for this assassination. All of the others want to use the generic ‘terrorist’ blame, or expand it to Islamic extremist terrorists, without pointing any fingers at genuine real live culprits with names that we can all recognize. How familiar it all sounds, eh?

Meantime, OF COURSE Musharraaf should have been ‘pressed’ to step aside long ago, and of course the Cabal, figure-headed by GW, has done exactly the opposite!!! They’ve given Musharraaf MORE $money$ in the past 6 years, than ANY OTHER REGIME in the world, (with the possible exception of Israel).

Why? Well, ostensibly, it was to fight ‘terrorism’. (I mean, isn’t that the excuse for everything from changing the lightbulbs, to suspending the Constitution?) But, I’ll leave it up to you all, to figure out the real reasons why so many billions of dollars have transferred from our humble hearths, (with no heat forthcoming) to Musharraaf’s pockets.

Meantime, I’m semi-curios about why Mrs. Bhutto’s husband was in Dubai. None of my business I guess, and it may have nothing to do with anything. Still, when she was in self-exile, it was in the UAE. Dubai is not far away, (all things being relative) but as is always with me, I’m suspicious of anything that goes on in Dubai, at least since Cheney moved Halliburton and all of our part of THAT money there.

So, just a thought.

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By sam, December 28, 2007 at 12:10 am Link to this comment
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RE: Post #122885 by Thomas Billis

“To make my point clearer from my earlier post.  If the world is crumbling thanks to the leadership in both parties that brought us to this point.  How could you possibly turn to those complicit in our current problems for answers?  This is like going back to a doctor who screwed up your first surgery to fix it.  It is mind boggling.  How stupid are we as a people?”

Maybe it’s time to become politically active rather than resting on past laurels?

“...nurture the body politic.  The matrix can be defeated, by our taking active part in the body politic, infusing vital popular energy into our constitutional democracy, become personally involved in the 2008 electoral process – Webster Tarpley talked about that.  On the anti-Depopulation matrix platform, there are over 550,000 elected political officers in the USA.  Run for office, work for a candidate, at the municipal, county, state and federal level.  Run, on the 9/11, platform!  Aggressive and – this is what we call ‘multitasking’.  It’s like, we’re the multitask generation, right?  We’re just – these are just parallel tasking.

“Aggressively seek removal, of President George W. Bush, and Vice President Richard B. Cheney, through the constitutional means of article 2, impeachment, or article 3, criminal prosecution for treason, in the 9/11 false-flag attack on the US.  Just keep up the pressure on them!  Tomorrow I’m jumping on a plane – on a train – I’m gunna be there, at 9/11 in front of the White House, march up Pennsylvania Avenue, into the offices, and put it in their face, right?  Why?  Because it’s my right!  And it’s all of our rights.  That’s multi-track [multitasking].

“Publicise the matrix existence, and attack the constitutionality, and legitimacy of its component false-flag laws, and executive orders.  National Security Presidential Directive 51, which is up on the White House website, which says, if there’s a catastrophic emergency, Bush becomes – takes over executive, legislative and judicial offices.  In still of the night they put it up there.  The 42, or more, NSA and CIA operatives, masquerading, as, high-level media executives, made sure that nobody knows about it – we have to make sure that everybody knows about it!

“Create community, and email trees, to coordinate information, and resistance! in the event of a false-flag attack, by the Bush administration, on the population of the USA, or elsewhere in the world.  If you have a hurricane coming, don’t people like put up plywood and get community trees, going?  Aren’t there signs, of a hurricane coming?  Aren’t there signs – there’s presidential candidates – a presidential candidate, Ron Paul got on Alex Jones and said, ‘There’s a hurricane coming!’  Michael Chertoff, the head of Homeland Security has got up and said, ‘There’s a hurricane coming’.  The head of the Republican Party, in Arkansas, got up and said, ‘There’s a hurricane coming!’” - Alfread Webre, 09/07/07 Cooper Union NY. (Starts 55:30 min mark):

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8857832629715387909&q=Jim+Fetzer,+Cooper+Union&total=20&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

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By Thomas Billis, December 27, 2007 at 11:35 pm Link to this comment

To make my point clearer from my earlier post.If the world is crumbling thanks to the leadership in both parties that brought us to this point.How could you possibly turn to those complicit in our current problems for answers?This is like going back to a doctor who screwed up your first surgery to fix it.It is mind boggling.How stupid are we as a people?

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By sam, December 27, 2007 at 11:27 pm Link to this comment
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RE: Post #122876 by Margaret Currey

“when I went to Kerry’s campaigns there was so much security,”

And it continues.  You can’t even ask him—particularly in a raised, and much less agitated voice—if he’s still a fully-fledged paid-up member of “The Order of Skull and Bones,” otherwise known as “The Brotherhood of Death.” (Secret society based at Yale University, in New Haven, Connecticut.  Strange, Mel Gibson now lives in Connecticut too.) 

“Don’t Tase Me, Bro!” Jolts the Web
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/09/dont-tase-me-br.html

By the way was Kennedy’s comment, 

“The very word ‘secrecy’ is repugnant, in a free and open society, and we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.”

what led to his untimely death?  After all such provocative words are a direct threat to “the international war crimes racketeering organisation”.  Eg., “The product of the permanent war economy, is war.  Like people make shoes, they make war – that’s how they make their profit.  To the permanent war economy, war is an industrial activity, created by controlling both sides, of the Hegelian dialectic of enemies.” - Alfred Webre, 09/07/07 Cooper Union NY. (Starts at the 55:30 min mark):

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8857832629715387909&q=Jim+Fetzer,+Cooper+Union&total=20&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

Kennedy’s “The very word ‘secrecy’ is repugnant,” comment from:

Alex Jones ENDGAME part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25yhygUkecE

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By Margaret Currey, December 27, 2007 at 10:26 pm Link to this comment
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The assination of a candidiate could happen here, thankfully there is more security here than one can immagine, when I went to Kerry’s compaigns there was so much security, it was like taking a plane, so if a person was carrying a gun it would be picked up, and that would have been the case with Ms. Bhutto had there been security, not to say it could not happen but this country with its aid could have helped the elections, but since Bush stole the election from Bush would he have helped or would he have talked about security for that nation?.

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By rowdy, December 27, 2007 at 9:11 pm Link to this comment

praise be to jesus! every asshole running for pres. had some soppy liberal/conservative talking point on the tip of their tongue. beyond the fact that one of these fools will end up running this country who fucking cares what they think. they don’t care what the rest of us think.

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By jbart, December 27, 2007 at 4:27 pm Link to this comment
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122828 by Thomas Billis on 12/27 at 2:59 pm
Thomas,
I think what they’re trying to maintain is that as long as “terrorism” stays at the forefront of the “supposed” debate, these guys (who favor the status quo) are given more political-life. Unfortunately, given the historical intellect of the populace-at-large, they’ve got a point. Understand that I’m not a proponent, just a miserable (and getting more miserable with each passing day) realist.
Imagine if I could just win a major “POWERBALL” and have,say, $100M, to offer (which I would give all for this country), I’d put it ALL behind Kucinich.
No B.S., Thomas, ALL. Why? Because, if I had it, and I didn’t feel it could make it possible to make things right, I’d have to “invest” in a “take-out” strategy, involving very bad people required to do very bad things.
Please understand that while I prefer the political solution, I no longer have confidence in it.
And,at my age, I’ve seen too much to hope for things to change through the “legal” voting process. \The 2000 and 2004 were the worst travesty I’ve experienced and I’m now convinced that it won’t do anything to effectively change anything for the betterment of American society.

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By Maani, December 27, 2007 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment
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Setting whether or not ANY candidate “benefits” from this (which I seriously doubt), what saddens me is that Bhutto, whatever her failings, was the last best hope for a moderate Pakistan.  In this regard, her assassination may set off a chain of events that will lead to a far worse situation than already exists in what may be a more dangerous tinderbox than Iraq or Iran.

Peace.  (Or some semblance thereof…)

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By Thomas Billis, December 27, 2007 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment

I must be losing what is left of my mind.I was watching some of the commentaries on who would benefit in their campaigns from the murder of Bhutto and the consensus seemed to be Clinton and McCain.Two of the people who got us into Iraq are somehow in this parallel universe I now live in are being hyped as the ones to handle future problems.What disqualifies you as a world leader in this new world.Complicity in the single worst foreign policy disaster in the history of the United States does not seem to do it.Maybe a pants suit that does not match would do it.I hope that Americans will put down their crayons and get involved.

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