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Ear to the Ground

A British Reality Check on Progress In Iraq

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Posted on Dec 3, 2007
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The UK will hand over control of Basra to Iraqi forces despite failing in its goal to establish security there, an MPs’ [members of Parliament] report says.

The city is dominated by militias and the police contains “murderous” and “corrupt” elements, the report added.

The whole purpose of the UK forces’ presence may be in question due to cuts, the Defence Committee suggested.

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By Conservative Yankee, December 7, 2007 at 10:47 am Link to this comment
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Fifteen young men from Saudi Arabia had traveled half-way around the world to murder nearly 3,000 American citizens on live TV. One would think that big red flags don’t get much bigger and redder than that.

At least 15 US citizens including Ernest Hemingway and Errol Flynn participated in the Spanish Civil war which some historians say set the stage for WW II. Foreign intervention within a sovereign Nation is NEVER a good move, but to extrapolate from that (non-governmental) intervention an “official position” is theory at best.

Zaki Yamani The Saudi Oil Minister back in the 60’s 70’s had dinner with us after a business meeting at SOCONY.

I found him to be an educated well-spoken CAPITALIST of the first order. Educated at Harvard he understood the qualms many US citizens had about the changes (1972-3 &4;) in the oil market, and the questions as to if this was payback for US support for Israel during their “Six day” war in ‘67. Yamani made a very good case for it being “a business decision”, rather than revenge. He also pointed to the fact that the “Western” based Oil conglomerates (primarily BP Gulf and EXXON) were making better profits on Saudi oil than were the Saudis. “We can’t keep paying your bills” he said.

I’ve met a great many official folks from the Kingdom since then, and one thing they all have in common is BUSINESS comes first. I sincerely believe that the government of Saudi Arabia hates terrorism as much as any entity in the world.

Michigan is not responsible for Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols nor is Saudi Arabia responsible for Osama Bin Laden

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By Outraged, December 4, 2007 at 8:27 pm Link to this comment

Quote: “The trouble is the experience in every-day life terms of the Iraqi population in that area is largely experience of the police and we say they remain murderous, corrupt and infiltrated by militias and that’s a real worry.”

Exactly who are “infiltrating” the police and other factions is a huge issue.  I was linked to this article, (from some thread somewhere) I don’t know if the article is accurate but it appears to be.

An excerpt:
“Which brings us to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Shortly after 9/11, we all learned that the overwhelming majority of the hijackers, a full fifteen out of the nineteen men who carried out the attacks, were Saudi nationals. So was the man who personally selected each and every one of the nineteen hijackers and provided them with training and financing – Osama bin Laden.
Indeed, Bin Laden was from one of the Kingdom’s richest and most well - connected families.  Fifteen young men from Saudi Arabia had traveled half-way around the world to murder nearly 3,000 American citizens on live TV. One would think that big red flags don’t get much bigger and redder than that. But incredibly, these facts were quickly dismissed by the Bush administration, discounted of any significance whatsoever with the same blunt self-assuredness with which they had informed the American public about all of those weapons of mass destruction they knew Saddam Hussein was stockpiling in Iraq.  Administration officials repeatedly assured the American people that, in fact, the Saudis were our “friends and allies in the war on terror.” These statements culminated in April 2002, with Crown Prince Abdullah’s (now the King of Saudi Arabia) visit to Pres. Bush’s home in Crawford, Texas. There, Pres. Bush sought to put to rest any discussion of Saudi involvement in the attacks on 9/11 by telling the American people that, “The Crown Prince and I had a very cordial meeting that confirmed the strong relationship between Saudi Arabia and the United States of America. . . . It’s a strong and important friendship, and he knows that and I know that.”

Since that time, a steady stream of disturbing revelations about the Kingdom have emerged in the public record, illustrating time and again how the Saudis have played a central role in both the rise of Al Qaeda, and in inciting the global jihad (holy war) of which Al Qaeda is just a part.

http://www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com/

The article is lengthy and has four parts but well worth the time.

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By mary, December 4, 2007 at 8:00 am Link to this comment

That’s right, call it a victory and get out.  Now that’s a plan we need to put in place.  But the big business news media want us to stay, we don’t control the oil yet!

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By QuyTran, December 3, 2007 at 1:46 pm Link to this comment

Mission accomplished…in half way ! So when are GIs going home ?

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By thomas billis, December 3, 2007 at 1:18 pm Link to this comment
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The Brits have read the handwriting on the wall.With Tony Blair and his connections to BP out of the way the way is clear fort us to control Iraqi oil ourselves.This whole exercize was is and always will be about oil.Nobody in the Presidents or Vice Presidents family is willing to die for oil but your kids is another story.The ruling class in this country does not care how much of a sacrifice you make to acheive their goals.
The best part of the Brits pulling out is when we are told the surge is working.Let me see if I have this right, the Brits were willing to send in their soldiers to fight and die but with victory at hand they have decided to pull out.What part of the previous sentence sounds like Bush logic?What do they know that we are not being told?

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By ender, December 3, 2007 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment

Sounds like a “win win” situtaion.  Our boys need to be on the boat right behind them.  We’ve blown Iraq to heck and back and now we can leave them to fight their own civil war.  Violence will definately drop once they get that little shuffle over.

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By ender, December 3, 2007 at 12:56 pm Link to this comment

Sounds like a “win win” situtaion.  Our boys need to be on the boat right behind them.  We’ve blown Iraq to hell and back and now we can leave them to fight their own civil war.  Violence will definately drop once they get that little shuffle over.

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By tomack, December 3, 2007 at 11:31 am Link to this comment

This ship has already sunk. What we are seeing now is flounder, flotsam, and jetsam.

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By Conservative Yankee, December 3, 2007 at 10:08 am Link to this comment
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Usually when rats leave, it is a sign that the “ship” is going down. 


What-da-ya-think?

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