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Sudanese Rally for Execution of British TeacherPosted on Nov 30, 2007
An apparently innocent class exercise, during which British teacher Gillian Gibbons allowed her students in Khartoum, Sudan, to name a teddy bear Muhammad, has led to 15 days of jail time, deportation and now death threats for Gibbons.
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By 1drees, December 3, 2007 at 11:14 am #
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NOT to forget that this is the same land & country where the USA bombed a Phamaceutical factory and labelled it as a “chemical weapons factory”, People like me might have bought the “Chemical weapons factory” crap had there not been some reasonable replies from the govt & the UNO so some months later i realised that was a coverup too.
BUT on the other hand the people who been buying painkillers from that factory on the regular basis might have gotten very upset about the whole thing and most probably that whole affair did leave its mark and maybe there is some reaction for that in all this affair too, i mean after the US actions there are many who are just plain repulsed by anything western especially maybe if it exhibits any signs of what they deem as “hostile” or maybe some other thing like that.
Report thislets see where it all goes in the next few days.
By THE MANGEMEISTER, December 3, 2007 at 10:29 am #
The Village Idiot I agree with some of your comments.You should check out an article published on Sept.1/07 at http://www.bollyn.com,I think you might find it informative.
Report thisBy Daniel, December 2, 2007 at 6:23 pm #
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I would like to add to my previous post that today, I have named not only my mother-in-law, but also my two cats, “Mohammed.”
Report thisBy The Village Idiot, December 2, 2007 at 5:50 pm #
#117340 by ntc: “And hey Village Idiot, being criticial of the actions of others doesn’t mean we aren’t critical of our own people and policies.”
That’s my whole point. “We” may be critical of ourselves at this blog or another, but “we” are hardly scrutinizing ourselves at all in the mainstream media, which is the source of most of the stories we end up commenting on at these ‘alternative’ media sites. I was just wondering why “these” but not “those” stories in general; it’s a problem that’s been with us for a long time, and now it seems to be turned up to maximum.
Anyway, the idea that I am in any way “politically correct” is hilarious (quote from Frank: “Your absurd politically correct apologist rant"). I suggest you read slower next time, and formulate a response after reading something, not during. I never said this was not an important story, even though in the grand scheme of things it isn’t, and I also in no way condoned what was reported with “blind tolerance.”
And then there’s this: “Somehow, posting an article about barbaric stupidity in a poor country is supposed to equate to whitewashing the crimes of empire. It’s as though the thought of criticising BOTH is inconceivable, as though denouncing one means finding accommodations for the other.”
Substantive criticism of both is indeed inconceivable; I see cherry-picked stories of events impacting a few individuals being reported over major events that impact either a far greater number of people or that implicate the US government in actions classifiable as war crimes. What is going on in Sudan is bad; it’s ignorant and embarrassing to me as a human. However, it is not directly affecting me, other than to attempt to color my opinion of Muslims. Notice the lack of “feel-good” stories involving Muslims, but plenty of this kind of thing.
When I look at the numbers, I find it interesting that I’m the one being told to “wake up.” Desert nomads, cave-dwelling fanatics, and impoverished people stuck in third world conditions are going to gather up and somehow take over the world with their ideology and maybe some suicide vests? I guess that’s possible, but when I look at death tolls, infrastructure damage, environmental destruction, or any other comparative indices of this culture war I have to say the West is clearly still on top, and the probable winner. Sure, Europe is regretting its open-door policy at this point, but I never made any comments about immigration (and I do think that what’s going on in Europe and the US regarding immigration is a big problem, for what it’s worth).
