#121214 by Mr JJ

Thanks Mr JJ. I was connecting these dots myself. (except of course that looking at his record, Mukasey has presided over so many of the ‘terrorist’ trials, that I had forgotten all about his connection to Padilla).

So, I second Non Credo.

Meantime, it’s not ironic that Padilla himself has since been tortured out of his mind, and locked up for life. We don’t know if the guy ever did anything at all.

These dirty bastards. I swear I hate ‘em.

The DOJ has also refused to hear the multiple testimonies of the rape victims of Halliburton/KBR.

#121295 by Louise on 12/19 at 11:54 am
Hi Louise,
I got it the first time. (from this – your original post) I guess you were too nice, so they missed the questions…All pretty much have the same answer..
• Ok, lets stop being nice and ask a few questions.
• Why did the CIA feel a need to record the torture in the first place?
You guessed it. Because the perverts who ordered it are sick, sick, SOB’s.

• Was it so the video could be shown to the fellows in the White House who ordered the torture?
Yep, same as above. Do you remember how DESPERATELY HARD Dick Cheney fought to make sure that the CIA would be EXCLUDED for the re-affirmation of what was already the highest law of all the lands – the PROHIBITION against torture? Remember that? McCain had to re-introduce that bill to prohibit torture, even though it was ALREADY prohibited, everywhere in the world, and especially for anyone signed on the UN Convention prohibiting torture.

Well, Cheney was sweating bullets in his impassioned plea to Congress, to make sure that the CIA could continue to do it, even if nobody else could.

And WAIT! That’s not all. He was SPECIFICALLY emphatic about the sexual perversion. Yep, he wanted that to remain allowable by the CIA, fell under the “acts or assaults on human dignity”, (among other things) part of it, and Gonzo was his major backup for the legal argument. Now you can just LOOK at Gonzo and tell his pervert. And you can just LOOK and listen to Cheney, and know he’s a sadistic psychopath. And georgie the addict probably felt like it was the ultimate frat party porn. Bet he even had on his cowboy hat and holster, yelling “get them Arabs through the entire screening!

• And why would they want to watch it?

Because they’re sick f***ing perverts and sadists!

• Is that the real reason the tapes were destroyed?

Yeah, but look how long they kept them around for their viewing pleasure. Not to mention the fear they could instill in the other detainees to show them what was in store for them as well. Sick bastards.

• So no one would get around to asking the highest in the land, “fellows, why did you want to see those tapes anyway?”

That’s why. Even if a few of them (like Harriet Miers)didn’t watch themselves, they must all know by now what sick bastards the whole bunch of them are, and they were all too cowardly to say anything.

So, yes. I definitely ‘got it’.

#121301 by 1dree5

“Louise, all interrogations/confessions are, as a worldwide standard procedure, recorded. Same as even your traffic ticket is completed with all possible pertinent informations .... its the same principal applied at different levels of “Law Enforcement”

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Thanks, I knew that. Guess my subtle hint that Bush and his favorite Dick might be sadists flew under the radar.

Fact is, the sadists who ran Nazi Germany had an obsessive passion for keeping records of everything, which proved to be a valuable aid in bringing them to trial. Their particular brand of attention to detail led to their own convictions.

Maybe that’s why those CIA tapes had to be destroyed. Even though the repubs have passed legislation providing the torturers retroactive immunity from prosecution, the administration, and possibly a lot of congressaurs and office holders, by the very fact of their “third party” denial and professed ignorance, leave themselves open to being charged with war crimes. Maybe we’ll never see another congress with courage, but there is the world to think about. After all it was not a German court or German political party that brought the German Nazis to accountability. It was the world!

Lots of former “decent” politicians in Germany found themselves sitting on the defendant side of that court. Amazing how quickly high standards can unravel when someone makes the conscious choice to look the other way. Eventually indifference turns into acceptance, and then accompliss.

Is impeachment still off of the table?

Ok, lets stop being nice and ask a few questions.

Why did the CIA feel a need to record the torture in the first place?

Was it so the video could be shown to the fellows in the White House who ordered the torture?

And why would they want to watch it?

Is that the real reason the tapes were destroyed?

So no one would get around to asking the highest in the land, “fellows, why did you want to see those tapes anyway?”

The only thing they have to do is keep the President out of the loop.How hard can it be to keep a chimp out of the loop?Here Zippy fetch the bananna.So no matter what they do there is always commutation or a pardon waiting at the end of it.Also remember they only have to outsmart the Democrats.Another case of how hard can that be?P.S.Nancy Pelosi is huddled with her Constitutional experts to see if there are any other parts of the Constitution she can “take off the table”.What a country.James Madison and Alexander Hamilton among others put the parts of the Constitution on the table and a dimwit like Nancy Pelosi takes them off.

But impeachment is off the table? Where did America go?  I thought we stood up to countries that tortured and kill whole cities as being bad, now its policy and the records are erased, people are detained indefinitely without access to lawyers or the Red Cross?...Wait is that a knock on my door?…

Sorry after a little conditioning from the Department of Homeland Security, I Love Big Brother now.

There are no coincidences. The fire is another means to cover their asses.

And Ryan this is not really a new low for this administration, it is only the tip of the iceberg, they can and will go much, much lower.

#121214 by Mr JJ on 12/19 at 6:19 am:

Very good point.