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Dodd Gears Up for FISA FilibusterPosted on Dec 17, 2007
Sen. Chris Dodd is preparing to take to the Senate floor with a filibuster to thwart the legislative advancement of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act if it doesn’t include his proposed amendment, co-sponsored with Sen. Russ Feingold, that would prevent the Bush administration from retroactively letting big telecom companies off the hook for allowing the government to conduct warrantless surveillance on their networks.
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By VillageElder, December 18, 2007 at 7:48 pm Link to this comment
Today the FCC reversed a 30 year old ruling about multiple types of media being owned by one company. Watch for the return of one company owning the newspaper, a tele station and both AM and FM stations in the same market. Ain’t freedom of speech and freedom of the press a wonderful thing insuring that all views are represented? I think its time for my meds again ...
Report thisBy purplewolf, December 18, 2007 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment
My phone company just gave themselves another rate increase of 17% in Novembers billing. Are they expecting lawsuits anytime soon or is it just plain greed. It seems ironic that we have to pay more all the time for this intrusion of our non-existant privacy, if anything, those who want this so called important information should be the ones paying for the extra cost for the services they want and not the “little people” who own the phones they tap. After all if we want something we are expected to pay for it ourselves and not shift the expenses of wanted items onto others. The same should apply to Bush/Cheney, after all they have money and lots of it.
Shouldn’t they be paying us for providing them with some first rate entertainment that I am certain they hear while illegally listening to our phone conversations. And I am not talking about anything illegal either.
Report thisBy GB, December 18, 2007 at 12:05 pm Link to this comment
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As soon as the Republican controlled FCC gives the bloated media more control over communication, the Bush crimes will become law in no time.
Report thisI have to laugh (and cry) at the fact that most (popular) newspaper outlets are complaining about losing readership as if they don’t know by not reporting what effects Americans most, like how important Dodd’s fillibuster was, and the truth people become appothetic to them allowing Bush/Cheney to get away with phony wars that kill innocent Americans and foriegn nationals, stripping our rights based on phony fear threats, torture, and theft of billions of dollars etc….
If they appeal to their real base, the people of this country, they wouldn’t need to sell out to Murdock and our Congressmen might do the job they get paid to do.
By Thomas Billis, December 18, 2007 at 10:22 am Link to this comment
Let me see if I understand this.The King breaks the law and compels companies to break the laws and then no one prosecutes the King and the Congress gives the companies immunity.To paraphrase Mel Brooks"it is good to be the King”.Forget the Constitution we do not even have a Magna Carta.At least with the Magna Carta the King had to follow some rules.To allow the telecom companies and the King to violate the law and for neither one to have any sanctions is a farce on its face.Dictators always have the noblest of intentions that is why our Founders depended on the rule of law not the rule of man.Our King George may have the noblest of intentions but in our system if you are caught breaking the law someone has to pay.By the way if anybody lives in Count Rockefeller’s protectorate in West Virginia my heart goes out to you.How can you be head of the intelligence committee if you do not have any.
Report thisBy The Village Idiot, December 18, 2007 at 10:13 am Link to this comment
So does anybody else think it’s very strange that confronting such an important issue to Americans as this (determining if and how extensively some corporations and government agencies and officials worked together to egregiously violate the Constitutional Rights of American citizens) is going to be dependent on how long a single senator can remain standing in one spot, with no “potty breaks”?? Isn’t that more of a fraternity initiation ritual than serious governance? And isn’t reliance on such flimsy technicalities really a sign that there are no real, substantive options left at this point? Then again, Congress suffers an excess of lawyers, and this is the kind of gesture they understand so maybe there’s something worthwhile that will come of it; we’ll see I suppose, but I doubt that slipping on some NASA-approved diapers and hogging the mic is gonna do it.
Report thisBy lodipete, December 18, 2007 at 9:15 am Link to this comment
Write/phone/email your senators,especially if they’re democrats, to advise them just how Orwellian/totalitarian this bill is and to advise them that yes votes for this bill will have consequences. These guys are turning the US legal code inro a rock from which all manner of maggots can run under and hide from the light of day.
Report thisBy cyrena, December 18, 2007 at 4:57 am Link to this comment
#120854 by Robert Giacobbe
Ah Robert Giacobbe,
You are so right about the reasons why we need to make sure they dont get away with this, and are allowed retroactive immunity, because of the legal wizards (you didnt include cheneys ace, David Addington, but thats OK he maintains a spot very well below the radar, along with the rest of Cheneys hand picked legal wizards).
Thing IS though, of those that you have mentioned, (as well as Gonzo and the others cant forget Gonzo) it isnt so much THEIR legal wizardry but MORE the stupidity/incompetence/cowardice of all the rest of our elected officials, that have allowed them to get away with all of this. Any member of Congress, and ALL members of the Judiciary knew very well that all of these things were constitutionally ILLEGAL, and they let a lot of this stuff pass. Even the revised FISA last summer, when george threatened to keep them in session, and not allow them to go on recess until they gave him continued authority to do what he had been doing illegally, was NOT necessary. The old rules never prevented them from wiretapping suspected terrorists, and the new ones didnt help them.
