Zogby International has issued a statement in defense of its poll showing Hillary Clinton, unlike Barack Obama and John Edwards, losing to any of the top five Republican candidates. Clinton’s chief political strategist dismissed the survey as “meaningless,” and Zogby shot back, noting that “no other campaign has made as many requests for Zogby polling data over the years than [Mark] Penn has made on behalf of Clinton.”
In fairness to Clinton, the latest Gallup poll shows her winning against the same Republican candidates.
Zogby International:
All is fair in love and war, the centuries-old proverb states. Politics is not included, but given the way the game is played in modern-day America, maybe it should be. That’s the sense I had again this morning watching Mark Penn, the chief political strategist for Democrat Hillary Clinton, denigrate our latest Zogby Interactive survey simply because it showed his client in a bad light (Link to Latest Poll Number). Penn made the contention on the MSNBC morning news program hosted by Joe Scarborough (Link to Video)
Penn mischaracterized this latest online Zogby poll as our first interactive survey ever - a bizarre contention, since we have been developing and perfecting our Internet polling methodology for nearly a decade (Zogby Intreractive Methodology), and since Penn’s company has been quietly requesting the results of such polls from Zogby for years. We always comply as part of our pledge to give public Zogby polling results to any and every candidate and campaign that asks for them. What is interesting is that no other campaign has made as many requests for Zogby polling data over the years than Penn has made on behalf of Clinton.
Because Mark Penn is a quality pollster himself, we chalk up his contention that our poll is “meaningless” as a knee-jerk reaction by a campaign under pressure coming down the stretch. Several other polls - Zogby surveys and others - have shown her national lead and her leads in early-voting states like Iowa and New Hampshire have shrunk. This is not unusual. These presidential contests usually tighten as the primaries and caucuses approach.
Fritz Wenzel
Director of Communications
Zogby International
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Active citizens should always vote on the basis of where a candidate stands on issues that truly matter and never on the basis of statements by media pundits as to who is supposedly electable. This process of voting based upon deceptive images depicted through advertising and the corporate media has produced what Noam Chomsky aptly refers to as the “democracy deficit”—the gap between where citizens and their elected representatives stand on policy. The most meaningful poll was the blind-poll which listed the actual positions of candidates on issues of substance, but did not provide their names. One candidate, Dennis Kucinich, received more than 50% of the vote. The so-called leading candidates—Obama, Edwards & Clinton were all in the low single digits.
This idea of voting based on whom the polls say will win always reminds me of what I had seen written on a men’s room wall at UCLA back in the early seventies. It read, “Eat sh-t! Ten billion flies can’t all be wrong.”
By thomas billis, November 28, 2007 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment
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Queen Hillary is right.How dare peasant Zogby release a negative poll.It looks like Zogby will not the resident poll taker at the court of Queen Hillary.If you do not have the facts on your side attack the person if you cannot attack the person attack the system.I nominate Mark Penn for Court Jester.
I know I recently heard Hillary say that she pays little or no attention to polls. Wenzel’s statement and Penn’s flap indicate that her staff does. Since Hillary pays the bills one would think that she would realize that she’s paying for services that she seemingly has no use for. Or are we into contradiction - one of Hillary’s less than admirable foibles.
Well, I don’t know anyone who likes her from any point on the grid.
Not that it matters to her cult following what the very real world risks are of pushing such a divisive nominee. Actually, on second thought—even though she is the manufactured candidate promoted by the corporate powerbrokers, she is a uniter in the sense that all points in the spectrum will rally against her in an election where there should be no question, no risk, but a clean break and decisive sweep.
