#119508 by Louise

Louise, I so MUCH appreciate this post from you. (well, as usual). But I HAVE to comment on the ‘mental telepathy’ that we had on this part from the ex-CIA agents statements:

• “In Zubaydah’s case,” John Kiriakou, [a leader of the team that captured Zubaydah] said, “the waterboarding had immediate effect.”

He goes on to say how cooperative the detainee became after the waterboarding. Matter of fact, if memory serves me, (because I don’t have the piece in front of me) he says that ‘the detainee” came back the next day and say that he had ‘spoken to Allah”, or heard from “Allah” and had been advised to cooperate and tell everything.

Then, the agent goes on to talk about how this ‘information’ disrupted all of these “in-plan” terrorists attacks, and THAT’s where we have the mental telepathy, since MY reaction was the SAME as yours…

• Or so we’re told. Problem with lying all the time is, at some point in time it becomes impossible to believe anything the liars say! Where’s the proof?
Where is the PROOF of all those disrupted attacks?
Why do they not offer proof?
Because they are ALL liars!
Yep. That’s EXACTLY what I thought, (and even said out loud). Where’s the proof? Of course there IS NO PROOF, because they’ve lied over, and over and over again, on these exact same things. Claims of interrupted attacks that NEVER have any proof. There’ve been so many I’ve lost track.
And what about KSM? The alleged ‘mastermind’ of 9/11? They tortured that guy so bad he finally admitted to doing EVERYTHING!! By the time it was over, KSM had taken responsibility for creating and then destroying the universe. He would have needed to be 451,987,000,000 places at the same time, to do all of the things he ‘confessed’ to doing under torture. AND, there’s STILL no ‘proof’ that ANY of that shit even HAPPENED!!!

Remember the guys in Florida who were allegedly planning to bomb the Sears Tower? Now how much ya wanna bet they didn’t even know where the Sears Tower IS?

LIES, LIES, and more LIES on top of those. They’re as never-ending as the ‘war on terror’. I just don’t know how they even think all of these lies up.

‘Ex-CIA Agent: Waterboarding OK’ed at Top’

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-714407 2,00.html

“This isn’t something done willy nilly. This isn’t something where an agency officer just wakes up in the morning and decides he’s going to carry out an enhanced technique on a prisoner,” he said Tuesday on NBC’s ‘Today’ show. “This was a policy made at the White House ...”
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Did you miss that? This was a policy made at the White House!
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“In Zubaydah’s case,” John Kiriakou, [a leader of the team that captured Zubaydah] said, “the waterboarding had immediate effect.”

“From that day on, he answered every question. The threat information he provided disrupted a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks.”
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Or so we’re told. Problem with lying all the time is, at some point in time it becomes impossible to believe anything the liars say! Where’s the proof?

Where is the PROOF of all those disrupted attacks?
Why do they not offer proof?
Because they are ALL liars!
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“It’s no secret that the president approved a lawful program in order to interrogate hardened terrorists,” Perino said. “We do not torture.” [ But we sure do lie!]
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Gentle reminder. When our decider guy decided to torture, it WAS illegal. Now of course his partners in crime, those reprehensible repub AND dem congressaurs re-wrote the law making it sorta legal. But it’s still illegal in the world court. And in the minds of decent United States citizens everywhere! And no amount of rewrite will mop up the immorality, and the LYING our White House and Congress is drowning in.

Bush, “We do not torture.”
Liar.

Bush, “We do not torture.”
Liar, liar, LIAR!

At least this whole sorry sordid mess shines light on one clear fact. Why the coward, Michael B. Mukasey [federal judge in New York; presided over 1993 WTC bombing case; active in 9-11 cases, including Larry Silverstein’s insurance claims; oversaw the detained material witnesses of 9-11, including five dancing Israeli Mossad agents apprehended by FBI; recently appointed by Bush to be the next Attorney General; radical Zionist of Russian Jewish parentage; “dual citizen” of US and Israel] was so un-willing to give an honest answer to the question, is waterboarding torture?
Duh ...

OF COURSE IT IS!

By the way, If these guys, like Mukasey, want to be leaders in the United States of America, how come they don’t give up their Israeli citizenship?

http://www.whodidit.org/cocon.html

And speaking of sorry sordid messes, what would the tapes have shown us if we had seen them?
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“Abu Zubaydah, his captors discovered, turned out to be mentally ill and nothing like the pivotal figure they supposed him to be....Abu Zubaydah also appeared to know nothing about terrorist operations; rather, he was al-Qaeda’s go-to guy for minor logistics.”