One last example: Depleted uranium has been used so extensively by our troops around the world that “More than ten times the amount of radiation released during atmospheric testing (of nuclear bombs) has been released from depleted uranium weaponry since 1991,” according to Leuren Moret, formerly employed for five years at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and also at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. Cancer rates in Iraq and Afghanistan are soaring, as are birth defects, thanks to the radiation. This is far worse than an extremist ideology (DU lasts eons longer, for one thing), AND it’s a direct threat to Americans since so many troops are being sickened by it as well, not to mention we’re scattering pieces of a dirty bomb all over the place, only needing to be gathered up and put to use by one so suicidally inclined. But no, an angry mob in Sudan gets the column space. Wake up indeed…
Report thisBy Luis Cayetano, December 1, 2007 at 9:52 pm #
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I’ve noticed how some people get their panties in a twist whenever something like this is reported. “Oh, but what about Israel! Why don’t you criticise America for her crimes against humanity?” Somehow, posting an article about barbaric stupidity in a poor country is supposed to equate to whitewashing the crimes of empire. It’s as though the thought of criticising BOTH is inconceivable, as though denouncing one means finding accommodations for the other. You don’t need to be an imperialist ideologue to find the deranged state of many Muslims disturbing (which I do, and I’m very much against imperialism). You don’t need to be an apologist for religious horse-s**t to find the use of cluster bombs and depleted uranium deplorable (which I do, and I’m an atheist who pretty much despises religion). Those who would place themselves in either camp are not doing the victims any favours at all. You’re just creating the conditions for more division and animosity. You also make yourselves look like self-righteous bores who pretend that no one else could possibly care for an issue unless they surrender themselves to the prescribed ideology. You’re buying right into the us-versus-them mentality that you accuse the other side of perpetuating. No to religious dementia, and no to the imperial fundamentalism that makes it look like a viable alternative for so many. I for one refuse to sign onto anyone’s camp if that means turning a blind eye to crap committed by one’s side. It would be less hypocritical to just stop criticising any injustice at all rather than whitewashing or sugar coating particular instances of it. Enough of this childish whinging of “what about what they did?” Of course one should question the motives for criticism: no one can deny, for example, that Saddam Hussein was a vile dictator, but we should be sceptical about the motives for criticism emanating from his former backers, and we should in any case check their accuracy. But we shouldn’t think that ANY criticism is hypocritical, and that we should stop criticising anything that goes on in the Third World just because Western civilisation has its own problems.
Report thisBy Logician, December 1, 2007 at 4:47 pm #
#117251 by Passerby on 11/30 at 7:56 pm:
Hey, dude, thanks for a great laugh over yet another depressing piece of news about the greatest insanity of humankind: the filth of religion.
I converted when I first read your comment and now Mohammed has risen for me! I feel so special! And now I need only one hand to pray!
Now, when I run into some dofus named Mohammed I can say, “Hey, just like my penis!”
Do they deserve this? Oooohhh yessss they do, every freaking one of the inbreeds. Just like the Jesus freaks, the Torah Toters, in fact, any moron who believes in any magical being.
None of them deserve any respect, only mocking laughter. Nothing pisses them off more. I tried it once with a Baptist. I played really stupid and when he got to the part about Baptisim I laughed like crazy and and kept saying, “Dude, you’re kidding me, right? I mean, you just saw that shit on an episode of South Park, right?” I kept laughing at every response, because, really, if you think about it, it IS really funny, it’s so damn stupid. He went ape and assaulted me. It was even funnier when I pressed charges.
Religious freaks, the best inbred entertainment in town!
May Mohammed rise for you, seem, seem, salabeem!
Report thisBy Douglas Chalmers, December 1, 2007 at 3:35 pm #
#117383 by Daniel on 12/01 at 1:21 pm: “GREAT suggestion! I just named my mother-in-law “Mohammed.”...”
Now you WILL get 40 lashes, ha ha!
Report thisBy dale Headley, December 1, 2007 at 3:26 pm #
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I’m waiting for George Bush to condemn this primitive, heinous act as vigorously as he tells us that Iran is evil. He won’t though, unless someone tells him that Sudan has an abundance of oil that it wants to keep to itself.
Report thisBy Daniel, December 1, 2007 at 1:28 pm #
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...15 days of jail time and deportation. And what about the 40 lashes? If the mullahs start coddling the criminals what is this world coming to?
