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Giuliani ‘Even More Certain’ Now About Iraq War

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Posted on Nov 27, 2007
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How do you reckon, Rudy?  Giuliani also held forth about immigration, rival candidate Mitt Romney and other topics during his interview with New Hampshire’s Union Leader newspaper.

Presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani clearly shares a particular personality trait with President Bush:  the kind of unassailable certainty that even evidence to the contrary can’t uproot.  Take his position on the Iraq war, for example, which he still believes—even more so, now—was the right move for the U.S. to have made.


Union Leader via Huffington Post:

“I actually believe that Democrats are going to agree with me on that by the time we get to the general election,” the Republican former New York City mayor said. Giuliani addressed a wide range of issues in an hour-long meeting with editors of the New Hampshire Union Leader.

Giuliani said that if Saddam Hussein were alive and in power, he would be trying to build a nuclear arsenal to meet a growing nuclear threat from Iran.

“We’d have two—instead of one—irresponsible, terrorist-supporting regimes that have enormous amounts of wealth available to them wanting to become nuclear powers in Middle East,” he said. Libya would also be “a terrorist-supporting state with nuclear ambitions,” he said.

History will show that “it will turn out to have been the correct decision to have removed him,” Giuliani said.

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By 1drees, November 30, 2007 at 5:21 am Link to this comment
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“Giuliani ‘Even More Certain’ Now About Iraq War”

Seems he’s way dumber than anyone could have anticipated

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By Douglas Chalmers, November 28, 2007 at 8:11 pm Link to this comment

#116700 by cyrena on 11/28: “At the end of the day, this is it. And, it doesn’t get better. Rather, it only becomes worse….”

Hi cyrena. Yes, if you understand the mystical Hindu stuff about our bodies’ chakras, they would say something like “these peoples’ consciousness is operating through their base chakra” . Their symbol for that is the crocodile - because its essentially representing the primitive reptilian brain, uhh.

And its true that things usually only get worse with them and at least until they have some kind of total breakdown (like Cheney, perhaps). That is what it takes to break the cycle they have made for themselves in their own minds. That is, they continue to accumulate negative karma until it breaks them!

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By cyrena, November 28, 2007 at 7:39 pm Link to this comment

#116340 by Douglas Chalmers
....“Watching the various levels of refusal and denial which were the veiled panic shown by the losing federal conservative party/neocons in Australia since last Saturday’s election was instructive about how naive and primitive this type of mindset really is.”...

Douglas,

Check out the timing of this (Australia elections) and Cheney’s alleged heart irregularities. This was a major hit for him as well, considering his very long cultivated relationship with the former PM.

And, this says it all…

“..... But it is really a form of desperation and even insanity as they find themselves increasingly unable to contend with any form of change and thus perceive themselves to be forever threatened and under siege from the world around them. Change in any shape or form utterly frightens and appalls them and they always seek to defeat it in any way they can….”

I couldn’t agree with you more, although, I sure didn’t figure this out overnight. It takes being around this insanity, and watching it over an extended period of time, to figure out what is actually going on.

At the end of the day, this is it. And, it doesn’t get better. Rather, it only becomes worse.

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By lodipete, November 28, 2007 at 9:14 am Link to this comment

Rudy is an idiot when it comes to foreign policy not unlike his pal Georgie. Osama had it wrong. Flying planes into buildings is lousy strategy. Dubai has got the right idea. Rudy’s pals at Citi have had their chesnuts temporarily pulled out of the fire with a 7.5 Billion “loan” from Dubai. The American Financial house is one shove away from depression since our assets are now controlled by foreign concerns. I can guarantee the “New World Order” globalists that those folks are a lot more nationalistic in their long range planning than the jerks from the AEI or CFR realize.

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By mythbreaker, November 28, 2007 at 7:41 am Link to this comment
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TBillis, I think Rudy had it explained to him the way he never had it explained to him before when he took that overnight to Israel w/in just days after 9/11.
He leaves office gets set-up w/Giuliani Partners to build his election treasure trove and becomes the zionist goto for the Grey House w/the once Oval office that’s become a portal to a dark, draconian hole.

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By thomas billis, November 27, 2007 at 10:21 pm Link to this comment
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I imagine he said what he said after a meeting with oil company executives who explained to him how much money it meant to them and what they could do for him.How many little Giuliani’s are over there fighting for this magnificent vision of Geroge Bush’s?If Giuliani thinks Iraq is Korea he has to stop reading those historical coloring books.

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By reason, November 27, 2007 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment

Does anyone take Rudi Giuliani’s statements seriously?
Have the standards of republicans slipped so low as to think that even the least intelligent among us will accept Rudi’s “shuck and jive”? I am a non-partisan independent voter who would consider any credible candidate (there are a few in both the democratic and republican parties).
Rudi Giuliani and Hillary Clinton are manipulative insiders who survive on the capitalistic desperation of those who only care that they voted for the “winner”. How can we expect a responsible government when we seriously consider nominating these kinds of people for President?
I accept that others have their views but I find it lazy and irresponsible to vote for a candidate who has shown his greatest talents when he was grandstanding and manipulating horrific events of the 9/11 bombing using the grief and fears of New Yorkers (the American people) to further their political ambitions. Rudi and Bush used 9/11 to promote themselves, sew and focus the seeds of fear, redefine rights guaranteed by the Constitution as privileges and last but not least; demonstrated great disrespect for the suffering of all those innocents that died. 
Rudi has repeatedly shown a propensity for twisting the truth.
I don’t know who republicans will nominate for president but if the best they can do is nominate Rudi; I think our country is much worse shape than even I believe.