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2 007_12/012662.php
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But hey ... a crooked congress and a thoroughly corrupt Tenet saved Bush’s arss. Except they didn’t really. Because Bush never shuts up. It was just a matter of time before those with superior intelligence [and that would be just about everyone] had this guy pegged.

Sometimes I wonder. Do you suppose any of these folks stop from time to time and ask themselves if they might feel better now, if they hadn’t compromised their principles then?

“Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so just because you might not like what you find.”
Where is Colin Powell anyway?

Wouldn’t an appropriate moniker for the White House press secretary be Drano Latrino?

#119404 by 1dree5 on 12/11 at 4:51 am
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It just took me longer…..I hope better late than never.

I just listened to Amy Goodman’s Monday show on Democracy Now.  Boy, anybody expecting the neo-libricons (Democrats) to gallop in and save the day just got screwed for the umpteenth time.  Nancy Pelosi and 3 other Dems are up to their eyeballs in complicity to torture.  They’re friggin war criminals!  Hahahahahahaha, can you believe it?  So who’s our daddy now?  This is just the beginning of the unraveling of the layers of the onion.  In the end I have no idea who will emerge unscathed from the many war crimes committed by the US of A.; certainly not any of the top contenders for ’08.  It’s kind of like reaching into a box of snakes to get the “good” one; 20 rattlers and one garden snake.  Wow!!! 
There is a fatal flaw in our political process in that it is so easily subverted.  I for one am no longer convinced Democracy is a viable form of government…it is open to too many abuses.  There is also a fatal flaw in our politicians…almost all of them!  We as citizens ask for too much as well; we have become selfish, apathetic, non-involved, too dependant, and wanting “safety” from womb to tomb.  This is our fatal flaw.  We are no longer a nation of independent risk takers.  Maybe our time is over and the rot will continue to leach its way through our society as we fade into the darkness.  63 years is not a long time in historic views, but the speed of our demise in those 63 years is startling.

“…The chairman of the House panel, Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas, said Hayden’s assertion last week that lawmakers were informed “does not appear to be true.””…

DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE TRUE? Oh my, I can’t imagine THAT!!! Is he suggesting that someone in the administration, or the CIA, may have LIED? How preposterous!!

Meantime, back to Dana:

• The White House counsel, meanwhile, has ordered press secretary Dana Perino to keep quiet on the matter.

Now, this would be a ‘first’. (her keeping quiet instead of lying) Remember when those detainees committed suicide by hanging themselves in their cells at Gitmo a couple of years back? Wasn’t that Dana accused them of practicing asymmetrical warfare against us?

Wait, no. It wasn’t her. It was Frances Townsend. What is she now, like the second in command to something to do with homeland security? Or, maybe it’s something else. I lose track.

Meantime, what –REALLY- is this summons gonna do? I mean, the Senate confirmed the guy, even when we ALL knew he was neck deep in the torture operation.

Partrick Henry, I understand your relief, but I doubt Hayden would have allowed the NIE to be released, proving that Bush knew that Iran didn’t have nukes, or any plans to get them. I mean, Hayden had to know that himself, and he sure couldn’t have approved of them leaking that truth out. Matter of fact, there’s a piece on who actually DID write the report, and I haven’t yet read it myself, but I’m about to. It’s here if you want to take a look at it. I’m betting that it was without Hayden’s approval though.

Intelligence Expert Who Rewrote Book on Iran
By Ewen MacAskill
The Guardian UK
Saturday 08 December 2007
Report has torpedoed plans for military action and brought “howls” from neocons.

The intelligence came from an exotic variety of sources: there was the so-called Laptop of Death; there was the Iranian commander who mysteriously disappeared in Turkey. Also in the mix was video footage of a nuclear plant in central Iran and intercepts of Iranian telephone calls by the British listening station GCHQ.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/120807B.shtml

Imperialism always seems to lead to torture.  Imperialism begets an underground resistance movement.  In frustration, the imperialist uses torture to try to get information on the resistance movement.

He would say that Bush/Cheney have ordered CIA to do that. Everything will be OK !

I though he would have to appear to verify that Bush had been briefed all along about Iran not having a viable nuclear program.......what a relief.