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Bush Still Hawkish on Iran Despite Nuke Report

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Posted on Dec 4, 2007

A day after the release of the National Intelligence Estimate assessment on Iran’s purportedly halted nuclear weapons program, President Bush once again demonstrated his well-practiced ability to repurpose facts or opinions to better serve his administration’s aims. Remarkably, Bush was able to turn the NIE assessment, which indicated that there is substantial evidence that the Iranian government responded to international pressure and at least hit the pause button on developing nukes in 2003, into an affirmation that his own assessment of Iran’s intentions is still on target and military action against Iran is still a possibility. 

Although the NIE report resulted from years of surveillance by several key agencies within the U.S. intelligence community, Bush assumed a skeptical stance during a press conference Tuesday, suddenly all too eager to dismiss data from the same kind of sources that he relied on so heavily in his push to invade Iraq in 2003.  Insisting that Iran won’t develop the capacity to make nuclear bombs while he’s in office—invoking the familiar presidential refrain of “not on my watch”—Bush managed, in a particularly nimble display of rhetorical gymnastics, to deflect blame for the WMD debacle and implicate the intel community as the main culprit. “Right after the failure of intelligence in Iraq, we reformed the intelligence community,” he asserted. 


The New York Times:

The world needed to view the report as “a warning signal,” not grounds for reassurance, he said, and the United States would not renounce the option of a military response.

“I have said Iran is dangerous,” Bush said a day after the release of the National Intelligence Estimate, representing the consensus of all 16 American spy agencies, “and the N.I.E. doesn’t do anything to change my opinion about the danger Iran poses to the world—quite the contrary.”

The report was welcomed by Iran today, which said it confirmed Tehran’s frequent protestations that its nuclear program has a purely civilian aim.

But it left some United States allies feeling uncertain about the way ahead. Key partners like France and Britain, in line with the administration response, said the report underscored that past concerns about Iran were well-founded.

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By Davidovitch, December 6, 2007 at 9:51 am Link to this comment

Cyrena: “Matter of fact, I’ve just decided I’m not sticking around for this one. Please send me maps/charts/atlases of anyplace on the globe you think I should check out. ... I’m thinking Australia. Seems like that should be far enough in the opposite direction.”

Australia’s a pretty enough country but oh, yikes, is that place expensive to live in.  Paperwork is painful there for anyone from abroad.  And occasionally they have a tendency to elect their own cave-dweller George W. Bush imitators, aka John Howard. 

Actually, a goodly number of my old friends/colleagues have been shipping out back across the Atlantic, working and even raising their kids there.  It’s mainly due to the whole Eurozone thing I guess, at least for professionals especially in science and engineering—instead of 87+ hours a week working in a US firm for diminishing pay, and going bankrupt paying private school/college tuition, they can work in a high-tech Eurozone country such as Germany or Austria, get paid in Euros and so earn much more money, with the Euro/dollar exchange rate being so robust.  Someone working in a sci-tech field will frequently know German anyway to read the papers, so they have a big advantage if they earn a salary in Euros, plus they can send their kids to fab public schools and not have to give up their right arm and leg to pay for it.  Ditto for someone moving to France and Italy.

The trick is, you’ve gotta learn German of course, or French or Italian depending on where you go (though seems like they use German increasingly through much of the continent), but seems like people really don’t have a problem once they plant roots there.  I don’t know why, but nobody seems to have much interest in the UK—too crowded and miserable there, I guess, and since they’ve also blundered into Iraq, their economy is also heading south painfully fast.

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By Verne Arnold, December 6, 2007 at 8:02 am Link to this comment

#117999 by Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD on 12/04 at 5:31 pm
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Why shouldn’t he be skeptical?  The intelligence on Iraq WMD’s turned out to be totally false.  Intelligence, Insmelligence.  Stop pussy-footing around and get on over there and bomb those effers right back into the stone age. Then hop on up and bomb Russia.  Bomb everybody.  Bomb dogs and cats, cows, trees, the ocean, the sun and the seven other planets.  Bomb the North Pole.  Then when you’re done, bomb yourself.  Mission accomplished!

You know, if I had to vote on the comment of the year….yours would be it, hands down!