Report thisBy laughoutloud, December 1, 2007 at 1:23 pm #
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Ever notice how anywhere in the world where there are poor people, wether it be in Africa, Asia, or even parts of westernized countries like the southeast US, there is a extremely higher level of religious activity and fundamentalism?
It’s because the leaders/corporations that keep them in that porrer economic state also press religion on the poor to give them something to look forward too. ‘Don’t worry if you have nothing here on this earth, just work hard and lay up yourselves treasures in heaven.’, and,’the meek shall inherit the earth.’
It creates a mind set where the poor people think that life on earth will never get better economically, so live a strict code of conduct according to whatever the local dogma is, and you will have eternal riches in heaven.
Thats why you don’t see the kind of religious revolt in developed, ‘first world’ countries. A lot of us all live in an environment where the material wealth is enough that we don’t really care about what is waiting for us in the life to come because for us, life right now isn’t all that bad.
But for poor people, the thought of endless riches in the after-life is all they have to look forward too. Hence, they take it A LOT more seriously.
Why do you think that there are so many people that can go and protest and march on their government buildings in poor countries, because they have nothing else to do!
So don’t blame the people protesting, as ridiculous as it sounds to us, blame the leaders of the world that horde all the money to themselves and an elite few others who keep the majorities of their own peoples down-trodden and poor.
Report thisBy Daniel, December 1, 2007 at 1:21 pm #
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Passerby (#117251), GREAT suggestion! I just named my mother-in-law “Mohammed.”
Report thisBy ntc, December 1, 2007 at 7:30 am #
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Hey! What about those 7 year old kids? How can THEY be let off scott free? Maybe, oh, I don’t know, they should each have a hand lopped off for disrespecting Allah. And what of the parents? Clearly not teaching their children right - maybe stoning? Oh, just one parent should be killed - we wouldn’t want to be cruel.
And hey Village Idiot, being criticial of the actions of others doesn’t mean we aren’t critical of our own people and policies.
Report thisBy Frank, December 1, 2007 at 7:16 am #
Village Idiot, if you don’t see why this story is important, then your name suits you well. To address your examples of domestic equivalency, this is not a decision made by a few individuals on a local school board or an accidental victim of a bomb dropped by the military. This is the expression of the insanity of a substantial segment of Sudanese society calling for someone to be executed by the state for a perceived religious insult. This is about a psychological virus that is mainstream in many countries like Sudan and throughout the middle east, which threatens to spread through Europe like a plaque, eroding freedom, democracy and all that is good in western civilization.
Your absurd politically correct apologist rant here illustrates the blind tolerance that is going to cause Europe to either fall completely, or to ultimately resort to some fascist reactionary movement at the last minute once everyone there finally wakes up to the threat a few years too late for democratically implemented safeguards like immigration control and integration education policies.
In short, wake the hell up.
Report thisBy Margaret from Portland Oregon, December 1, 2007 at 6:10 am #
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It is apparent that the seven year olds do not know their religion the schoolteacher was not a muslim, maybe if the mother of these seven year olds knew the tenants of their religion they would have told their children to tell the teacher.
And why would a person have to be executed for an offence that was not ment to insult anyone.
The muslim religion is so intollerent of women who teach, maybe they are afraid that love might creep in.
Is the muslim religion one of hate and misery must one beat their back until it is bloody for their God to say that they are doing the right thing.
Of course to be different from other religions they have to make people pray five times a day and that makes them a better person, I just wonder what is in their hearts are they praying for justice?
Report thisBy The Village Idiot, December 1, 2007 at 5:26 am #
We criticize the mainstream media all the time for what they report (or fail to report), and this has been going on for decades. Most observers of the media quickly come to the conclusion that the stories being reported (or buried) are hand-picked to be so, which begs some questions. So does the fact that nearly all media outlets stay precisely on-message, so much so that a “variety” of channels is just like a “variety” of fast-food restaurants to choose from; it’s the same garbage from the same processing plant, you’re only choosing your favorite packaging.
