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Dr. Watson Hangs It UpPosted on Oct 25, 2007
Although his contributions to the field of genetics will probably continue to define his scholarly legacy, it seems that the final chapter of DNA pioneer James Watson’s career has been irrevocably marred by the reckless and inflammatory remarks he recently made about race and intelligence.
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By Paul de Souza, April 21 at 4:31 pm #
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No one of credible value would accept result from a man (Rushton) who puports that an IQ test from more than 20 years ago is a valid and viable source of data for the modern scientist. When you begin to look at race and IQ you will always fail to be credible why? because your using a phenotypic variable to make deep conclusions about intellect. This is as ridiculous as trying to show that intelligence is linked to the size of someone’s ears.. Its so sad, it is the uneducated and the ignorant bigot who jump on this data to explain issues ultimately created by a racist agenda past and present. This is why funding for this type of material is almost non existent, the premise is false and laughable and ofcourse deeply racist
Report thisBy thomas billis, October 27, 2007 at 6:27 am #
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Frank his work does not extrapolate to intelligence.Even in his remarks he did not refer to genetics he referred to empirical data.As I do not know him as an empirical anthropologist I believe my statement stands.Nor in my gleaning of the newspapers have I seen equally as brilliant geneticists to this point isolate the intelligence gene.You may chose to approve of his statements because of other fields he has mastered.I chose not to.
Report thisBy rowdy, October 27, 2007 at 12:59 am #
this is a brilliant man. he helped to advance science and medicine,to the benefit of all humans. if he really is a racist,[i doubt it]who the fuck cares.
Report thisBy Frank, October 26, 2007 at 9:37 pm #
Thomas Billis, “transference of intelligence”? I get the feeling you have no idea who James Watson is other than what you have gleaned from news headlines.
Dr. Watson is one of the worlds premier molecular biologists and genetic research pioneers. He is the former Director of the Human Genome Project and is presently the Institute advisor to the Allen Institute for Brain Science, where current research is on gene expression in the development and function of the brain.
You really think he isn’t qualified to comment on genetics and intelligence? Then who is?
Report thisBy Frank, October 26, 2007 at 8:42 pm #
Cyrena, good questions to ask, all of them. If you genuinely want answers to those questions, you should begin by reading the research paper yourself, in it’s entirety, and review any relevant prior research cited in the references section. Any questions still unanswered should first be directed to the authors of the published research paper. You should also check out scientific peer reviews of the study, both supporting and critical. Then can you begin to make an informed judgement about the veracity of the source.
Honest intellectual inquiry takes quite a bit of time and effort, Cyrena, and unless you can afford a research assistant, you’re going to have to do it yourself. This link is all you all you need to begin:
http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf
Report thisBy thomas billis, October 26, 2007 at 8:14 pm #
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This idea of transference of intelligence in society is a novel one.Donald Trump gets to pontificate on any number of things that he knows nothing about.Dr Watson should only be considered when he talks about the double helix. Anything else he says is irrelevant.Why is it always people with the intelligence of a cricket that always defend the intelligence difference between races.I guess than according to that logic you are all inferior to the Jews and the Asians.They always do better on math and science.You cannot buy one without the other.It seems that making one superior to another race is fine.Making one inferior seems to be off limits.Maybe it is my participation in athletics as a youth but I always felt you are not more proficient than anybody at anything but if you can beat the other individual at the game you are better than that individual at that particular game.In other words to wake up in the morning and have such an ego to say I am better than a whole race of people just because of race seems like the height of stupidity.
Report thisBy mdruss42, October 26, 2007 at 6:25 pm #
I have already seen and heard some of the social fall-out from these studies. There is NOTHING constructive about it.
Why were the studies done? Where did the funding come from? What was the stated reason for the studies?
Report thisBy JFriedkin, October 26, 2007 at 5:48 pm #
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All this reminds me of Marlon Brando’s tearful retraction of his statement that Jews run Hollywood. When he made it, there was no real anti-semitism intended, It was his impression after 25 years in the film business. Anyone who would care to peruse the Hollywood Creative Directory will find ample evidence suggesting that Brando was just stating the facts. But a few days later Brando gave one his finest performances as the contrite Hollywood footsoldier.
It’s all part of this myth we maintain that everyone is equal, that egalitarianism rules the day, that we live in a meritocracy, with equal opportunity etc etc. We are taught to ignore the ethnic and racial elephants in the room, for the sake of civility. Likewise, we safeguard our illusion that the super rich have earned their wealth - because the alternative leads to class wars.