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By cann4ing, December 5, 2007 at 11:37 pm Link to this comment

Per investigative historian Gareth Porter, the NIE had been available for publication last October but was held up for political reasons by the White House.

http://www.democracynow.org/2007/12/5/what_did_bush_know_on_iran

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By Douglas Chalmers, December 5, 2007 at 11:32 pm Link to this comment

#118374 by cyrena on 12/05: ‘Ms. Rice reminded reporters that the United Nations Security Council had already demanded that Iran halt its uranium enrichment and reprocessing activities, “because those enriching and reprocessing activities permit, if they are perfected, a state to acquire fissile material for a nuclear weapon.”...”

The real agenda here is the upcoming cartel for supplying uranium to ALL countries around the world. You have to be IN the club to get access - or else, cyrena!

That is, Bush’s oil buddies are working feverishly at cornering the uranium market by insisting that countries buy from a single uranium-enriching country supposedly as a foil against nuclear weapons-grade uranium being generally produced by each country using nuclear power for generating electricity.

As there is NO real threat, they have had to manufacture one - by continually accusing IRAN which is supplied by Russia - and thus also pressuring Russia indirectly. It isn’t working and the EU is getting nervous ahead of this winter and what Russia might do to curtail gas supplies!!!!

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By ElkoJohn, December 5, 2007 at 11:17 pm Link to this comment

#118249 by Non Credo on 12/05 at 12:07 pm

PAUL v. KUCINICH.

Because Kucinich wants to return to the FDR form of government—ie, gov. of/by & for the people, in other words, an uncorrupted gov. can take care of all the people fairly & justly. Only prob. is, the Repugs & neocons & big money have figured out how to control the gov. AND the voting public with all their propaganda, spin, money & lies. So courageous republicans like Lincoln, Teddy R. Barry G, & Ron Paul AND courageous Dems like Andy Jackson, FDR, LBJ & Kucinich can never find enough politicians to get rid of the big-money factor. So as I consider my protest vote for Kucinich’s FDR plan for gov. OR Ron Paul’s dismantle the gov. plan, I have to say that, rather than have the big-money oligarchy control the US government, and the american empire exploiting the world by hook or crook or war for its resources, I would rather let Ron Paul dismantle the empire so the big-money won’t have anything to control.

As usual in america, it’s always about the lesser of the evils.
ej.

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By cyrena, December 5, 2007 at 11:14 pm Link to this comment

#117999 by Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD on 12/04 at 5:31 pm
OMG!! Dr Know….I laughed so hard I cried and peed on myself at the same time. Stomach hurts too. It was worth it. I had to post the whole thing again.
•  Why shouldn’t he be skeptical?  The intelligence on Iraq WMD’s turned out to be totally false.  Intelligence, Insmelligence.  Stop pussy-footing around and get on over there and bomb those effers right back into the stone age. Then hop on up and bomb Russia.  Bomb everybody.  Bomb dogs and cats, cows, trees, the ocean, the sun and the seven other planets.  Bomb the North Pole.  Then when you’re done, bomb yourself.  Mission accomplished!


#118019 by Don Stivers on 12/04 at 7:13 pm
So just where DOES G.W.Bush get his information?  Who out there says Iran is so dangerous that we have to bomb them?  What about those exRussian states that have nuclear bombs?
Don, first answer, god.

Why does ANYBODY listen to this ignorant, stupid, conniving person?  Congress, Pentagon, anybody?
2nd answer. Doesn’t matter. He listens to god. That’s all that counts.

Oh but, since you asked, I think Condi the Rice and Barney still listen to him. The Rice should have mentioned those exRussian states with the bombs though, since that was like her ‘speciality’ or something in school. Isn’t that what she got her doctorate in? Russian Studies? They still would have been Russian states back then.

Oh Man, I’m still laughing at dr knowitall.

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By cyrena, December 5, 2007 at 10:56 pm Link to this comment

Well, hot off the press. No surprises here. These people are on crack. Condi the Rice is on double crack. She’s just a damn fool. What does she think is gonna happen to her butt after the rest of them go down? I’d be willing to bet there’s no spot in the escape boat planned for her.

