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Ear to the Ground

Dems Blow Override, Vow to Keep On Fighting

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Posted on Oct 18, 2007
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House Democrats managed to pick up a few more votes for the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, but not enough to override the president’s veto. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi promised to keep fighting for the overwhelmingly popular program: “In the next two weeks we will send the president another bill that insures coverage for 10 million children.”


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Republicans held the line Thursday in sustaining President Bush’s veto of the children’s health care bill, but Democrats plan to ramp up the pressure in a new bid to force a few Republicans to wilt on the next vote.

Democrats came up 13 votes short of the two-thirds majority needed to override in the House. But moments after the roll call, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) promised that “in the next two weeks we will send the president another bill that insures coverage for 10 million children.”

Just what will be different in the new measure remains to be seen, but Democrats have been hinting that they’ll make only modest changes—perhaps adding more firm income caps for program eligibility while more clearly banning benefits for illegal immigrants.

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By cyrena, October 20, 2007 at 12:33 am Link to this comment

#108239 by Mudwollow

Me too Mudwollow. I ditto Verne.

It was so good, I’m posting it again….

For a psychological antidote to the river of political diarrhea spewed from the likes of Nancy Pelosi, click on and watch this video of Mike Gravel speaking to a bunch of Googlers at their headquarters in Mountain View. It’s inspiring simply hearing someone saying the words no other politico will say but that we all know are true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_OBslG2Arc

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By rage, October 19, 2007 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment
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I knew S-CHIP was toast when Pelosi vowed to see this veto override to the end two days ago. She and Reid have whatever the wretched antithesis to the Midas touch is. Everything they vow to save in Congress dies a speedy horrific death these days, very much to Dumya’s glee.

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By Pacrat, October 19, 2007 at 12:18 pm Link to this comment
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Forget about setting dates before you have a consensus! How long have you been in Congress?

Simple advice, House Speaker Pelosi and Senate Leader Reid, but why do you set these impossible deadlines -just to be humiliated again?

Why can’t you catch on to simple political procedures? Keep in mind that you are dealing with the dirtiest politics by the republicans who continue to play you like tops.

And please stop the tough talk when you can’t deliver! It’s embarassing and frustrating to those of us who voted you into what we thought was power.

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By cyrena, October 19, 2007 at 10:07 am Link to this comment

#108130 by CJ on 10/18 at 6:05 pm

CJ…very excellent essay. I’m smoking in California as well. (there might be 3 of us now.)And yes, I’m now poor. (Hate to say ‘lower class’ but still poor, so I won’t get hung-up on the semantics of it…lower class will work.)

All of your points are well articulated, and address ‘reality on the ground’.

Meantime, I’ll repeat what I’ve probably mentioned before, that most of you have mentioned as well. A reminder. George spends $2billion a WEEK on making war in other nations, not our own.

In even ‘approximate’ math, that means that 4 1/2 months of what we spend on wars, would pay the whole $35billion required for the health coverage. Not over 5 YEARS, but 4 and 1/2 months of war spending, would cover these children.

Also, as much as we can and should blame Nancy Pelosi for her willingness to sacrifice lives for political purposes, let’s be sure to keep in mind that it takes not a MAJORITY in Congress, but TWO-THIRDS of it, to override a veto, or to do much of anything else. Even with the blue dog dems…like the one from Mississippi -the poorest state, with the worst health stats in the nation- throwing in behind the baby-killer-in-chief, the dems still do not have a two thirds majority in Congress.

Yes, we can blame Pelosi, and not just for this, but because she has failed to represent us on the most important things that matter to the majority of Americans. However, we cannot ignore the facts as they are.

Tennesseans, ya’ll should feel real welcome to secede from the Union, and set-up your own operation. I’d like California to do the same, but of course that is wishful thinking, considering the politics of the moment.

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By driving bear, October 19, 2007 at 9:55 am Link to this comment

#108239 by Mudwollow on 10/19 at 7:14 am
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Nancy’s going to fight on. My god that’s inspiring.

I assume she will fight with the same intensity as she is fighting to end the war..

So say goodbye to SCHIP

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By Verne Arnold, October 19, 2007 at 9:22 am Link to this comment

#108239 by Mudwollow on 10/19 at 7:14 am
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Thanks for the link….it was great!  Gravel is awesome.

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By Conservative Yankee, October 19, 2007 at 8:46 am Link to this comment
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#108238 by mary on 10/19 at 7:13 am


  “I don’t want your plan shoved down my throat…..”

I agree, \\

I don’t want the Patriot act laws shoved down my throat
I don’t want tobacco laws shoved down my throat.
I don’t want seat belt laws shoved down my throat.
I don’t want mandatory Auto insurance laws shoved down my throat.
I don’t want Social Security laws shoved down my throat
I don’t want….

