re:  #121128 by troublesum

Yes I agree with you, it is somewhat surreal.

RE: #121104 by PatrickHenry on 12/18

I see you didn’t address the fact that with the dissolution of taxes there wouldn’t be ANY CREDIT TO TAKE FOR THOSE TEACHERS.  So the “gesture” it seems according to Paul way of doing things would be meaningless.  I would and do support teacher/instructor/professor increases in income.  I see it as an investment and a worthy one at that.

As it is PatrickHenry, I do know about the human reproductive cycle.  And possibly if YOU were MORE aware you would have understood the fact that for humans a fertilized egg still has somewhat of a journey ahead before it could even be CONSIDERED a viable fetus.  I used the “chicken egg” analogy to underscore how seriously “crackpot” Paul’s stance is considering he is supposedly a qualified obstetrician.  His position regarding this very important issue is misleading….to say the least.

PatrickHenry:  It is very easy to be for someone without looking at the record too closely.  I’m not for anybody at this point.  The president is at 28% in the polls; upwards of 70% of the people want out of the war; about 55% think Cheney should be impeached; and democrats in Washington are walking around with their thumbs up their asses.  I’ve never seen anything like it.  I can’t figure out WTF is going on.

Icing on the cake.

http://www.whowouldtheworldelect.com/

re: #121115 by troublesum

Fox or CNN polls , your probably right.

Although he smoked both of them real time after debates.

Who are you for?  Its so eay to be against someone.

Regardles of how much money he raises, Ron Paul will never be higher than 3 to 5 per cent in national polls.  White supremists are such crowd pleasers.

re:  #121110 by troublesum

You sound pretty pathetic sitting around watching videos like that all day.

Americas diverse community has supremacists of every stripe, academics and corpratists who don’t mouth the words but act upon them.  Each of them has the person who they would like to see in the White House.  Sort of a Hinkley - Jody Foster relationship.

I once saw a video of one of the white supremist groups which has endorsed Ron Paul training their young children in the fine points of racial hatred.  In the video a woman said to her son who looked to be about 6 or 7 years old: “Who do ya hate Billy?”
Billy: “I hate niggers and Jews.”  Mother:  Whatcha goin’ to do when you grow up Billy.”  Billy: “Gunna kill niggers and Jews.”  Ron Paul takes money from these people, welcomes their endorsements, and has refused through several election cycles to repudiate their support.  I take that as an indication that he shares their beliefs if not their goals or the means they have in mind for achieving them.
Paul reminds me of a doctor in my own state who became something of a right wing lunatic after getting in trouble with the IRS.  Government became the enemy, and since the poor and minorities benefit most from entitlement programs (they cost a lot and keep taxes up) they became the enemy too.  Money is always the issue with libertarians.  The war is wrong because it costs too much.

re: #121004 by Outraged

I went to the ER years ago to get stitches on my hand, when I recieved the bill it was from the doctor for $180, a week later I recieved a bill from the hospital (insurance, overhead, profit) for $260.

I see what RP means in this.

The president doesn’t have the power to abolish the income tax, he would have to lobby the congress and I’m know it would be gradual, in the meantime honoring one of the most under appreciated trades (teaching) with a tax break would pass Congress easily, especially if the congress was veto proof democratic majority.

The borders have been in need of being beefed up for some time, the illegal alien population in this country proves that.  The chain to the anchor babies needs to be removed somehow.  There are protocols in place to immigrate to this country legally and they should be observed.

Obviously you know more about chickens than human beings.  This is a states right issue as some communities (and doctors) don’t want abortion or have to perform abortions on demand in their private hospitals.

Scrutiny this:

Alan Keyes polls higher nationally:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/061338.php

Ron Paul has some questionable “fixes” for America:
From Ron Paul’s site:

“Giving doctors the freedom to collectively negotiate with insurance companies and drive down the cost of medical care.”

**That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.  Apparently Paul believes DOCTORS will drive down the cost of medical care.  Aside from doctors who volunteer, when have DOCTORS ever driven DOWN the cost of medical care…!!?  All Paul is doing is shifting the ability to profit from one group to another.

“Another bill I have sponsored, H.R. 1059, allows full-time elementary and secondary teachers a $3,000 yearly tax credit, thus easing their financial burden and encouraging good teachers to stay in an underpaid profession.”

**How will Paul give a “tax credit” to teachers if he does away with the income tax?  Of course, this would be meaningless for the recipients.

“Years of centralized education have produced nothing but failure and frustrated parents.”

**This type of blanket statement is PURE rhetoric.  It’s easy to find FAILURE AS WELL AS SUCESSES in our school systems, which by the way are RUN locally with state oversight.