Clearly, we need these myths if society is to function. Without them, we will slide into hatred, hopelessness, resentment, and open warfare.
But in an academic environment, we must be free to examine the evidence, and to go where that evidence takes us, no matter how unpalatable it is to the greater society. Without that freedom to explore beyond the social, political. religious boundaries, we would still be decorating caves, and dry humping trees in the forrest.
Ultimately. shooting the messenger won’t make the message go away, but if it makes people feel better for a while, go for it. I’m a fan of whatever gets yer dishes done. But when you want to impose your illusions on the scientific community, count me out.
Report thisBy Dan, October 26, 2007 at 4:55 pm #
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J. Philippe Rushton has not been “thouroughly discredited”. He’s been reprimanded for not following proper testing protocol a couple of times (according to wikipedia). His papers have not been refuted. Certainly there are some who disagree with him and other who agree but “thouroughly discredited” he is not. It appears to still be a matter of debate.
This is a topic that is difficult to think about in an objective and unbiased manner, but let’s try not make false statements.
Frank, thanks for posting the paper. That’s 1st piece of actual useful scientific information i’ve seen in all this hubbub over Watson.
Report thisBy cyrena, October 26, 2007 at 3:36 pm #
#109679 by Frank on 10/26 at 4:30 am
A 60-page review of the scientific evidence, some based on state-of-the-art magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of brain size, has concluded that race differences in average IQ are largely genetic.
Somehow Frank, I would have expected this from you. Rushton of course, has been thoroughly discredited, and nobody with any genuine IQ takes any of this stuff seriously. I mean, you could get away with it for a while I suppose, until you start throwing in stupid stuff like lighter skinned black people test smarter then the darker skinned ones. Now, how does that connect to brain size?
And, how do we account for (scientifically of course) the drastic LOWERING of IQs in any given person from birth to old age. (hint, what about the brilliant high IQ person of ANY race at birth, that declines to zero IQ at say, age 77?) Since this is occurring at a rapid pace, at least among the US population of all races, Im guessing you have an answer for that.
And, can you help us out with the most important part how are these various tests devised, and by whom? What are the testing criteria, and how is it that this nonsense has been perpetrated, (brain size stuff) since long before the emergence of MRI and other related technology that can examine the brain?
Report thisWhen youre done with that, I have a few other questions. But, this should keep you busy for a while.
By Frank, October 26, 2007 at 2:39 pm #
mdruss42, I posted that information to show that this exemplary man of science is being censured for making statements which are absolutely consistent with decades of credible scientific research, including the recent study I linked to.
Dr. Watson said: “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ourswhereas all the testing says not really.
Dr. Watson is correct in stating that “the testing says not really”. Facts are not racist, they are merely facts. An average African population difference of 15-30 IQ points below the European average is not valid justification for social/economic discrimination or racial hatred against individuals.
On the other hand, acknowledging the scientific truth of these differences may lead to a better understanding of cultural, political, and economic problems in Africa and elsewhere, so that more effective policies for positive change can be formulated.
The trouble is, liberal western societies are so fearful of potential exploitation of this scientific information by hate groups, that they are quick to censure any scientist who speaks too candidly about such things to the press. This is why Dr. Watson is being thrown under the bus by his fellow scientists. It is not because he is factually wrong, but because he broke a cultural taboo and every institution related to him now faces negative political fallout unless they quickly distance themselves from him.
I agree with Richard Dawkins who said it is a shame that this all ended with condemnation and censorship instead of healthy scientific debate.
Report thisBy mdruss42, October 26, 2007 at 12:45 pm #
And what do you reckon we need to do with that information, Frank?
Report thisBy KYJurisDoctor, October 26, 2007 at 12:38 pm #
The Dr. (of nonsense) just CRAWLED back into his hole from whence he came!
http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2007/10/james-watson-discovers-he-has-idiot-dna.html#links
Report thisBy KYJurisDoctor, October 26, 2007 at 12:35 pm #
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The Dr. (of nonsense) just CRAWLED back into his hole!
http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2007/10/james-watson-discovers-he-has-idiot-dna.html#links
Report thisBy Shawn, October 26, 2007 at 11:35 am #
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People can be as angry and offended as they want. My question (as always) is simply “Is it true?”
If the studies have been done, and the numbers support the claim, then Political Correctness in this case (and many others) is out the window.
Report thisBy Aeneas, October 26, 2007 at 11:23 am #
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In Montreal, a local psychiatrist got into some serious trouble for making similar claims. They even went so far as to revoke his license to practice!