As a matter of fact, my throat is getting fairly full of government mandated crap

Did we not once refer to this country as “free?” 

Got news for anyone who missed it, it ain’t free anymore…It is damn expensive!

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By Mudwollow, October 19, 2007 at 8:14 am Link to this comment

Nancy’s going to fight on. My god that’s inspiring.

Political flights like these differ greatly from the way most of us think about fighting. Most fights are all about ass kicking but Nancy’s political fights are all about ass kissing.

Other than having fun, there isn’t much point in making more derogatory comments about Nancy-impeachment off the table-Pelosi.

For a psychological antidote to the river of political diarrhea spewed from the likes of Nancy Pelosi, click on and watch this video of Mike Gravel speaking to a bunch of Googlers at their headquarters in Mountain View. It’s inspiring simply hearing someone saying the words no other politico will say but that we all know are true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_OBslG2Arc

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By mary, October 19, 2007 at 8:13 am Link to this comment

Nice try rowman #108210 but the fact is the tax dollars used for any gov program are still OUR tax dollars not the admin corp profits.  If we want our taxes used for Universal Healthcare, we should be able to do that.  And as far as the “liberal media” is concerned, what media is that because I would like to tune in.  Maybe your portfolio is bulging with HMO and health insurance co stocks.  I’m sure if you are unhappy with participating in a Universal Healthcare program you could find some Insurance co more than willing to supply yours.  I don’t want your plan shoved down my throat…..

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By jim goodson, October 19, 2007 at 8:12 am Link to this comment
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Stupid Democrats Attached earmarks too the Chips Bill, How many kids could we insure without the Corporate Lobbying Pimps and elected officials skimming off money? I cannot wait until Election Day.

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By sharon ash, October 19, 2007 at 7:40 am Link to this comment
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Demos blow override….would someone please explain how the Democrats are suppose to make the Republicans vote for this, changes on the Iraq War, or anything else Bush chooses to override, when they lack the votes?  What needs to happen in 2008 is every Republican up for re-election needs to be voted out and replaced either by an Independent or a Democrat.  The Republican Party has become extremely dysfunctional, mean spirited, and totally consumed with greed.  Perhaps some of you do not live in an area such as mine which is controlled by right wing thinking (dysfunctional)where you can make as many pleas as your want to our congressional representative, but you might as well make them to a tree, because he supports Bush on everything, including the war, veto of this bill, you name it.  I understand what the Democrats are up against, because that mindset can be found in a great many of the Republicans, who apparently care only about one thing and that is being in control and having things done they way they want them, and to hell with the common good. War, guns, greed and God defines the Republican Party and what a shame they drag God into their sorry mess!

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By GW=MCHammered, October 19, 2007 at 6:43 am Link to this comment
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Decades of ‘fighting’ for The People’s healthcare and still nada. In ‘08, let’s all send a clear message to Congress and K-Street:
1) cancel your overpriced and bogus health insurance
2) write-off $50-grand of healthcare fraud and waste on your 1040
3) vote <u>out</u> the GOP <u>and</u> the DEMs
4) stop bowing to these pickpocket MFers (Money Funnelers), they deserve exile

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By Verne Arnold, October 19, 2007 at 6:41 am Link to this comment

Dems blow another one?  WTF???!!!!  Like what else is new.  Come on folks; the eggs are burning, the toast is smoking, and the bacon is a cinder.  Jeez, and the house is on fire.

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By Conservative Yankee, October 19, 2007 at 6:32 am Link to this comment
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108177 by Douglas Chalmers on 10/19 at 2:16 am

“Democracy lost - the moral cowardice of having TWO major right-wing parties in politics! “Income caps for program eligibility” will mean little once the bomb is dropped, and that could be any day now…... It will be too late to talk about the future for your children then!”

So I see the Hill-the-shill wing of the D party has embraced the “sow fear” tactic the R party has used so well for the past six, going on seven years.

Welcome aboard Doug… who says rabid rightists and loony leftists have no common ground?

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By rowman, October 19, 2007 at 6:23 am Link to this comment

Ooops. Author forgot the disclaimer… let me help. Save the flames, I am not reading them.

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We realize that this article lacks substance and may contain a lie or two and well, perhaps a few but we know that if we repeat it enough you just might start believing it. Should you choose to point any of this out, our cronies are at the ready and will descend upon you with all fury. We own the media and will abuse it by all means within our power. Should our media whores be unable to silence you, we have no problem abusing our congressional power to attack private citizens http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Harry-Reid/Rush-Limbaugh-Smear-Letter_W0QQitemZ260170172469QQcmdZViewItem.

We do this for your own good because you and we know that you are incapable of making rational decisions so we will make them for you. We know what is best for you and what is best for us. They may be different standards but you will not object because we own you too. Let me remind you of our goal to increase taxes to a point that you must come to us for your basic survival and you can do nothing about it. Just remember, it’s for your own good, you forced us to do this and hurts us more than it hurts you.