Bush Says Iran Must Explain Past Nuclear Work
The Associated Press reported that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, in Ethiopia on Wednesday, said, “It is the very strong view of the administration that the Iranian regime remains a problematic and dangerous regime and that the international community must continue to unite around the Security Council resolutions that it has passed.”

Ms. Rice reminded reporters that the United Nations Security Council had already demanded that Iran halt its uranium enrichment and reprocessing activities, “because those enriching and reprocessing activities permit, if they are perfected, a state to acquire fissile material for a nuclear weapon.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/06/world/middleeast/06iran.html?em&ex=1197090000&en=7a15b8eae7311062&ei=5087

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By cyrena, December 5, 2007 at 10:44 pm Link to this comment

#118299 by VillageElder

•  Don’t you just hate reruns

Especially these kind. Matter of fact, I’ve just decided I’m not sticking around for this one. Please send me maps/charts/atlases of anyplace on the globe you think I should check out.

Meantime, I’ll just go stand out by the mailbox and wait on my new passport. It’s a fairly safe area. At least I can see what’s coming and run. Or, steal a bike or a car. With everybody all shocked and awed, they won’t even miss it.

I’m thinking Australia. Seems like that should be far enough in the opposite direction.

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By Douglas Chalmers, December 5, 2007 at 9:17 pm Link to this comment

#118299 by VillageElder on 12/05: “With Wolfowitz giving policy guidance on the “war on terrorism” we can look forward to another demonstration of “shock and awe” ....Don’t you just hate reruns….”

Oh, pick a suitable spot for the next “Pearl Harbor-like event”, uhh….........

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By VillageElder, December 5, 2007 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

With Wolfowitz giving policy guidance on the “war on terrorism” we can look forward to another demonstration of “shock and awe” and “mission accomplished”.
Reality never alters the Bush course.  Adherence to the Cheney 1% Doctrine dictates we must attack.

Don’t you just hate reruns.

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By purplewolf, December 5, 2007 at 1:18 pm Link to this comment

To Ocjim, you give him to much credit, I think it is more like a kindergarten temper tantrum.

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By ElkoJohn, December 5, 2007 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment

how can one american prez trash the constitution, trash our foreign treaties, lie to congress, go to war for oil, and not be impeached ?? the prob is the Dems who are kissing up to the big money, israel & are frightfully fearful of the awful neocons…......  and the Dems who are standing up for the truth are so few and far between, there will never be enough of them to establish a gov. of/by & for the people…......  it’s time to dismantle the american empire…...  vote Ron Paul.

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By americatheblind, December 5, 2007 at 10:58 am Link to this comment

RE:  118079 by GRAYER You see at least in America, I can vote, have my own opinion, give to charity, have a legal system that
does not persecute raped women, and when a country needs help, we are the first ones there, via my President.  My President did what
so many Presidents before him did not have the courage to do.  I just think most Americans support BUSH.  Most that do the defamation against him do it to every President, year after year. 

Grayer get a clue!  What you call courage most people call stupidity.  You might be able to vote, but quess what; it’s just a way to make the American public believe that they really have a say in who is elected into office.  Grayer you are part of that 30% who think Bush is doing a good job.  I’m assuming you watch FOX news exclusively as well.  You need to inform yourself of what is going on.  At least you are on this site which is a good start.

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By cann4ing, December 5, 2007 at 10:30 am Link to this comment

Time to impeach!

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By themask, December 5, 2007 at 9:19 am Link to this comment
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To: 1dree5
I’ve got to ask ?  Are you on crack when you type your comments???
Not that your theories are totally off but .....

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By Jim Yell, December 5, 2007 at 8:33 am Link to this comment
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Now we all know that Bush avoided Vietnam & Cheney said right up front he had better things to do than join the US Army. Neither one of them appear to have refused service in disgust with the un-necessary nature of Vietnam.

Now that they are too old to serve they have become the apparent spokes person for people who did serve and sadly seem to have come away with the idea that the time they spent was well used and the killing was so much fun that they are ready to kill some more following an Administration that is largely lead by people who have no respect for the truth, for the constitution, for their own character.

Yes, there are times war can not be avoided, but in the past 100 years the only War that could not have been avoided was WWII, winning (?) it doesn’t seem to have imparted much judgement or sense to our supposed leaders, or to their followers.