So, the legal wizards are nothing more than patsy con-artists, doing the bidding of Dick Cheney, (its not like george knows a thing about any laws, and never has at least not without one of his many advisors telling him and writing it down for him to sign).
As for the THREAT of possible accountability, they already KNOW that. Thats why they hustled through the military commissions act, as well as the revised FISA and so many others. They know damn well that once theyre out of office, they are fair game for prosecution on so many levels. And, theyve known it for a while. Lord knows there are enough of us rubbing our hands together, just waiting to get them into multiple trials/tribunals/etc here, there, every damn where!! Im hoping to see em at The Hague, even if just as an observer.
But, since they DO know this, I expect them to make a quick getaway, long before we can catch them. Cheney to Dubai, and georgie to Paraguay. (or close by in Argentina). So, if theres gonna be any accountability, we need to get them before that happens.
Still, Im with you. I have dreams
Go Senator Dodd!!! Hes running for the office as well. How come nobody covers him much? Maybe hes too busy working to campaign with the biggies? Like, doing his job?
Like Kucinich with the Cheney impeachment resolution that he put forth, that Ron Paul tabled, and wouldnt allow to go forward?
Dodd and Kucinich at work. Where are the rest of them?
Report thisBy Douglas Chalmers, December 18, 2007 at 2:14 am Link to this comment
Quoue: “It’s hardly possible to write a posting like this without mentioning perhaps the most famous filibuster, which occured in Frank Capra’s classic film “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” where Jimmy Stewart plays an idealistic senator who stages a filibuster, to the point of physical collapse, against the Big Money guys in Washington….”
What a childish way of having to make a point. Even more childish, though, is the American compulsion to insist that people be “put to the test”. Of course, that is also the equivalent of the very primitive “Its either them or us”, uhh….....
Report thisBy driving bear, December 18, 2007 at 12:12 am Link to this comment
this will come to nothing. remember only 60 votes are needed to stop a filibuster so that’s the GOP senators + 11 democrats. Also if the telecomms have to pay out they will just raise mine and your phone bill to do it.
Report thisBy Allen, December 17, 2007 at 6:49 pm Link to this comment
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I do not care if election elements are or may be involved on the part of Senator Dodd. I prefer to think not. What I do care about is that at least one Senator of this nation will finally take such a public and hard stand against this outlaw administration. Thank you Senator Dodd from one American to another.
Report thisBy PatrickHenry, December 17, 2007 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment
About time, he must be comming up for re-election.
Report thisBy QuyTran, December 17, 2007 at 6:01 pm Link to this comment
Let’s wait & see ! Don’t be too optimistic !
Report thisBy Junior G-Man, December 17, 2007 at 5:48 pm Link to this comment
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Touching observation about someone finally standing up for our rights, jackpine savage. Clearly you love America.
I would tentatively add to the list Patrick Leahy (Senate Judiciary Committee), Dennis Kucinich (who didnt vote for the USA Patriot Act because he actually read it), Ted Kennedy (an institution) and Jon Tester (believe it or not; Montanans are libertarians).
But do you really think Americans would choose someone with principle over someone who would continue to protect them from the boogeyman at the exense of their civil liberties? I like to think so, but
Report thisBy Ohioan4truth, December 17, 2007 at 5:26 pm Link to this comment
Hip, hip, hooray for Senator Dodd! A true American Hero!
Report thisBy VillageElder, December 17, 2007 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment
Hopefully Dodd will have the support of the dems and stress the foundation of this huse of cards built on sand. Bushee’s want a pass on this bit of sleazy illegality. In treaties and contracts with other nations they put in a clause that the nation won’t turn the USA over to the world court for war crimes.
Report thisBy P. T., December 17, 2007 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment
Glad to see this about Chris Dodd. The bankers may own him lock, stock, and cash register but apparently not the telecoms.
Report thisBy Richard, December 17, 2007 at 4:33 pm Link to this comment
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Good for Dodd! Hes truly standing up for our constitutional rights.
My wife and I called our Democratic senators offices today urging them not to grant immunity to the telecoms. We got a favorable response from the junior senator and the usual wishy-washy malarkey from the senior senator (which, sadly, is probably why hes a senior senator).
If the Fourth Amendment defenders can pull this off, I dont see how Bush can use a signing statement to circumvent it. (See Charlie Savages series in the Boston Globe.) Also refer the Sunday New York Times story, which says this was going on before Sept. 11.
By the way, the quickest way to register a complaint about illegal wiretapping with Chaney/Bush is to call any telephone number. Theyll be listening.
Report thisBy jackpine savage, December 17, 2007 at 4:29 pm Link to this comment
Let’s see it, Sen. Dodd, please…
If the man goes through with it, it may become a turning point in modern, American history. (it may come to nothing too) I get the feeling that all this country really needs is for someone that can’t be ignored to stand up and say, “No more”.
Mr. Bush has built a house of cards with deceit and secrecy. It stands because no one has been willing to blow it down.
And if Sen. Dodd, manages to stand up - all by himself - to the Bush administration, the Democrats will have a dark horse in the race striding ahead.
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