108360 by WriterOnTheStorm on 10/19 at 4:11 pm
  Yup, I pretty much agree.
  What I do know about Pakistan is that rather than an all out coup or a country wide election,...it is likely that the fundamentalists would seize power in the north, and the country would basically split. The elected president..(haha) is universally unpopular,and on shaky ground, but the beliefs of the Fundamentalists in the north and the mystics and moderates of the south are in extreme dichotomy.
 
  I also agree that if the US is going to be a warlike empire, we’d be better off just conquering. Lots of neocons felt this about the beginning of Iraq War and now we have the problem of having enough presence to appear an occupation, but not enough to be one.
  Its true history that we now except, cultural identity that we embrace (even if we might publicly decry our barbarous history,) has been just this. But what culture do we really have to bring with our conquest? MacDonalds and Steven Segal? Hardly Alexander’s Helenistic ideal. Out own “fredom’ when experienced, is a system of hundreds of little thwartings of liberty that shock visitorss from a “less free” world.
    Kagan is probably right (pun) in his Paradise and Power book. The US is just at a power phase and not likely to introvert and focus on sane stuff like Europe is. This is a shame and the stakes are so much higher now than in Europes own recent empirial age, or even Dresden.
  I agree with the left’s even=handed use of American power, but I also think the left lacks the ruthlessness that is necessary to seize that power, to use it with even-handedness.
  I’m of the opinion that the Federal Government has basically become a monster, whose utility is far outweighed by its danger. Rather than hoping to make it nice again, I favor a rapid decentralization of Power to the States and a relative isolationism, busying ourselves with the politics of that re-empowering the States with (about a third) the wealth and power given unto the Feds.

re#108173
Good point great-satan. It would seem a near certainty that any military action aimed at Iran would inflame and embolden both the Taliban and al quaeda. It may be alarmist to suggest, however, that these radical elements have enough numbers, or military strength to stage an effective coup. I would think that the Pakistani military has a tight grip on the reigns of power. Perhaps some other commentators know enough about Pakistan to make a more educated guess…

Of course, the radical elements could actually get themselves elected. Then it’s anybody’s guess…

Another salient point about nuclear weapons—there are the devices themselves, and then there are the delivery systems for those nuclear devices. The former is easy to hide, while the latter, is nearly impossible to hide. What this tells me is that state sponsored nuclear attack is both a political and a tactical red herring. Retaliation would be swift and horrific - remember that old acronym from the 60’s - MAD - mutually assured destruction?

From this point of view Ahmadinejad was quite right to characterize the amassing of nuclear weapons as old fashioned. For many in the developing world, possessing nukes is status. It says to the international community, ‘we are here to stay. We are a force to be reckoned with, We are not your puppets’.

When Bush and Giulianni and others give speeches declaring that Iran will never be permitted to have nuclear weapons, what the people of Iran hear is ‘they think we’re second class. They want to push us around. They intend to treat us like puppets’. This is a very effective tactic if your aim to is to radicalize a people, and to instill resentment and fear. It is also a very effective tactic if your aim is to appease that Israel lobby that’s funding your campaign, but that’s another story.

What I’m getting at is this: with the current middle east policy, we are going to end up with an angry radicalized large group of people. They are not going to cower under the yoke like before, when colonists/imperialists had their way with the old third worlders. Technology has given these people a means of fighting back. True,  a missile silo can be targeted from space, but a suitcase? that’s a little trickier.

There’s a couple of conclusions one can draw from all this. The one from the right is this - if you’re going to subjugate a people, be they Iraqi, Persian, Palestinian, what have you, you had best subjugate them hard and fast. Give them a Dresden -style firework show. Leave them heaped and broken in the ashes of their cities. Don’t let it drag on for generations. Don’t attempt to appear humane. Their spirit must be broken, down to the youngest child.