Finally, whenever a different party is, god forbid, president, our job is to attack them. Keeping up with all the slander, lies and deceit is a full time job and we are forced to put the country business aside. It’s ok though because we say so. We will launch endless campaigns to turn countryman against countryman and to divide citizens over meaningless issues. We will even use our media to manipulate other countries and their citizens that the United States is bad. We do this because a president from another party has the power of VETO and this is a very bad and evil thing. Sometimes, it’s powerful enough to stop our corrupt programs so no matter the cost, we will unleash our fury upon them.
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By Douglas Chalmers, October 19, 2007 at 4:30 am Link to this comment

The issue is not merely Iran. As the USA loses its main airbase in the M.East (in Turkey) and the value of its $$$ plummets, will this be the start of WW3???

This week:- While military action against Iran is a last resort, the U.S. has the resources to attack if needed despite the strains of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Navy Adm. Michael Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Thursday…....

......and Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Iran’s acquisition of nuclear weapons could set of an arms race in the Middle East….. “and, as the president said, we must keep all options on the table…”.

Then Bush’s threat to everybody on the planet, “...if you’re interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon…”!!!

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By driving bear, October 19, 2007 at 4:25 am Link to this comment

reply to #108182 by Marjorie L. Swanson on 10/19 at 2:48 am

I am glad the southern politicians supported the veto. Why because under the SCHIP bill southern children get the short end of the stick. southern kids up to 200 % of poverty would be covered under the bill , however New york kids up to 800 % would be covered. So southern kids between 200-800 % poverty would be screwed by this bill. This was nothing more that a pay out to the blue states at the red states expense. As a resident of Tennessee I say to the Yankee’s of new york ” Go F**K yourself ”

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By Marjorie L. Swanson, October 19, 2007 at 3:48 am Link to this comment

The Democrats wanted this vote because they wanted everyone to see the Republicans voting against funding for healthcare for children. If you want to be pi$$ed off at someone why aim all you ire at Nancy Pelosi? How about all the Republicans that voted to sustain the veto? Or how about the two Democrats, Tayler of Mississippi and Marshall of Georgia that joined the Republicans? Why is every damned thing that the Republicans do or say Pelosi’s fault?

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By Douglas Chalmers, October 19, 2007 at 3:16 am Link to this comment

Democracy lost - the moral cowardice of having TWO major right-wing parties in politics! “Income caps for program eligibility” will mean little once the bomb is dropped, and that could be any day now…... It will be too late to talk about the future for your children then!

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By thomas billis, October 18, 2007 at 11:58 pm Link to this comment
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Taxing cigarettes was not the first option of the sponsors of the bill.It was the only one the republicans would go along with.Onr thing for certain the democrats will run away from one of the fighters in the Congress Pete Stark.Democrats like nothing better than running away from a good fight.Maybe they can get back to their real passion the Armenian Genocide.

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By ~B~, October 18, 2007 at 11:36 pm Link to this comment
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Here’s a vote for ya Nancy - I vote no confidence in you! May your electorate wake the F up!

B

http://b-political.blogspot.com/

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By zoe, October 18, 2007 at 10:41 pm Link to this comment
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As we get closer to election time, this bill will pass. The support by the public is high and the republicans can’t afford to be against something that so many people favor. Now…how will they convince the voters they were for it before they were against it?

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By pod, October 18, 2007 at 9:51 pm Link to this comment
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I know how Bush can get the Dems to cave on the SCHIP debate. All he has to do is proclaim that if they get their way it will hurt the troops. The Dems will abandon ship (excuse the pun) in a New York minute.

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By NewsSophisticate, October 18, 2007 at 8:04 pm Link to this comment
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Free Us from the grips of George W. Bush

George W. Bush has invaded ‘Absurdistan’
http://newssophisticate.blogspot.com/2007/10/george-w-bush-has-invaded-absurdistan.html

George Bush has lost his mind. Worse, 76 percent of the populace know he has. Nonetheless the ‘resident in the Oval Office’ is warning leading western nations that if Iran even attempts of acquiring ‘knowledge’ of nuclear weapons…there will be ‘meaningful consequences’....“World War III”.

The man has gone completely off the deep end. Delusional. World leaders Do Not talk about creating the pretext for World War III. This man has a one track mind and that mind is currently being preoccupied with ‘World War III with Iran’.

Don’t think he won’t do it…he is the “decider guy” and he has invaded ‘Absurdistan’

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By CJ, October 18, 2007 at 7:05 pm Link to this comment
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No one more favors a single-payer healthcare plan than this reader/writer, just as no one is more in favor of funding healthcare for children, even if—in point of fact—adults tend to require more healthcare than do children, on the whole. Since most kids, by virtue of being kids, are pretty healthy. Well, except for boom in childhood Diabetes, obesity in general, thanks to excess sugar via soda-pop, Twinkies, Ho-Hos, and the like, combined with fact of arses ensconced firmly before video games, such that exercise amounts to going to the kitchen to grab another bag of chips or another soda.