This shows how far the dictatorship of political correctness has gone, when scientists need to be afraid to publish facts well known and acknowledged within the scientific community. Also, the situation is not unlike the whole global warming issue, where scientists who try to prove anything other than the religious dogma of human-caused global warming are silenced or refused grant money.
It takes a lot of courage to stand out and say things that people don’t want to hear. I for one applaud Dr Watson.
Report thisBy Sharon Ash, October 26, 2007 at 11:23 am #
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Dear Mr. Watson: Welcome to the pretend society, aka the United States. We pretend we are a nation of peaceful people when in fact, we are the most war mongering people on the planet. We pretend we are morally superior when in fact our society is the most violent in the industrialized world. The pretend list goes on and on and yes, it includes the fact that we pretend there are no differences in IQ amoung the races, in spite of the body of evidence to the contrary. Even if no empirical studies had ever been conducted, simple common sense would tell you when you look at the history of Africa, there is an intelligence gap. I once had a conversation with an African, in which I asked him what it would take for his country to improve their living conditions and for the people to understand the importance of not birthing babies which they had no means for provide food, etc. His reply to me was that unfortunately, eighty percent of Africans were simply not very intelligent. He, personally, was in the twenty percent who had high intelligence, but also had a lot of French blood in his family line. In the United States, we have about the same ratios with 20% of Blacks operating at or above the normal IQ levels and 80% below. Facts are simply facts. Do I believe anyone is any less of a human or should be treated inferior based upon their IQ score? Absolutely, positively, not. But I also do not believe it brings anything positive to anyone involved to try and ignore the facts.
Report thisBy Frank, October 26, 2007 at 8:30 am #
A 60-page review of the scientific evidence, some based on state-of-the-art magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of brain size, has concluded that race differences in average IQ are largely genetic.
The lead article in the June 2005 issue of Psychology, Public Policy and Law, a journal of the American Psychological Association, examined 10 categories of research evidence from around the world to contrast “a hereditarian model (50% genetic-50% cultural) and a culture-only model (0% genetic-100% cultural).”
The paper, “Thirty Years of Research on Race Differences in Cognitive Ability,” by J. Philippe Rushton of the University of Western Ontario and Arthur R. Jensen of the University of California at Berkeley, appeared with a positive commentary by Linda Gottfredson of the University of Delaware, three critical ones (by Robert Sternberg of Yale University, Richard Nisbett of the University of Michigan, and Lisa Suzuki & Joshua Aronson of New York University), and the authors’ reply.
[n]“Neither the existence nor the size of race differences in IQ are a matter of dispute, only their cause,” write the authors. The Black-White difference has been found consistently from the time of the massive World War I Army testing of 90 years ago to a massive study of over 6 million corporate, military, and higher-education test-takers in 2001.
“Race differences show up by 3 years of age, even after matching on maternal education and other variables,” said Rushton. “Therefore they cannot be due to poor education since this has not yet begun to exert an effect. That’s why Jensen and I looked at the genetic hypothesis in detail. We examined 10 categories of evidence.”
The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro-American culture. Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.
Race Differences are Most Pronounced on Tests that Best Measure the General Intelligence Factor (g). Black-White differences, for example, are larger on the Backward Digit Span test than on the less g loaded Forward Digit Span test.
The Gene-Environment Architecture of IQ is the Same in all Races, and Race Differences are Most Pronounced on More Heritable Abilities. Studies of Black, White, and East Asian twins, for example, show the heritability of IQ is 50% or higher in all races.
Brain Size Differences. Studies using magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) find a correlation of brain size with IQ of about 0.40. Larger brains contain more neurons and synapses and process information faster. Race differences in brain size are present at birth. By adulthood, East Asians average 1 cubic inch more cranial capacity than Whites who average 5 cubic inches more than Blacks.
Trans-Racial Adoption Studies. Race differences in IQ remain following adoption by White middle class parents. East Asians grow to average higher IQs than Whites while Blacks score lower. The Minnesota Trans-Racial Adoption Study followed children to age 17 and found race differences were even greater than at age 7: White children, 106; Mixed-Race children, 99; and Black children, 89.
Racial Admixture Studies. Black children with lighter skin, for example, average higher IQ scores. In South Africa, the IQ of the mixed-race “Colored” population averages 85, intermediate to the African 70 and White 100.
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Race Differences and the Out-of-Africa theory of Human Origins. East Asian-White-Black differences fit the theory that modern humans arose in Africa about 100,000 years ago and expanded northward. During prolonged winters there was evolutionary selection for higher IQ created by problems of raising children, gathering and storing food, gaining shelter, and making clothes.
full paper:
Report thishttp://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf