Well Purplewolf, as soon as you told me that there was someone on this site, (where I hadn’t remembered responding – at least not in reference to the article itself) who was DISSING us both, I knew it could only be one of three people. And, I was right. CY REALLY has a problem with me. It’s so bad, that it colors all of his thinking, so all he can do is react, no matter what I actually write, it’s just because I wrote it. (he’s not overly fond of women who talk or have opinions - needless to say, that puts me on his shit list)

So CY, allow me to explain this thing that has you shaking your head, and be advised that I’m not talking about the detention camps. You can take that up with Purplewolf. Here’s what you attempted to ‘quote’ from me, that you didn’t understand, probably because you lifted it out of context with the rest of the post..

•  Cyrena
(some folks don’t even get that “The State” IS the US Federal government,)

“See, this is the kind of stuff that has ME shaking my head…This OBVIOUS building of “camps” by Purplewolf, and the “I’m in the know…unlike most folks ... attitude by Cyrena is the stuff of cults and science fiction.”

Cults and science fiction, eh? Well CY, seeing as you’re as old as dirt, you probably DO know that the ‘State’ is the Federal Government.(of ANY nation or country)

Unfortunately, (as a result of our EXCEEDINGLY poor educational system) there are a lot of people who would say to that, “what state are you talking about?” California, Arkansas, maybe MAINE?

So, while you’re certainly well within reason for ‘shaking your head” that someone MIGHT NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE, you better not try and come down out of those forests, because if you start mingling with society a bit, you’ll just be shaking your head right OFF big guy!! I don’t think that kind of “unawareness” ignorance has anything to do with cults or science fiction. It’s just the modern day stupidity. And, it’s pretty amazing that you haven’t noticed it before, seeing as you DO read this site.
So no, I’m not ‘in the know’ anymore than YOU are, -IN THIS CASE-. So, take your attitude somewhere else, and get off my back. If you want to respond to something I say that you don’t like, pick something that isn’t so flippin’ PETTY.

As for the detention centers, you’ll have to take that up with purplewolf,  (or wherever else you heard it, since you’ve said you’ve heard this so frequently) because I wouldn’t begin to know where to tell you to start looking. (guess I’m not so ‘in the know’ after all, eh?)  And, since I’m not planning any trips to Maine, I don’t much care if you find one there or not. One thought though…It’s highly unlikely that it has a newly paved road leading to it, with a nice gigantic sign that says…FEMA CENTER..5 miles, and then left…I doubt if they’re located on any maps either.

But hey. Now that I think about it…since you’ve made this offer, let me check around. I’ll see if I can find one for you to take a photo of. I’ll be sure and send you all of the secret directions, and the code words and everything that you’ll need to get in.

Now don’t get it mixed up with Ft. Benning, there in Georgia. That one is certainly equipped. (although they don’t call it a FEMA detention center of course…that would take all of the fun out of it.)
And, I doubt you’ll make it all the way to Arizona, so we don’t have to worry about you getting confused on that facility.

So, let me just get to work on this, and get you a treasure hunt map for Maine.

WAIT!! I just figured it out Conservative Yankee; or at least the best place to check first. Why don’t you head out to KENNEBUNKPORT!! And, don’t forget your camera. Better bring all of your guns with you too, just to be on the safe side. We wouldn’t want them to accidently think of detaining –YOU-; now would we?

I did post this on another thread, but I wanted to make it available to as many of you as I could, in the articles that are most directly connected.

Ok Joe, and this is actually for EVERYONE who actually is serious about these issues at hand. When you claimed that Ron Paul supporters are actually well read, I had to really bite my tongue; because of course it’s obvious that this too, is another matter of ‘relativity’. And, it’s not my intention to sound condescending, -at all-. But, the fact of the matter is that the crises we’re faced with is not, and cannot, be boiled down to simple issues of intervention v non-intervention, or immigration, or ‘civil liberties” v the opposite, or corporatism/privatization (they are the same, and most folks don’t even get that) and it’s relation to the State. (some folks don’t even get that “The State” IS the US Federal government,) or the market/economy.
All of these are connected, and none of them can be appropriately discussed in stand- alone terms. Unfortunately, that’s what much of the discourse here attempts to do, and even the most ‘well read’ among us, are not able to connect the dots in a way that is required. (if only because time and space don’t really permit that). More than anything though, we lack an historical context in most of these discussions. And, that is a common issue for MOST Americans. It’s just the way it is.
Anyway, rather than me try to address each one of these things separately, or to even deal with the issue of candidates and the upcoming election, it makes far more sense to share what I think will provide any REAL ‘thinkers” with some ‘prompts’ of things to consider, so that you all can try to connect the dots on your own, or at least get an idea of how things effect outcomes, and how it’s ALL inter-related.
Now this is an interview from what is actually my very favorite website. It’s been around a while now, as it provides a superior portal for anyone who really does wish to integrate their knowledge of the BIG PICTURE.
This is an interview with Naomi Klein, the author of several excellent works, but this is on her most recent, “The Shock Doctrine.” I read it when it first became available, and it will be included in the works for a course/seminar in my field, in the upcoming academic term. The course is on “The Authoritarian State”.
The interview is outstanding, as is the website overall. The editors frequently publish interviews and reports of enormous significance, again..to the overall picture that concerns us all, collectively and individually. If you can read Namoi’s book, all the better. But at least this will provide a bit of insight to what is FOUNDATIONAL, because the rest of this discourse is otherwise pretty useless without it.
So, here is the link. The interview is in two parts, and I noticed that I had to fiddle with the controls on the second part, because the appropriate ‘play arrow’ didn’t appear on my screen. That just may have been a fluke with my system.
Enjoy the knowledge. I hope you’ll find some value here, and make some ‘connections’ of your own.

Naomi Klein on
the Shock Doctrine

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/122807J.shtml

“Seems that Bush is following in Hoovers footsteps. He would think nothing of abducting people whom he doesn’t like, or who object to him or his policies…”

By PatrickHenry, December 29: “In alot of ways Rudy G. reminds me of Hoover.

By purplewolf, December 27: “Hammo, most of us here already know that Herr Bush has the housing arrangements up and running in all 50 states, 600+ camps….

They must see all of us as dangerous people, uhh. All you “left-wing bloggers” - Bush just loves us, ha ha!

In alot of ways Rudy G. reminds me of Hoover.

Maybe its the dress or the willingness to violate other Americans civil rights.

A bit of clarification about avian flu virus. Currently, it does not spread from person to person like the common flu. It only spreads from birds directly to humans in close contact with the infected birds, and I believe the virus has also mutated to spread to some other mammals directly from birds.

The concern by scientists worldwide is that the virus will mutate to a strain that will spread directly from human to human. This apparently is a distinct possibility.

If or when that happens, it might resemble the “Spanish” flu pandemic of 1918.

According to Wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu):
“The 1918 flu pandemic (commonly referred to as the Spanish flu) was a category 5 influenza pandemic that started in the United States, appeared in West Africa and France and then spread to nearly every part of the globe. It was caused by an unusually severe and deadly Influenza A virus strain of subtype H1N1. Many of its victims were healthy young adults, in contrast to most influenza outbreaks which predominantly affect juvenile, elderly, or otherwise weakened patients.”

“The Spanish flu pandemic lasted from March, 1918, to June, 1920,[1] spreading even to the Arctic and remote Pacific islands. While older estimates put the number of killed at 40–50 million people, current estimates are that 50 million to 100 million people worldwide died, possibly more than that taken by the Black Death. This extraordinary toll resulted from the extremely high infection rate of up to 50% and the extreme severity of the symptoms.”

“Influenza may have killed as many as 25 million in its first 25 weeks (in contrast, AIDS killed 25 million in its first 25 years). Older estimates say it killed 40–50 million people[5] while current estimates say 50 million to 100 million people worldwide were killed.[6] This pandemic has been described as “the greatest medical holocaust in history.’”

Hammo, most of us here already know that Herr Bush has the housing arrangements up and running in all 50 states, 600+ camps. Just in case of whatever excuse he decides to come up with for making sure their occupancy is full. The excuse made for the use of these FEMA concentration camps/relocation centers is if there were a mass exodus of illegals fleeing this country they would be rounded up and placed in these facilities is about a lame as they come. The Avian flu pandemic is a red herring. Not enough people worldwide have died of it to legitimately be considered a pandemic, another lame excuse. There are other diseases that have a much higher death rate than the Avian flu.

Seems that Bush is following in Hoovers footsteps. He would think nothing of abducting people whom he doesn’t like, or who object to him or his policies and sending them to these death camps and feel totally justified in his twisted view of reality.After all he is the decider. Wonder if he wears a dress like J.Edgar and Rudi do?

Hoover was a sympton.We must look to the people in power who allowed this cancer to form a KGB operation in the heart of our government.I lived through the sixties and I wish I could say I am surprised that Hoover wrote a memo circumventing all law in the United States.If you older readers remember this piece of shit was never mentioned in a campaign nor was his power ever challenged by the so called liberal politicians who were “guarding our freedoms”.I have always looked at the naming of the FBI building in his honor as a victory for gay and cross dressing citizens so I do not have to get physically sick every time I hear his name.

Several kinds of scenarios could lead to a martial law-type “round-up” as Hoover envisioned, or other restrictions of constitutional rights.

A scenario somewhat below the radar of many people is contingency planning in the event of an outbreak of an avian flu pandemic.

A situation like this might lend much support to martial law kinds of actions, because it would seem justified due to public health concerns.

More on this in the article ...

“Avian flu outbreak in U.S. could lead to quarantines; Bush advocates use of military”

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=11919

#122736 by Conservative Yankee: ” Hoover (and his tenure) is symptomatic of out terminally ill political process….”

Well, then it must have started back in WW2 in the early 1940’s and well before the US/Allies invasion of Italy. That was when they used the US mafia’s connection to get “intelligence” on the Nazis and the German armed forces there.

But his connection with those gangsters no doubt went back much further to the 1920’s-30’s, uhh.  The Palmer Raids of 1920 tend to verify his methods and game plan. Incredible how the USA is still employing such nut cases in its federal administration.

In 1919, J. Edgar Hoover was put in charge of a new division of the Justice Department’s Bureau of Investigation, the General Intelligence Division. By October 1919, Hoover’s division had collected 150,000 names in a rapidly expanding index. Using this information, starting on November 7, 1919, BOI agents, together with local police, orchestrated a series of well-publicized raids against suspected radicals and foreigners, using the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918. Palmer and his agents were accused of using torture and other controversial methods of obtaining intelligence and collecting evidence on radicals, including informers and wiretaps…. Quote Wiki

Nice too, that the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that American citizens cannot be denied habeas corpus and is expected to rule on whether some 300 non-citizens held at the detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, should enjoy that right - but only several years after their detention and the war on terror is effectively over. So convenient!