The revolution hasn’t even begun.

jbart asked

I’ve tried to restrain myself from"commenting” on most subjects concerning “public dissent”. But, I need to ask a question of all of you,intelligent, bloggers”.
That is,very simply, this… What is your “workable” solution to all of the problems caused by the the, “biased, big-time Bad,” neocons?

Total public awareness. Outlaw secrecy and wire politicians to the Internet so they can be monitored by their constituents in real-time.

Politicians, especially American one’s all claim to believe an omnipresent ever vigilant God exists so on one level they’re already pretty much used to the thought of being monitored. In principle, my idea shouldn’t be that much of a stretch.

I don’t expect many politicians currently in power would be willing to submit to having Little Brother always looking over their shoulder so perhaps a new party that was committed to the idea is in order.

Imagine if politicians had to compete for votes by being more transparent than their opposition. Who would you vote for in such a case?

Yo!  Guys (all inclusive), the revolution is over.  We missed it while doing other important things.  The neo-cons have already won.  The names will change but the result will be the same.
So sit back and relax, the real change will happen so slowly you won’t even feel it.  Enjoy your life and everything will be okay. 
Oh, by the way, did you hear about the protesters against Blackwater?  Yeah, they were tried and convicted in a secret hearing; you know, closed to the public.  Yeah, it was last week here in America.

I haven’t had a chance to read every-one’s comments, however I thought this might shed some additional light on the issue, if accurate of course.  Be sure to catch the VIDEO alongside the story, “Erased CIA Torture Tapes: Complicity of Top Saudis and Pakistanis in 9/11”.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/#70074

#118957 by jbart

Jbart, I hear ya, but I wouldn’t even know where to start. (looking) So, as much as I hate to ‘concede’, I think the best plan is to start planning to just get the hell out of dodge. Or maybe work on setting up a few states for secession, and just do like a grand shuffle. Anybody that wants to remain stupid and hang in there, can take the eastern half, and the rest of us can take the western half, or vice versa.

I guess we need a 2 or 3 state solution right here. If not, get your travel plans in order.

I’ve just read a million ‘denials’ of the intelligence from our own people, on the Iran intelligence. Bolton claims that it was all ‘political’. (like who the hell would believe him) and Gates is still calling Iran an unstable and chaotic force in the region. And, he’s obviously saying it with a straight face. Like if we’re somehow all so stupid, that we don’t know that Iran has been ‘in the region’ for thousands of years, and that it is the US who has created mass murder and mayhem in ‘the region’ for years now, and that they have no plans to stop, because George was quite serious about the WWIII that all of the above mentioned people (in your post) have planned to wage for at least a decade, and nothing, but nothing is going to get in their way.

When this many people have accepted this insanity, as if it’s just something that’s going to happen, then the best thing the rest of us can do is to try to get to a safe place, and try to save what little might be left of a nearly dead civilization.

If ALL the rest of us have known about the torture, and if MOST of the rest of us have known from day one, that 9/11 was all a big lie, then I simply cannot accept that NONE of Congress has been able to figure that out as well.

So, since we KNOW that dozens of them have been ‘aware’ all along, and never did anything before, then we have to assume they don’t care, and already have plans for saving themselves. I can only say that we do the same

Does not anyway consider it odd that this news would come out now? It’s real intent is to divert attention away from the Bush Iran lies, which if followed, could lead to more trouble that this CIA event.

Please, congress and media. do not drop the ball on the Bush Iran story, it can open up a whole can of worms regarding the misuse of power/government, corruption, the use of illegal propaganda methods on the American people, and more.

Yeah-let’s have ANOTHER inquiry-Set up another panel to look into this NEW??? situation….As long as the CROOKS are put into POSITIONS of POWER with out CITIZEN OVERSIGHT-THE CROOKS WILL CONTINUE TO DO WHATEVER THEY DEEM “RIGHT”...Money and power puts these people ABOVE THE LAW….There are several DIFFERENT STANDARDS to the justice and court system.You or I would get jailed for shredding our IRS forms etc….THEY GET A SLAP ON THE WRIST.Let US MAKE THEM PAY THE SAME PRICE YOU OR I WOULD BE FORCED TO PAY FOR SIMILAR ISSUES…..

Remember when Mukasey refused to talk about/define/etc. water-boarding?  Anybody want to bet that he ‘knew’ about the tapes and the tapes involved water-boarding which was why he skirted the water-boarding issue - especially since it was about the only issue he skirted.

Talk has it that it is up to the Justice Dept. to investigate the destruction of the tapes.  Guess who’s head of Justice?

A LONG TIME AGO AND FAR, FAR AWAY I SPENT 10 YRS 6 MOS AND 3 DAYS IN THE MILITARY SO THINGS LIKE THIS WOULDN’T HAPPEN, BUT THEY DID.  MR. PRESIDENT, COULD I PLEASE HAVE MY 10 YRS 6 MOS AND 3 DAYS BACK ??

Oh well, it’s classic, lets conduct another investigation, that’s the best way we have of appearing to do something, when we are really avoiding doing anything at all.

How longs it going to take, 1 year 2 years? Or 10 years?

The Democrats are a bunch of gutless wonders, and that’s all that evil needs to succeed, an opposition party that will do nothing except posture…

During the years of the Bush-Cheney administration, some CIA high-level leaders as well as rank-and-file personnel have behaved honorably, while others reportedly have acted dishonorably.

Like the nature of the intelligence community, these situations have sometimes been cloudy and unclear. Sometimes, solid indicators and truths have emerged.

Food for thought in the articles ...

“CIA inspector general blamed own officers; scapegoats for intel on 9/11, Iraq?”

American Chronicle
November 4, 2005

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=3510

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“‘Intelligence failures’ prior to 9/11, Iraq war: Planned strategies?”

American Chronicle
October 31, 2005

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=3367

The Democrats letting Reagan get away with Iran/Contra sent the message to Republicans that they could commit crimes in the name of national “security.”

O goody the democrats are going to conduct an investigation.The democrats could not investigate ww2 and figure out who the enemy was.Look what the Republican’s did with nothing in the 90s and look at how pathetic the Democrats are with possibly the most corrupt administration in American history.The Republicans got a President impeached for lying about sex.Lying about the facts surrounding us going to war nothing.Democrats do not ever play poker you would know to raise with royal flush.

In the end, nothing is going to be done.  But, I hope I am wrong.

An independent prosecutor is needed.  Destruction of evidence is a crime.