It was understood 200 years ago that War was not something to be played with, that real reasons and discussion should be made before embarking on this activity, all things that were not done leading up to Iraq and now Iran. So who is luny and danergous in all this?

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By ocjim, December 5, 2007 at 7:21 am Link to this comment

This is beyond arrogance, and beyond stubbornness. Does the junior high school stage of development come to mind.

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By Verne Arnold, December 5, 2007 at 5:17 am Link to this comment

#118079 by Grayer on 12/05 at 1:02 am
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and when a country needs help, we are the first ones there, via my President.  My President did what so many Presidents before him did not have the courage to do.  I just think most Americans support BUSH.  Most that do the defamation against him do it to every President, year after year. 

Wow!  Do you really believe that, or are you trolling?

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By Verne Arnold, December 5, 2007 at 5:12 am Link to this comment

#117999 by Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD on 12/04 at 5:31 pm
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Ah, you’ve finally done it; brilliant comment!  Bravo!

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By A Khokar, December 5, 2007 at 4:30 am Link to this comment

In the words of Abaid ullah Aleem, a poet; (translation)

When He (Our Creator) ceases his hand of blessings; even the kings may not find any refuge.
The aggressor may not know what all is hidden in the flowing tears of an oppressed people; that when they turn into tsunami and sweep away every thing.
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Love for all, Hatred for none

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By Grayer, December 5, 2007 at 2:02 am Link to this comment

In response to   1dree5 .... You said  

CERTAIN PEOPLE DECIDE THAT THEY CAN DECIDE FOR OTHERS WHAT"S BEST FOR OTHERS, I MEAN ITS LIKE PRESUMING THE REST OF THE PEOPLE TO RAVING IDIOTS WHO CAN NEVER DECIDE OR KNOW WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THEM

No my friend.  That’s not Americans.  That’s Iran, don’t you think?  You see at least in America, I can vote, have my own opinion, give to charity, have a legal system that does not persecute raped women, and when a country needs help, we are the first ones there, via my President.  My President did what so many Presidents before him did not have the courage to do.  I just think most Americans support BUSH.  Most that do the defamation against him do it to every President, year after year. 

Need a ticket to move?

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By Jeff Shubert, December 4, 2007 at 10:59 pm Link to this comment
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Bush’s response to this was that he wouldn’t take off the table a preemptive military action against Iran. When did it get onto the table in the first place?!

This guy’s first reaction to everything is to go to war. He does what he wants and could care less about facts or consequences. He acts in direct opposition to the will of the American People. He really must think it doesn’t matter what the People think.

Only those who are not intelligent would disregard intelligence reports. If you point to the intelligence reports on Iraq, check your facts first before you base your argument on that.

If you still support Bush now, you’re in a minority analogous to those who supported Nixon when he resigned from office in disgrace.

Having nothing left but a legacy of shame, he must think he has nothing to lose by acting like a crazy dictator.

WE THE PEOPLE deserve better than this!

May God save the United States of America.

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By ElkoJohn, December 4, 2007 at 10:38 pm Link to this comment

NOTICE to the neocons, israel & the industrial-military complex: the truth is out, can you spin it ? can you swift-boat it ? do american voters give a shit ?
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By susan, December 4, 2007 at 10:21 pm Link to this comment
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Dera editor,

Why not post at least one opposing opinion up FOR EVERYONE to see?? It is still America.  Post one.  The press should not be about popularity, but the freedom, correct?  Be crazy! On the main page. Put up a difference of opinion. Scared to actually post something to the right?  Come on! Be BOLD!!

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By S. Read, December 4, 2007 at 10:00 pm Link to this comment
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The Menace that is King George

Bush is a menace to the entire planet.  How the American electorate could have possibly elected this imbecile is beyond comprehension.

Let see:

1. Bush lied to the world about the Iraq War
2. The Iraq war has cost the lives of almost 4000 American Soldiers and well over 100,000 Iraqis mostly civilians
3. Bush has sanctioned wire tapping of his own citizens
4. Bush’s policy is against the Geneva Convention on torture - waterboarding
5. Bush and company - outed a CIA operative to the american press - Treason
6. Bush sends individuals to Black Sites througout the world - ie: Mahar Arar - innocent man who was tortured in Syria for 9 months
7. Blackwater
8. Abu Ghraib Prison
9. Gitmo
10 Katrina
11. Denied Global Warming
12. Sabre Rattling with Iran - Is bush trying to make the entire Middle East America’s enemy?