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By PatrickHenry, November 27, 2007 at 6:52 pm Link to this comment

You know, I haven’t seen one thing good posted about this guy…anywhere. 

He is proof polls are manufactured.

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By mythbreaker, November 27, 2007 at 6:51 pm Link to this comment
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Today, Rudy frightens Stephen King, but the grand dame of Scary is Judith and that’s the toxic control center of all things Rudy.

The truth about Rudy Giuliani is that those of us who knew him well early on, knew him to be a loyal, ethical and honorable Man - something happened to Rudy and its too bad cause he had the right stuff.

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By Shirlee Schremp, November 27, 2007 at 6:18 pm Link to this comment
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As a New Yorker I remember the ‘Other Rudy’ the one who decided what Art was, The one who was on the side of the police even when it was proven the police were wrong. Also I remember the etramarital affairs and Rudy moving his mistress into the mayors residence. Rudy , was not loved by everyone in New York. Sure 9-11 cleaned up his act…but the “old Rudy” is alive and well you can bank on It.

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By troublesum, November 27, 2007 at 4:29 pm Link to this comment

Willing to fight to the last drop of other people’s blood.

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By Don Stivers, November 27, 2007 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment

A war monger.  What else could he be.  And to have people still believing the war was the right thing to do.  I wonder if a child of his were killed in this war if it would be worth it to him.

It was not worth ONE human life.

After, what, almost 4-1/2 years things are beginning to get better?  Of course some day things have to get better.  Was it worth it?  Ask all those Iraqis who have lost someone to violence or are homeless, if it was worth it.

Wow!  Peace is at hand!  Let us celebrate and puff out our chests.  Let’s strut around and bob our heads.  Peace is around the corner.  After all that life lost.  After all that cost.  After all of that carnage.  After all of that destruction of the infrastructure of Iraq.  The images of children who have had the blood and brains of their parents splattered all over them.  Let us all be proud.

What a bunch of saps.

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By purplewolf, November 27, 2007 at 3:46 pm Link to this comment

Anyone who decides to run for the position of president should first be evaluated by several competent mental health experts. It seems most of the candidates currently running suffer from delusions, paranoia, schizophrenia, dementia, depraved indifference, anti-social attitudes towards others not of their own closed circle of acceptable people, denial on a grand scale, and varying degrees of Alzheimer’s, just to start with.

      Disaster on a stick.

Rudi shows the people of America that he is an unstable person who cannot commit to a relationship on a long term basis. Look at his past history of his own marriage attempts, several of them. And as he fails to recognize reality when it is clearly placed in front of him, yet he retains that stubborn mindset of the current accident in the WH, that he is “dead certain” he is correct, the facts be damned, shows he is out of touch with reality, as are most of the politicians today.The America I remember deserves better than these warmonger, delusional candidates.

And if by some chance Rudi became the next president, provided we still have an election, it’s going to cost America twice the price for all those designer gowns that Rudi and current wife will have to have custom made at over $8,000.00 each on sale for all the public brouhahas they will be attending. Can we really afford that?

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By Margaret from Portland, Oregon, November 27, 2007 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment
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The man will not win, Hillary or Obama will get the nomination and one or the other will become president.

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By Douglas Chalmers, November 27, 2007 at 2:35 pm Link to this comment

Quote: “... shares a particular personality trait with President Bush:  the kind of unassailable certainty that even evidence to the contrary can’t uproot….”

Watching the various levels of refusal and denial which were the veiled panic shown by the losing federal conservative party/neocons in Australia since last Saturday’s election was instructive about how naive and primitive this type of mindset really is.

Of course, the term conservative is a polite misnomer itself as they are a prime cause of harm to both themselves and everybody else, both in their own country and elsewhere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism

Nor do they genuinely limit themselves to gradual change when it come to implementing their own peculiarly regressive policies. Certainly, protecting themselves from perceived loss or harm is uppermost in their thoughts as they lash out without a care as to how the results of their actions would negatively impact on others around them.

As such, militant radicalism is the main result and war is the inevitable consequence, whether it is aggressively shoved onto their neighbours or through offensively rebuffing the objections of their neighbours. Thus they are essentially reactionaries at heart as they feel compelled to preserve some form of feudalism in which they imagine themselves in control of all policies and events. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactionary

But it is really a form of desperation and even insanity as they find themselves increasingly unable to contend with any form of change and thus perceive themselves to be forever threatened and under siege from the world around them. Change in any shape or form utterly frightens and appalls them and they always seek to defeat it in any way they can.

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