By mike, November 28, 2007 at 9:53 am Link to this comment
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has anyone else noticed that when the republicans are talking its always about hillary. fox news it pushing her as the demos best chance. thats because they believe thats the one person they can run agianst and win. because then the can run agianst her and bill and not have to talk about their policys. And lot of people just will not vote for her no matter what
The last two polls that Zogby emailed for me to fill out were suspect! They did not allow me to “continue” to the final couple of questions after I had filled out most of the poll—including saying the political party I feel affilliated to, who I had voted for last time, and (probably—I can’t remember for sure) who I am currently planning to vote for. Since I am currently planning to vote for Hillary, and was then, too, my results could never have become part of the results. I wondered how many others—who also plan to vote for Hillary—met the same suspicious fate. And, yes, after the second time, I emailed Zogby and told them; I have never had a reply of explanation.
Her husband should stay out of it. This is supposed to be a democracy. What are they trying to do, establish a monarchy? Is Chelsea next in line? Then there will be grand childern.
The Bushes and Clintons feel entitled to rule the world.
By John Borowski, November 28, 2007 at 5:38 am Link to this comment
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How could any decent, intelligent, and of good character American vote for any Republican? When you look at Bushs terrible record in all phases of politics you can get sick to your stomach. When you look at the Republican cabal (Aka Conservative right wingers) you witness the evil within these people. Practically every month there is one of the cabal forced to resign due to salacious conduct or due to criminality. The Republicans (Aka Conservatives right wingers) have not only destroyed the quality of life and living standards of the average American (If you think it is bad now, you aint seen nothing yet), but have also destroy the country of Washington, Lincoln, and Jefferson. Do we have that many Benedict Arnolds out there?
By shawn, November 28, 2007 at 4:03 am Link to this comment
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Funny, not a single other poll has confirmed the results of the Zogby poll…and the story has magically dropped from the airwaves…almost seems like the usual republican misinformation campaign at work.
From what I can see, this show ain’t over by a long shot! The earliest candidates may have already fired their best shots…and long before they saw the whites of their opponents eyes.
LOL! Surprises await us yet. The best shots will be the last fired.
The results of this Zogby poll do not seem surprising.
Hillary and Bill Clinton are strongly disliked by many people of different political viewpoints, including Democrats, independents, centrists and others.
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By cann4ing, November 29, 2007 at 12:13 am Link to this comment
For Whom the Poll Tolled.
Active citizens should always vote on the basis of where a candidate stands on issues that truly matter and never on the basis of statements by media pundits as to who is supposedly electable. This process of voting based upon deceptive images depicted through advertising and the corporate media has produced what Noam Chomsky aptly refers to as the “democracy deficit”—the gap between where citizens and their elected representatives stand on policy. The most meaningful poll was the blind-poll which listed the actual positions of candidates on issues of substance, but did not provide their names. One candidate, Dennis Kucinich, received more than 50% of the vote. The so-called leading candidates—Obama, Edwards & Clinton were all in the low single digits.
This idea of voting based on whom the polls say will win always reminds me of what I had seen written on a men’s room wall at UCLA back in the early seventies. It read, “Eat sh-t! Ten billion flies can’t all be wrong.”
Report thisBy Outraged, November 28, 2007 at 10:47 pm Link to this comment
It’s not that I like Clinton, but the poll HAS to be wrong. Is it P0SSIBLE to be lower than our republican presidential candidates….?
Report thisBy thomas billis, November 28, 2007 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment
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Queen Hillary is right.How dare peasant Zogby release a negative poll.It looks like Zogby will not the resident poll taker at the court of Queen Hillary.If you do not have the facts on your side attack the person if you cannot attack the person attack the system.I nominate Mark Penn for Court Jester.
Report thisBy cann4ing, November 28, 2007 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment
The real question is why Zogby did not include Kucinich in its polling.
Report thisBy felicity, November 28, 2007 at 11:19 am Link to this comment
I know I recently heard Hillary say that she pays little or no attention to polls. Wenzel’s statement and Penn’s flap indicate that her staff does. Since Hillary pays the bills one would think that she would realize that she’s paying for services that she seemingly has no use for. Or are we into contradiction - one of Hillary’s less than admirable foibles.