“It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

Physically secure our borders and coastlines.”

**If you like freedom then you may want to address the fact that the type of “PHYSICAL SECURITY” Paul endorses, keeps you IN as well as everyone out.  THAT IS ISOLATIONIST…PURE AND SIMPLE.

“End birthright citizenship.”

**Paul says this in the context of “immigration reform” but this road goes both ways.  Which means, if taken to an extreme that even NATIVE AMERICANS don’t have citizenship here in America, though definitely ALL those of European descent will have to “earn” their citizenship, apparently INCLUDING HIM.  Your children, my children nor anyone will be considered CITIZENS!  That’s crazy…...

“In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.”

“In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, HR 1094.”

**Paul “never once considered performing an abortion” (and we’re just supposed to BELIEVE THAT….right!).  Paul NEVER found abortion necessary to save THE LIFE OF A PREGNANT WOMAN.  Well, that could be read two ways.  While there is truth to the fact that the physiological changes in a woman’s body during pregnancy CAN serve to “protect” her, those same physiological changes COULD TAKE HER LIFE.  It depends on MANY factors.

The fact that Paul claims: “nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman” HE didn’t find it necessary, so I’m left wondering…did any of his pregnant women patients die….or did they need to seek a more reasonable doctor?

His legislation “life” begins at conception, he knows is a lie, at least if he’s any kind of obstetrician at all.  Conception simply IS a fertilized egg.  Anyone who’s ever eaten “farm eggs” knows that one can eat a fertilized egg and not know the difference, you just crack it in the pan and IT’S AN EGG!  The fact that it is fertilized is not apparent and is immaterial as you fry it up.  Yes..I know…one doesn’t NEED a rooster to get eggs, however for those that have a rooster and also hens KNOW that you cannot tell the difference UNLESS you INCUBATE it, or the hen does!  Many people, especially “back when” ate FERTILIZED EGGS and never knew the difference.  So were they eating UNBORN CHICKENS!  Ridiculous….

I could go on and on.  Paul’s positions on many topics warrant MUCH further scrutiny.

Ron Paul has never voted to raise taxes, opts out of the lucrative congressional pension plan, and consitently returns a portion of his congressional budget to congress each year. How is he a neo-con? How is he corrupt? And the idea that libertarians love strong centralized government? That’s a contradiction in terms.
Anyone who listens to the man’s stances on the issues may not agree with him, but will walk away with respect for the man. Read just one of his speeches at http://www.ronpaullibrary.com and tell me he’s still a neo-nazi.

#120905 NONCREDIBILITY:  Paul has been endorsed by the major white supemicist organizations and that’s enough for me.

After Ron Paul took on the neo-fascist fear-mongering warlords in the early debates, i’ll admit that i thought to myself, “now here’s a tolerable Republican…” until i paid a little more attention to how he would “fix” our government.  His aims of dismantling, say, the EPA in the name of doing away with “Big Government” is dangerous and inconsistent with the purported goal of protecting the citizenry from the greed and corruption of America Inc. i would say that a less drastic approach, such as appointing informed persons with a solid track record and a background in fields appropriate to their respective government positions makes more sense than deregulation. It is my understanding that regulations are generally put in place to protect the quality of life of those who are being taken advantage of by forces who would either willfully or unwittingly undermine it. i have little faith that unregulated industry in this country would willfully submit to practices which, though ethical, would increase operating costs.

Regardless of what any candidate would like to do to change the status quo in Washington they will need the support of Congress in order to pass meaningful legislature. Until enough corrupt individuals are replaced (by us) with people of integrity who have integrity and are able to answer to the higher calling of public service rather than self-service, we will see no meaningful changes. Government is not the enemy—not even Big Government, just Bad Government. Ron Paul is trying to capitalize on Reagan Era pro-business rhetoric, just as almost every candidate from the GOP is trying to invoke the Gipper. But it’s just nostalgia with little basis in fact and it’s jingoist bull$#!t. An educated electorate would be the most fearsome storm to descend on DC, so smarten up! We have to stop repeating the false refrain about big money owning Washington and remember to whom the government belongs: the people, the citizen, the voter.

Ron Paul represents one of the most conservative and wealthy districts in Texas.  He didn’t win that seat by talking about the needs and concerns of ordinary Americans.  Wake up.

#120799 by measles

•  Libertarianism has gotten a bad name, what with its association with anarchism and all, and republicans these days are usually anything but conservative. Anyone who really listens to HIS stances on the issues rather than stereotypical libertarian stances on the issues would see that his policies aren’t as “dangerous” as many would think.