Lately, we hear of a schoolteacher being vilified for something patently absurd and a young woman being treated like a criminal for being raped, both in Islamic countries. Why “these” stories but not “those” stories? And one of “those” could be the teacher in THIS country who was disciplined and actually charged for being unable to stop porno pop-ups from popping up on her computer at school, which was a mistake just as innocent as the teacher’s in Sudan (and no kids actually saw any images; it’s every bit as preposterous as the case in Sudan!). Our own culture is not blameless in terms of persecution of rape victims, either (you short-skirt wearing temptresses you), though things have improved greatly here in that respect over the past 30-40 years.
Yeah, let’s keep telling ourselves it’s all “them” being backward and superstitious “over there.” Mmm-hmm. Watch how they gather in large, knife-wielding mobs and call for the blood of a schoolteacher, yes a SCHOOLTEACHER! How absolutely BARBARIC! Hey, does anybody know how many schoolteachers in Fallujah sucked in a big ol’ lung-full of white phosphorous that reacted with the water in their bodies, burning away all their flesh but leaving their clothing intact? But wait, that’s all different; different in the sense that we didn’t see it on TV (you can see it online though). It’s barbaric when people gather in the streets demanding blood; it’s apparently refined and civilized when people stay home being quietly complicit in the spilling of blood.
Who’s hand is doing the picking in this hand-picked media? Why are we even watching it? And OMG! Is Brittany going to keep the baby???
Report thisBy 1drees, December 1, 2007 at 4:36 am #
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OUR ZIONAZI LILMAMAZER SAYS :
“ As if Israel is the only place in the world where individuals sometimes get in trouble? Get real.
You can’t do better than that to smear a whole nation?
L A M E “
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Well, dummy EVERY TIME you see anything anti-muslim reported you jump to avail the opportunity to show them as AS Big a SAVAGES as your Israeli friends for this reason people like me try to SHOW YOU THAT YOUR LAND OF PERFECTION (where you dont want to move to or even visit) is A GREATER FIASCO, LIKE you keep mentioning SAUDIs and the whippings BUT YOU ARE BLIND TO HE BROTHEL SLAVERY IN TEL AVAIV OF ABOUT 70,000 EAST EUROPEON WOMEN, COZ MAYBE THAT’s very civilised behavior in Israel.
AND a brief reminder to you that if you research Israel well you will see that Israel is full of DEMENTED & BLOODTHURSTY NUTJOBS LIKE YOU which is probably why you never moved to that HEAVEN ON EARTH in the first place.
Also I would like to point out that Embassies & smaller UNIS are more thn just emabssies especilly in case of USA coz for USa Embassies are also where most of spying equipment are installed nd similar other stuff.
Report thisHOWEVER, in case of Israel the Espionge installations and spyrings and more just dont operate out of the EMBASSIES BUT ALSO OUT of local ISRAELI & ZIONAZI “offices” of any sort which also try their best to serve the militaristic agendas under any available name or function, and who knows maybe this lilMAMY is an employee of a certain similar oganistion and is being paid to distribute and do other ZIONAZI functions.
By thomas billis, December 1, 2007 at 4:34 am #
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The 15 days that the teacher got was nothing compared to the punishment handed out to the teddy bear.The Muslim court set up to handle Smart Ass Teddy Bears who allow themselves to be named Muhammed was de stuffed and deported to the Island of Teddy.
Report thisBy purplewolf, November 30, 2007 at 11:05 pm #
This is a good example of why organized religious should be banned worldwide. Total mob rule insanity. Islam is not the only religious group to display this type of behaviour, most religions have had their own moments of the crazies where some perceived slight toward them has been blown all out of proportion. Instead of looking at the slight-real or imagined- emotion, ignorance and total lack of common sense or respect for others over rule intelligence and level headed thinking.
Perhaps it’s time for all foreigners to leave all the countries they are invading for what ever reason they are there in the first place, be it an active war, a military base in another country, a job helping? educate the people of another country, to help with a crisis, medical, the list is endless, it is time to call it quits. There are to many problems when others invade another country claiming to help. All to often, as we have seen, it turns out for reasons other than what is claimed. Take Iraq for example. Besides people don’t like someone else invading their space uninvited.