Media, in particular, has gone nuts over this whole SCHIP issue, as not a one of then I’ve observed can be bothered to talk about who’s to fund SCHIP extension.

Who? Smokers, naturally. Who else? Since who else are easier targets? All those people so eager to see extension of the program are mostly ones who don’t have to pay for it, if stat that smoking is down to 25% of Americans is accurate. Easy for 81% then to favor extending SCHIP, so long as they don’t have to foot the bill, Congress yet again attempting to look good while claiming they aren’t really raising taxes. Well, except on demonized smokers.

Yes, I am smoker, one who thinks $5.00 a pack just about enough already! Sixty-one cents might not seem like so much, but consider how much everyone bitches when gas prices go up five cents a gallon at the same time so many are driving SUVs. Pretty soon pennies become dollars, which in turn eventually add up to real money. A two-pack-a-day smoker is already putting out as much as $300 per month in the state of California, most of that in taxes, some of which were supposed to go to fund healthcare in the state, but which seems to be going to fund just about anything and everything else.

How about taxing soda-pop, Twinkies, Ho-Hos, potato CHIPS, and video games? Anyone? Someone in media? In Congress? And just how immoral is it to keep on sucking dry smokers while telling them they really shouldn’t smoke, you know. Whence SCHIP were smokers to go off Lucky Strikes? Not to worry, as we’re addicts. What moral problem? Now everyone start smoking, at least if you support SCHIP. Least you can do.

Bush vetoed the thing for some other reason, for which I, for once, thank him, whatever HIS reason. It is NOT the burden of tobacco users to fund healthcare for children, nor, for that matter, the burden of junk-food and video-game addicts. It IS the burden of ALL citizens to fund healthcare, for both children AND for adults. And not by means of regressive sales taxes, which have long been almost as exploitative an idea as old Steve Forbes’ idiotic one of flat taxes. Sales taxes hit hardest those most in need, especially in the case of SCHIP funding, when I’d bet my life savings most smokers are of the lower classes. The whole thing smacks of money-laundering, while media plays football with a couple of kids who’ve been dragged out for the occasion.

Aside from endless supplementals for the war (long ago lost) to the tune of hundreds of billions, mostly to kill strangers in strange lands, Congress hasn’t even the tiny balls to finally repeal Bush tax-cuts to the well heeled, so as to stick it to those who most deserve sticking to. Since it’s they who’ve most benefited from what this society provides them free of charge, often in the form of corporate welfare, not to mention in forms of dismal labor laws and even more dismal minimum wages.

Repeal income-tax-cuts, make those who most benefit pay the bills, whether for disastrous war (off which investors have profited handsomely) or for S-CHIP, or—far better—for a sane, comprehensive healthcare program for ALL citizens of ALL ages. It’s with issues like SCHIP that parties reveal themselves to be so limited in imagination, constrained as they seem invariably to be by the real bottom-line value, which has to do with providing for profits, before anything or anyone else.

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By rodney, October 18, 2007 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment
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How can we continue to allow one man to cause so much harm to so many people? Bush would rather spend our taxpayers dollars on killing innocent Iraqi children that for health care that would save the lives of American children. That’s what our nation has become.
The few rubber stamp Republicans he has left are willing to go down with the sinking ship than declare mutiny and save their party and our country from the most immoral,most evil person to ever hold public office . Bush takes pleasure from another person’s death and misery. That’s where he gets his sense of power. As Governor of Texas to President.the killing he is responsible for gets easier and easier for him. The sad part is is that the government does his dirty work for him, and immoral laws shield him from any responsibility. So we here in America are getting in Bush what we deserve by allowing ourselves to live in fear, while in Iraq, we are reaping what we have sowed.

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By Pacrat, October 18, 2007 at 6:28 pm Link to this comment
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Does House Leader Pelosi even know that she is supposed to schedule votes only when it looks like the democrats will win? She never seems to allow enough time nor use smart public relations or horse trading to get the majorities needed to override a presidential veto. She should know better, but I wonder???

I have “worked” the Hill for a long time - timing is everything!

This is so frustrating!

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By driving bear, October 18, 2007 at 5:58 pm Link to this comment

This is just more proof that pelosi and democrats in congress are George W. Bush’s bitch

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By DennisD, October 18, 2007 at 5:57 pm Link to this comment
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For true representation we’d have to go back to the Continental Congress. It’s been mostly one long charade ever since with few exceptions. 
Nancy, do what Congress does best, put a larger dose of corporate welfare in the next bill and Bu$h will sign it in a New York minute.

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