I could go on but it is too depressing

The United States has always stood as a beacon of freedom and liberty for the entire world.  It was a country that the world looked up to and admired. In 7 years, Bush has reduced the United States of America to a country that is reviled thoughout the world.  The economy is in shambles, the currency is hitting all time lows, millions of people will be losing their homes due to sub prime fiasco and there is a real chance that a recession will be coming. 

As President, Bush has failed the country, the american people and the world.  Instead of showing leadership that is becoming of a superpower, he has shown an uncanny ability to bully his friends and bomb his enemies.

Here is hoping that the American Electorate will use their power at the ballot box to effect real change in the next election.

God Bless America

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By Douglas Chalmers, December 4, 2007 at 9:43 pm Link to this comment

Quote: “... an affirmation that his own assessment of Iran’s intentions is still on target and military action against Iran is still a possibility….”

One of the main reasons for the last bombing and invasion of Iraq was to frighten China with “shock and awe”.

That not only failed but the USA is now confronted with highly-developed assymetrical warfare defensive tactics ready to be employed by most major nations.

Again, though, the rogues of the US White House Neocon world-domination club of Texan good ol’ boys want to try it again with first-strike tactical 100kiloton nuclear missiles.

The reason this time for the intended “shock and awe” is to find a way to frighten China (and Japan) into continuing to fund the US’s foreign trade deficit and reckless spending ad infinitum.

China will most probably simply say “no” because they have their own imperatives at home to think of just as much as the pretentiously precious lil’ol’ USA does. They will even go so far as to put troops on the ground in Iran if they have to…......

Then again, how much of this is also trying to force another showdown with Russia? Why? They are making $$$billions hand over fist in oil and gas exports while the stupid f@ckin’ USA is paying through the nose…... because of Bush’s oil-inflating policies!!! http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Russia/Background.html

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By Robert, December 4, 2007 at 9:04 pm Link to this comment

SECURITY

An Old Face Resurfaces

The Bush administration has offered the former World Bank president a new public service position.

By Michael Isikoff | NEWSWEEK

Dec 10, 2007 Issue

 
“Don’t ever say the Bush administration doesn’t take care of its own. Nearly three years after Paul Wolfowitz resigned as deputy Defense secretary and six months after his stormy departure as president of the World Bank—amid allegations that he improperly awarded a raise to his girlfriend—he’s in line to return to public service. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has offered Wolfowitz, a prime architect of the Iraq War, a position as chairman of the International Security Advisory Board, a prestigious State Department panel, according to two department sources who declined to be identified discussing personnel matters. The 18-member panel, which has access to highly classified intelligence, advises Rice on disarmament, nuclear proliferation, WMD issues and other matters. “We think he is well suited and will do an excellent job,” said one senior official.

Wolfowitz, now a visiting scholar at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, will replace former senator Fred Thompson, who quit over the summer to run for president. Although officials declined to say how Rice came to choose him, Wolfowitz began his government career in the 1970s in the State Department as an arms-control expert; he forged a relationship with Rice during the 2000 presidential campaign, when they both served as top foreign-policy advisers to the then candidate Bush. But his selection has raised more than a few eyebrows within State because he’ll be providing advice on some of the same issues that critics say the administration got spectacularly wrong when Wolfowitz was pushing the case for the Iraq War at the Pentagon. (One of the department sources called the appointment “amazing.”) At least Wolfowitz, who did not return calls seeking comment, will have like-minded company: other panel members include Robert Joseph, the former National Security Council official in charge of Iraq WMD intelligence, and ex-CIA director James Woolsey, both strong allies during the Iraq debate.