To the interlopers: you have worn out your non-existent welcome along time ago.Leave these people to themselves. It is none of your business or as Ann Landers always said: MYOB-mind your own business. Perhaps if people did there would not be so many problems we see today. And that goes for organized religions everywhere who feel it is their right to dictate how you live and run your own personal life. They would be more than busy just managing their own business.
Report thisBy Passerby, November 30, 2007 at 7:56 pm #
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I just named my penis “Mohammed”!!! Join the world-wide peaceful protest campain - name everything “mohammed” - stuffed animals, sex toys, body parts, piles of shit - anything will do - let’s see how it will drive the moslem jerks crazy…
Report thisBy GrammaConcept, November 30, 2007 at 7:36 pm #
.....Religion is from the top down.....Spirituality is from the inside out....
Report thisBy Douglas Chalmers, November 30, 2007 at 6:15 pm #
#117207 by don knutsen on 11/30: “...When we can finally trandsend beyond the need to worship some diety instead of acknowleding whats best for a free and productive society we will always be shackled by the bone-headedness of religion..... Its amazing really, that so many of us still cling to some notion that its someone else who choregraphs our existance and were just followers. Its a cop out, it keeps us from moving forward and adressing the ills in a productive way....”
“bone-headedness” has nothing to do with religion any more than religion has anything to do with god. One is a human construct and the other is a human condition.
God is the Creator. We are only a minor product of Its creation...... forever seeking to dictate terms as a result of our inner fears and anxieities (lack of spirituality).
Worshipping is a means of inducing people to get down on their knees and beg. It gives some a certain sense of power to get people to do that (humility is personal).
To have a quarter of some handled cheap dry biscuit then stuck in your mouth and to have a chance at a sip of watered-down wine from a dirty cup......well?!?!
Its all rather like going to a fancy French restaurant to have the experience of being insulted by some rude Parisian waiter who needs a good kick up the ass.
The reason is to avoid “addressing” one’s own delusions and shortcomings in any real way. If we know Truth, then we must also face the awful truth about ourselves, uhh.........
Report thisBy AUC, November 30, 2007 at 6:01 pm #
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What happened to the seven-year-old students who came up with the name in the first place? Were they punished in any way?
How did it get out that they’d named this bear? Did a kid run home and say “Mommy, guess what we did in school today?!”
Report thisBy Evan Marshall, November 30, 2007 at 5:51 pm #
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. . the teddy bear, however, was beheaded . . .
Report thisBy Douglas Chalmers, November 30, 2007 at 4:49 pm #
#117179 by lilmamzer on 11/30: “As you like to say, “uhh”.... the samet 9th century desert pedophile the Arabs decided would make an ideal figurehead for a violent death cult called Islam....”
Just when you had proven yourself to be as “moronic” as they come, you go one step further, lilmamzer.
Islam is a religion of self-sacrifice and martyrdom. Whatever “religion” you subscribe to, the pleasures and perils (most prominently, emasculation) inherent in being the son of a Jewish family..... the women share the same neurotic need to submerge themselves in (your) Jewish identity so as to co-opt some of the same family love that was missing from their own lives....
“Doctor what should I rid myself of, tell me, the hatred… or the love?” http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portnoy_et_son_complexe
Report thisBy don knutsen, November 30, 2007 at 4:34 pm #
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An excellent example of what extream fundimentalist religion brings. This isn’t anything new. The puritans burned young women at the stake 400 years ago in our countries early years. When we can finally trandsend beyond the need to worship some diety instead of acknowleding whats best for a free and productive society we will always be shackled by the bone-headedness of religion. Its amazing really, that so many of us still cling to some notion that its someone else who choregraphs our existance and were just followers. Its a cop out, it keeps us from moving forward and adressing the ills in a productive way.