Report thisBy RdV, November 28, 2007 at 10:21 am Link to this comment
Well, I don’t know anyone who likes her from any point on the grid.
Report thisNot that it matters to her cult following what the very real world risks are of pushing such a divisive nominee. Actually, on second thought—even though she is the manufactured candidate promoted by the corporate powerbrokers, she is a uniter in the sense that all points in the spectrum will rally against her in an election where there should be no question, no risk, but a clean break and decisive sweep.
By mike, November 28, 2007 at 9:53 am Link to this comment
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has anyone else noticed that when the republicans are talking its always about hillary. fox news it pushing her as the demos best chance. thats because they believe thats the one person they can run agianst and win. because then the can run agianst her and bill and not have to talk about their policys. And lot of people just will not vote for her no matter what
Report thisBy awahl, November 28, 2007 at 6:45 am Link to this comment
The last two polls that Zogby emailed for me to fill out were suspect! They did not allow me to “continue” to the final couple of questions after I had filled out most of the poll—including saying the political party I feel affilliated to, who I had voted for last time, and (probably—I can’t remember for sure) who I am currently planning to vote for. Since I am currently planning to vote for Hillary, and was then, too, my results could never have become part of the results. I wondered how many others—who also plan to vote for Hillary—met the same suspicious fate. And, yes, after the second time, I emailed Zogby and told them; I have never had a reply of explanation.
Report thisBy troublesum, November 28, 2007 at 6:27 am Link to this comment
Her husband should stay out of it. This is supposed to be a democracy. What are they trying to do, establish a monarchy? Is Chelsea next in line? Then there will be grand childern.
Report thisThe Bushes and Clintons feel entitled to rule the world.
By troublesum, November 28, 2007 at 6:15 am Link to this comment
Maybe there’s a vast left wing conspiracy out to get her. Some group or other is always out to get her. She’s like Nixon that way.
Report thisBy John Borowski, November 28, 2007 at 5:38 am Link to this comment
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How could any decent, intelligent, and of good character American vote for any Republican? When you look at Bushs terrible record in all phases of politics you can get sick to your stomach. When you look at the Republican cabal (Aka Conservative right wingers) you witness the evil within these people. Practically every month there is one of the cabal forced to resign due to salacious conduct or due to criminality. The Republicans (Aka Conservatives right wingers) have not only destroyed the quality of life and living standards of the average American (If you think it is bad now, you aint seen nothing yet), but have also destroy the country of Washington, Lincoln, and Jefferson. Do we have that many Benedict Arnolds out there?
Report thisBy shawn, November 28, 2007 at 4:03 am Link to this comment
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Funny, not a single other poll has confirmed the results of the Zogby poll…and the story has magically dropped from the airwaves…almost seems like the usual republican misinformation campaign at work.
Report thisBy Verne Arnold, November 28, 2007 at 3:51 am Link to this comment
From what I can see, this show ain’t over by a long shot! The earliest candidates may have already fired their best shots…and long before they saw the whites of their opponents eyes.
Report thisLOL! Surprises await us yet. The best shots will be the last fired.
By Hammo, November 28, 2007 at 3:21 am Link to this comment
The results of this Zogby poll do not seem surprising.
Hillary and Bill Clinton are strongly disliked by many people of different political viewpoints, including Democrats, independents, centrists and others.
More on this in the article ...
“Democrats risk self-sabotage in presidential race ... again”
AmericanChronicle.com
November 5, 2007
http://americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=42271
Report thisBy P. T., November 27, 2007 at 11:21 pm Link to this comment
Hillary’s chief political strategist, Mark Penn, is a union buster. Click http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070521/berman
Report thisBy lane filler, November 27, 2007 at 9:18 pm Link to this comment
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Anyone looking for some new Hillary video from an SC stop and an interesting commentary on how race is impacting that primary should try: http://goupstate.us/index.php/lanefiller/2007/11/27/hillary_and_the_black_men_of_god
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