#117475 by cyrena on 12/02 at 1:21 am • #117416 by GW=MCHammered on 12/01: “Whatever Mr. Eisenberg’s condition or method of message delivery, he has a valid point: US Mental Health Care is fractured at best....” - “You’ve got this right GW=Mchammered… The Mental Health Care for citizens is horrific, and not for lack of caring professionals....”

This happened in several countries, cyrena + GW=MCHammered. I guess they all took their lead from the USA or Britain or wherever it first started as a kind of excuse.

The care institutions were closed and the inmates mostly turned out onto the streets. But there were no managed residences for them and they were forced to compete with everybody else for rented accomodation.

Inevtiably, they quickly became more stressed and their conditions worsened. The solution was for (a) the landlords to use tenancy regulations as a weapon to evict them, and (b) the police to use their guns to eradicacte them.

In other words, it became, and still is, that at its most basic, society’s policy of “care” for these people is summary execution on the street! Well, a bullet is of course a lot cheaper, uhh.......

But, cyrena, some of these disorders are caused by chemicals in our food and in the environment to which some people are particularly sensitive. Bipolar/schizophrenia is sometimes a misinterpretation of other conditions and regarding which psychologists are in denial about the fact that they don’t really understand the human psyche as much as they pretend.

As most of modern psychology was originaly usurped from the Buddhist and other mystical knowledge, psychologists have ignored the spiritual component and thus refer to anything they themselves don’t understand as being merely delusional. That many psychologists then personally study Buddhism and continue to deny others’ spiritual stresses is a crime itself.

As you say, “ but just the stress of a life that has become increasingly more difficult to live....” makes depression a more common condition, if not actually inevitable at some stage in life. That is characterized by lack of energy as well because it is a changed hormonal state which has far-reaching effects. Again, the spiritual element in life is utterly ignored.

For the unthinking rank materialist, they will reamain happy in their ignorance as long as they have their daily feed of “bread and circuses”. Take that away from them and there will be trouble and that is where society is headed with the forthcoming recession. At some stage, we must all realize that EQ (emotional quotient) and SQ (spiritual quotient) are as important as IQ in all of our lives.

• #117416 by GW=MCHammered on 12/01 at 4:12 pm
Whatever Mr. Eisenberg’s condition or method of message delivery, he has a valid point: US Mental Health Care is fractured at best.

You’ve got this right GW=Mchammered…
The Mental Health Care for citizens is horrific, and not for lack of caring professionals. The thing is, there IS more of it now, because we’ve ALWAYS had the genetic issues to deal with. (The bi-polar, the clinical depression, and the schizophrenia, etc). For those people, treatment has always been a necessary requirement.

But, while constantly decreasing the services and facilities available to these parts of our populations, (Regan basically shut down all of these facilities in California, back in the 80’s) we’ve ALSO ADDED to the population of those suffering these disorders, that are not necessarily a result of genetics, but just the stress of a life that has become increasingly more difficult to live.

Just in only ONE element of the whole, lets look at the number of people who have lost their homes, either to the most recent mortgage crises, or the huge rise in unemployment, or the fact that they have NORMAL medical issues and are without insurance. I could go on, but there are SO MANY conditions (that don’t ‘have to be’) that have increased the numbers of the mentally ill among us. Then there are the addition of several million people now suffering from Alzheimer’s. And, fewer and fewer facilities.

The FORTUNATE ones have received treatment, but how many are left to get by on their own, (and wind up on the streets or as you said, in prisons) because that’s where the conditions have put them?

How awful is it that this man had enough presence of mind to KNOW that he needed care, and couldn’t get it, because he couldn’t afford it? And, what are we gonna do about it? Has Hillary said? She’s said only that the man ‘needed help’. Well DUH!!

I remember several years ago, before The Coup, when Tipper Gore sponsored the first sort of National Convention on Mental Health. There was little attention paid, though eventually, the Phamies made a whole bunch of money on a new batch of drugs. (billions). And yep, many of these drugs have proven helpful. Problem is, they aren’t available to the people who need them the most. I suspect that was Mr. Eisenberg’s point. (as you noted).

And, that is such a despicable state of affairs for such a ‘grand nation’ eh?

Staged?

Heavily armed SWAT team members, protecting themselves with shields, called to the man over bullhorns and attempted to hand a phone into the office....”

Looking at the pics, were these snipers really a police SWAT team or were they Blackwater personnel? They had jungle camouflage uniforms, full backpacks, and several weapons each - and one of them had his face masked........

The man could hardly be called deranged if he had let a woman with an infant go immediately and at least one other woman got out about two hours later. And what was the garbage about “handing a phone into the office”?

This time the Bushies have gone too far.