The sources said Wolfowitz has already accepted Rice’s offer to fill the part-time position, though it won’t be announced until the completion of a standard check for conflicts of interest. But he won’t have to worry about any complaints from pesky Democrats. The position doesn’t require Senate confirmation.”


http://www.newsweek.com/id/73273

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By Susan, December 4, 2007 at 8:15 pm Link to this comment
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In retrospect, I can see the hesitance to trust Iran.  The Iranian leader (not per say the Iranian people), has some twisted notions of how to run a country. He stated, during his visit to the U.S., his firm opinion on how “HE” views the Iranian people as a whole.  He feels Iran does not have gays, women enjoy how they are treated, and he does not and will not ever respect the U.S.  Clearly, he is not a man for the better good of his people.  No, that does not mean they in the midst of attempting to create the demise of Americans or those that support us.  After 9/11, I’m supportive of the notion to be cautious though.  Bush is doing the same thing any president would do, regardless of those who oppose his “thoughts”.  Times of war are sad, but I do not think Americans should become so emotionally charged that they lose sight that there may be threats against us that we really would rather choose to just have go away.  Just a thought.

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By Don Stivers, December 4, 2007 at 8:13 pm Link to this comment

So just where DOES G.W.Bush get his information?  Who out there says Iran is so dangerous that we have to bomb them?  What about those exRussian states that have nuclear bombs?

Why does ANYBODY listen to this ignorant, stupid, conniving person?  Congress, Pentagon, anybody?

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By DennisD, December 4, 2007 at 8:11 pm Link to this comment
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Beam me up Scotty, I’ve seen enough. Hurry - my phasers stuck on spin.

Never let the truth get in the way of a bullshit story.

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By Bryan Mitchell, December 4, 2007 at 8:01 pm Link to this comment
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This was in an article I just read on CNN which was defaming bush.  But read between the lines.

But in a report released Monday, U.S. intelligence agencies concluded that Iran had suspended nuclear weapons work in 2003 and was unlikely to produce enough weapons-grade uranium for a bomb until at least 2010.

It looks to me like people are trying to twist this to read it the way they want to.  Sure the “weapons work” was stopped in 2003 but by 2010 they will have enough enriched uranium to make a bomb.  That is only TWO years away.  Do you really think that just because the program making the uranium is for dmoestic purposes that the uranum couldn’t be used for a weapon, again only two years from now.  Bush isn’t changing his mind because this report isn’t new information!

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By Margaret from Portland, Oregon, December 4, 2007 at 7:38 pm Link to this comment
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The Shrub is lacking brain cells.

I say Impeach Bush/Chaney before we are in a third war, did not win the first went to the second had the surge and not much has changed, so why not go to a third war.

Military governments lead to a dictatorship what better way to have a dictatorship than a military government.

Be afraid, be very afraid.  This administration is getting scarier by the day, even by the hour.

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By A Khokar, December 4, 2007 at 6:54 pm Link to this comment

It is face saving rhetoric; in the face of retreat from Iraq.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, December 4, 2007 at 6:31 pm Link to this comment

Why shouldn’t he be skeptical?  The intelligence on Iraq WMD’s turned out to be totally false.  Intelligence, Insmelligence.  Stop pussy-footing around and get on over there and bomb those effers right back into the stone age. Then hop on up and bomb Russia.  Bomb everybody.  Bomb dogs and cats, cows, trees, the ocean, the sun and the seven other planets.  Bomb the North Pole.  Then when you’re done, bomb yourself.  Mission accomplished!

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By Iaukea, December 4, 2007 at 6:23 pm Link to this comment

The crazed and insane will not flinch a fraction away from their predetermined run to ignite (bomb Iran) the world into a firestorm of death.

Calling on the US House and Congress, IMPEACH Cheney & Bush

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By Trigger finger, December 4, 2007 at 6:16 pm Link to this comment
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A thought crosses my mind as I read this post and looked at the picture of this man that during the debates of the next few months, we should ask each aspiring presidential hopeful to read aloud a paragraph from “Dick and Jane take Spot for a walk” and then explain aloud in his own words (without looking at the pictures) the meaning of the paragraph. If they stumble, take that person off the ballot.  That might save us another embarrassment like this.

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By QuyTran, December 4, 2007 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment

Israel is behind him and telling him to say otherwise

This guy is an excellent servant of Isreal. This nation will no longer belong to the American when he and his criminal empire still exists.

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By Kevin James, December 4, 2007 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment
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http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1690696,00.html?xid=rss-world

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