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Campaign ‘08 Rocked by Outbreak of AccountabilityPosted on Dec 13, 2007
It’s not at all shocking when candidates and their assorted aides take pot shots at each other as they slog through the long and dirty campaign trail, but it’s at least a bit surprising when they ‘fess up to it. That’s just what happened—twice!—in about 24 hours. The first mea culpa, chronologically speaking, came from GOP candidate Mike Huckabee, who apologized to Mitt Romney at Wednesday’s Republican presidential debate for wondering out loud (and within range of a New York Times reporter) whether Mormons believed that Jesus and Satan were brothers. Then, on Thursday, came the resignation of a Hillary Clinton national campaign co-chair, Bill Shaheen, who committed a similar faux pas by calling attention to a less than savory detail about rival Democratic candidate Barack Obama’s past.
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By Thomas Billis, December 16, 2007 at 9:16 am #
They say it apologize for saying it explain why they are apologizing for saying it say that no one should say it and it is now turning the corner from saying it.It is push polling and gossipping in one little neat trick.They get the word out.Make sure it implants where it should and when the normal people howl apologize for it.Is it any wonder that no matter who gets elected President we are treated like morons.They treated us like morons to get elected.
Report thisBy Rex Chapman, December 16, 2007 at 12:58 am #
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My dream:
The congress apologizes for not doing the will of the people and stops this war, and impeaches Bush and Cheney.
Then GOP apologizes for running these sorry corrupt, election buying, moral majority supporting, anti-worker, anti-immigrant, pro WWIII candidates and starts putting the constitution before the party.
Report thisBy PatrickHenry, December 15, 2007 at 12:52 am #
They’re out of money too.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd328.htm
Report thisBy cyrena, December 14, 2007 at 11:29 pm #
#120160 by NYT9237723
On the other hand, Ill vote for anyone who doesnt inflict his or her brand of crackpot religion on me. Ill vote for you if I dont have to listen to your religius opinions.
NYT
Thanks for the vote. I hadnt planned on running for the office though. (maybe I should). But, in re-reading my own words, I guess I sound like Atila the Hun or somebody, eh? Chopping off heads and such?
But, not to worry, you would NEVER have to listen to my religious opinions, because I dont have any. I only have my very firm secular belief in the Establishment Clause of the Constitution. It means that the Church and the State are the polar opposites of Siamese twins. Theres the Church, and theres the State. Therere Gods Laws in the Church, for whomever wants to indulge in them.
But, these laws that were made (collectively) BY man, FOR men/women, are the only ones I care about. And, if we could ever get around to settling on THOSE, we might figure out that they pretty much fall in line with the same ones that non-psychopaths seem to accept as part of their religious beliefs as well. As for the others, the hell with em.
Report thisBy VillageElder, December 14, 2007 at 10:49 pm #
Thrust, parry, point, counterpoint, hurt and apology kinda. Within the kabuki there was no answer to the Huckster’s question. Google: jesus satan brothers. You will find a number of postings by the LDS and LDS fronts. The answer is they were both sons of god therefore spiritual brothers. This does differ a bit from the usual orthodox theology, remember it was a trinity not a quadratic. We may be discovering a new field: Quantum Meta theology.
We could try logic, reason and the scientific methods, but that’s no damn fun. Facts so impede fantasy.
Literacy is such a burden.
This would be an argument over stone age beliefs were it not for the injections of fantasy provided by Joseph Smith and his revelations in the 19th century. From the mouth of an illiterate came surprising revelations concerning ...! Check out a few history books non LDS. Reading contemporary accounts of historical religious leaders(?) is always instructive. Both Smith and Mohammad had revelations concerning marriage when they fancied a new wife.
While we can hope that we do not return to the dark ages; a surprising number among us would like to return to stone age certainty. Creation science, a 6000 year old planet and the safety of the sky god (God is in His Heaven and HELL is down below). We can stone the unbelievers.
Psychopathy with a historical basis is just wonderful. But we need to let these candidates on both side know: We Don’t Care! Believe what you might but give us rational policies about the problems and this world the one we all live in.
Report thisBy Had Enough?, December 14, 2007 at 9:13 pm #
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Katrina, Iraq, $ 9 trillion deficit, 47 million without health care coverage.
And Willard and Huck want to argue faith and who they will torture?
Report thisBy 13 Martyrs, December 14, 2007 at 5:44 pm #
This will be the new thing in American politics: Smear a candidate to confuse the voters and steer away from the important issues. Then apologize a few days later to make yourself look human, humble and a fair player. Everyone can have it both ways.
Report thisBy ocjim, December 14, 2007 at 1:06 pm #
Once you start yammering about your Christianity and crediting God with your rise in the polls, then you better be as Christian as Jesus Christ.
It’s best to act the part not yammer about your faith. I for one am sick of this exploitation of religion. Don’t we already have a grand hypocrit in the White House?
Huckabees smear tactics here remind me of the tactic of planting a thought in jurors mind usually done by the defense attorney, involving a suggestion, an image, a smear and then saying withdrawn. In Huckabee’s case, it was “Sorry.”
Huckabee obviously has no integrity, contrary to his Christian claims. Doesnt that sound too familiar.
Report thisBy NYT9237723, December 14, 2007 at 12:42 pm #
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Eloquently put, Cyrena. Who does indeed care about what went on in heaven in some past time? The fall of Satan, the rebellion of angels. . . .wonderful stories if they are used to speak metaphorically, but not very accurate history. And completely beside the point in the face of actual human suffering.
All this yammering about religion and whether my myth is better than your myth always skirts the real issues: uninsured children, lies to take the US to war, letting the corporations pick over the carcasses of unemployed Merkun workers, outsourcing, falling real wages.
Much better to argue about the war in heaven. On the other hand, I’ll vote for anyone who doesn’t inflict his or her brand of crackpot religion on me. I’ll vote for you if I don’t have to listen to your religius opinions.
Report thisBy cyrena, December 14, 2007 at 6:46 am #
Well, here’s why apologize, and not just Huckabee, Hillary…but every damn one of them…
WE DON’T GIVE A SHIT, about whether they were brothers or not, or what allegedly happened in heaven or hell.
“We the people” along with the rest of the planet, are headed to hell in handbaskets, wheelbarrows and SUV’s, with broken down limbs and minds, while these assholes stand around taking pot shots at each other!!
Hillary, Biden, and Obama are running around the campaign trail, instead of casting votes in the Senate to stop the crazy ass MF in the Oval office, and we’re dying, and they don’t seem to get it.
Now…I’m pissed!!! If one more of them says a single word about a character from out of a bood that is jillions of years old, I’m gonna chop off his head!!
So there!!
Report thisBy Douglas Chalmers, December 13, 2007 at 9:16 pm #
“... apologized to Mitt Romney at Wednesday’s Republican presidential debate for wondering out loud (and within range of a New York Times reporter) whether Mormons believed that Jesus and Satan were brothers….”
Why apologize? Its in the Christian bible that Satan (originally Sat-an or Saturn) was fallen from “heaven”.
Maybe they should all start thinking about what that really means and “mend their ways” in all sincerity instead of merely appearing to be politically correct, uhh.
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