Actually measles, herein lies the danger. You’re right about the repugs these days being anything BUT ‘conservative’. They’re as radical as the extreme manic edge of a manic bipolar. But the problem is NOT that Libertarianism has gotten a bad name, because Ron Paul does not represent Libertarianism. That’s just the drug he’s chosen to use. Ron Paul is no more about freedom and liberty than the Saudi Arabian Monarchy. So, it’s also true that his REAL ideology is NOT about the stereotypical Libertarian ideology either. No, his REAL ideology is the same as the repugs, of which he is one. If he was that different from the repugs, he wouldn’t have consistently voted WITH them, in the past 10 terms of his congressional representation, and he would not have a record of consistently trying to weaken the Constitution, such as in Brown v Board of Education, or Roe v Wade, and his recent move to thwart resolution to impeach the chief devil.

That’s why his supporters (and I’m not talking about the John Birch Society or the KKK, which is where I suspect most of the money has come from) but his supporters that claim to be inspired by his ‘message’, should check the record, against his ‘message’.

The ‘message’ sounds just wonderful, especially for die hard repugs, who could never consider a democrat for office, and they’re desperately left without a choice, after seeing the repugs have done for the past decade or more.

But the ‘message’ is full of deceit, and Ron Paul would put an end to the United States of America as it was originally envisioned, and set that Constitution a burnin’ from the ashes that are left of it now.

Now Non Credo, it might seem like a smear to call him a neo-nazi, but he identifies with them in his speech and his actions, even if he does it in “code”, that obviously misses the masses.

Ron Paul is like treating a dog for heartworm. They use arsenic, and hope that it’s only enough to kill the worms, without killing the dog too. I’m not willing to take the chance.

The question is, how much of that money came from white supremicist organizations?

Bwah?  Measles, I think you’ve got your political ideologies confused.  American libertarians are poorly-read anarchists.  Unlike the latter, libertarians are blind to one kind of concentrated power and arbitrary authority. 

With libertarians, it’s terrible when a government bureaucrat tells you what to do, but when a corporate paper-pusher tells you what to do, that’s A-OK.  Anarchists don’t display the same puzzling inconsistency.

re: #120882 by 911truthdotorg

Remember Rudy leads all the creationist polls.

From Larry King/CNN:

Quick Vote

Who’s your pick for the Republican Presidential Nominee?

Rudy Giuliani   3%    655
Mike Huckabee   25%    5666
Duncan Hunter   0%    68
John McCain   3%    567
Ron Paul   64%    14299
Mitt Romney   3%    780
Tom Tancredo   0%    99
Fred Thompson   1%    195

Total Votes: 22329

This is not a scientific poll

I HOPE THE ONLY ABORTION HE PREFORMS IS GETTING BUSH AND THE REST OF THE NEOCONS OUT OF OUR GOVERNMENT….

Frightening that a neo-nazi can raise this kind of money in one day.

I went to hear Ron Paul in Elko NV this past Friday. He gave the most inspired political speech since I heard JFK speak way back when. As an FDR democrat, it was hard for me to leave Kucinich and back RP. RP said that if we are tired of our big, impotent government being run by the big-money and special interest lobbies in DC, then we have to dismantle the federal government, so the big-money won’t have an empire to control. It’s true. Big-money will never give up control of our government voluntarily, and there will never be a majority of politicians courageous enough to give big money the boot. So rather than have a big gov. controlled by big money, I agree with RP to return the power to the states & counties, where residents have more control.

Ron Paul is more the candidate for Americans than a candidate for a political party. He his the champion of the Constitution and has always voted in accordance with the Constitution. His message of freedom, liberty , peace and prosperity unites us. This is why he raised over $6 million from over 58,000 donors in one day.

Of all the people in the congress Paul and Kucinich see eye to eye on many issues.  They have been pretty much been above the fray of candidate vs candidate sniping ala Hillary/Obama, Romney/Huckabee.

Bickering wastes time and time is of the essence if we are to turn this country around from a debtor to a lender nation once again.

To Thomas, he is really quite a moderate libertarian. Ronald Reagan once noted that libertarians and truly conservative republicans are pretty much on the same page on the issues. Libertarianism has gotten a bad name, what with its association with anarchism and all, and republicans these days are usually anything but conservative. Anyone who really listens to HIS stances on the issues rather than stereotypical libertarian stances on the issues would see that his policies aren’t as “dangerous” as many would think.

Good for Ron Paul.I suspect that the people who are donating do not really know the stands most Libertarians have on most issues but that someone who is as disgusted as most of the people on Truthdig with the trashing of the Constitution I applaud him.

The doctor is in.