Report thisBy P. T., November 30, 2007 at 4:18 pm #
Lil, as I pointed out to you, you’d fit right in.
Report thisBy lilmamzer, November 30, 2007 at 4:14 pm #
#117193 by P. T. on 11/30 at 4:04 pm
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Hey, Lil, get a job as an Israeli diplomat. You’d fit right in. Click http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo= 892486&contrassID=0&subContrassID=0
Thanks for the link. It shows me that Israel, being the open society that it is, has a healthy press.
As if Israel is the only place in the world where individuals sometimes get in trouble? Get real.
You can’t do better than that to smear a whole nation?
L A M E
Report thisBy P. T., November 30, 2007 at 4:04 pm #
Hey, Lil, get a job as an Israeli diplomat. You’d fit right in. Click http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo= 892486&contrassID=0&subContrassID=0
Report thisBy lilmamzer, November 30, 2007 at 3:58 pm #
#117183 by P. T. on 11/30 at 3:46 pm
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“PT, time for you to get a teaching job in Sudan.”
Hey, I’d probably be better off there than under ZioNazi occupation getting run over by bulldozers. The people of southern Lebanon understood that and acted accordingly.
Uh oh, he said “ZioNazi”. Now we know we’re dealing with a real sharp cookie.
Your analogy is childish and absurd. What does Israel have to do with hordes of bloodthirsty Muslims in Sudan demanding the death of a British schoolteacher, anyway?
Oh, right....it somehow all comes back to Israel, in your twisted mind, anyway.
Go to Sudan and get that job.
Report thisBy P. T., November 30, 2007 at 3:58 pm #
Israeli diplomat found naked and drunk in yard. Click http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11& ar=1350
Report thisBy laughoutloud, November 30, 2007 at 3:47 pm #
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This is a good example of why religion could be compared to a mental illness.
Report thisBy P. T., November 30, 2007 at 3:46 pm #
“PT, time for you to get a teaching job in Sudan.”
Hey, I’d probably be better off there than under ZioNazi occupation getting run over by bulldozers. The people of southern Lebanon understood that and acted accordingly.
Report thisBy lilmamzer, November 30, 2007 at 3:35 pm #
#117177 by Douglas Chalmers on 11/30 at 3:28 pm
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This has something to do with either or both (a) the USA criticizing the Sudanese government over its conflict with “rebels”, and (b) the US bombing of Sudan and other areas in the region recently and back to 1998
Just when you had proven yourself to be as moronic as they come, you go one step further.
The teacher is a Brit, Chalmers.
As you like to say, “uhh”.
This is the same instant reversion to violence that occurred when the Danes published those cartoons of Muhammad. Yeah, the samet 9th century desert pedophile the Arabs decided would make an ideal figurehead for a violent death cult called Islam.
Your logic would have us blame the US for THOSE riots, too.
LMFAO what a moron
Report thisBy lilmamzer, November 30, 2007 at 3:30 pm #
#117176 by P. T. on 11/30 at 3:27 pm
The rabble misunderstand. The bear is named Muhammad Ali.
Another day in the wonderful world of Islam.
PT, time for you to get a teaching job in Sudan. We gladly sacrifice you to the bloodthirsty Islamic mob. Keeps them pacified for a little while, and makes you at least semi-useful.
Report thisBy Douglas Chalmers, November 30, 2007 at 3:28 pm #
This has something to do with either or both (a) the USA criticizing the Sudanese government over its conflict with “rebels”, and (b) the US bombing of Sudan and other areas in the region recently and back to 1998 http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9908/18/sudan/
“The bombing of the El-Shifa pharmaceutical plant in the Sudan by the United States was a “grave act of terrorism”, as heinous and cowardly as the bombings in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam”, the Minister for External Relations of the Sudan, Mustafa Osman Ismail, told the (UN) General Assembly.....
Some history http://www.twf.org/News/Y1999/0507-SudanMistake.html
Report thisBy P. T., November 30, 2007 at 3:27 pm #
The rabble misunderstand. The bear is named Muhammad Ali.
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