I don’t believe that this kind of action is possible anymore. The world is watching, and we are expected to at least display a veneer of civilization. Which is why even the right (if only it were pragmatic enough!) should favor the conclusion from the left - we must be even-handed in our dealings with all people. We must uphold the values upon which this country was founded, even if our corporations’ profits go down. We must learn to treat others with the dignity and respect that is their right to expect, even if we haven’t quite worked that out at home.

WHICH COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE-EAST HAS THE LARGEST UNDECLARED STOCKPILES OF NUCLEAR, CHEMICAL & BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS?

WHY DOESN’T ANYONE FROM THE BUSH’S ADMINISTRATION AND OUR AIPAC CONTROLLED NEWS MEDIA DARE TO BRING THE ISSUE UP OR EVEN DISCUSS IT?

TAKE A LOOK AND WATCH THIS VIDEO, A BBC DOCUMENTARY ON ISRAEL’S NUCLEAR WEAPONS SECRETS:
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“Mordechai Vanunu, Israel’s nuclear whistleblower, was jailed in 1986 for publishing photographs of Israel’s nuclear bomb factory at Dimona. ... all » Olenka Frenkiel reveals the extent of Israel’s nuclear gagging. The Sunday Times Revelations hit the press in October 1986. Vanunu has spent 17 years in jail, a11 of which were in a minute solitary confinement cell - and he has just had his appeal for parole denied. He will stay in jail until 2004, when his term is expected to end.

Sunday Times journalist Peter Hounam heard rumours in 1986 that an Israeli whistleblower was offering proof of what the world had long suspected. His revelations confirmed that Israel was building advanced nuclear weapons. After the Sunday Times published this scoop, Vanunu was kidnapped in London by Mossad agents and illegally smuggled back to Israel. He was tried in secret and convicted of treason and spying.”

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-234685330662058240&q=israel+secret+weapon&total=107&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

keep planting the seeds of fear. more lies. scare the masses into passing your laws and your acts that destroy our freedoms. keep doing it, because we are watching, and we now have a voice.

ctbrandon
http://www.actforyourself.rg

Cheyney’s BFF in the democrat party;“Sen. Joe Lieberman, who is known to be closely allied with Cheney on Iran policy, has betrayed impatience with a policy that depends on obtaining proof of Iranian complicity in attacks. On Jun. 11 he called for “strike over the border into Iran, where we have good evidence that they have a base at which they are training these people coming back into Iraq to kill our soldiers.” The only reason there hasn’t been an attack on Iran yet is that some very high ranking officers in the military have threatened to resign over the issue.

Oh good, now we’ll bomb Iran for it’s “knowledge” of how to build a bomb?  Any idiot can go on the Inet and find out how to build an Atomic bomb.  Hell, I know how to build a bomb…the information has been in the news so many times in the past 50 years I have lost count.  Somebody reign this guy in before he destroys the planet.  Wow, we truly have a nut case like Dr. Strangelove presently residing in the White House…who’d have thunk?

Bush is just transferring the blame for his intentions to Iran, Like it would somehow be Iran’s fault that the US nukes them.
  Any rational person knows that even if Iran gets a few nukes, its no great crisis. Even the most crazed extremist will realize that actually initiating a nuclear assault would lead to the total destruction of their country. The Iranian gov are a little whacked, of course, as are most…but they have that rational.
  However, if the US nukes Iran, then it is very likely that Pakistan will fall to the most extreme elements, and then Radical Islam will have their hands on about 200 nukes. The US would have already initiated the nuking….That could be trouble, indeed. Good going GW! Mission accomplished. W stands for Winner. George L. Bush.

#107995 by don knutsen

Don,

Thanks for the info. I would not have expected Adm. Fallon to be in disagreement with the ‘plan’, since it appeared, (at the time of his selection) that he was selected specifically to carry it out. But, maybe that’s why it hasn’t happened yet. I’m sure willing to extend the benefit of the doubt on that. Still, I also thought he’d been one of the parade of many back in March or so, to go over to convince Maliki to give up the oil. Maybe I have him confused, so I’ll need to double check.

I know that other senior commanders have long tried to ‘put the crazies back it the box”. And, while I –like you- would never have considered anything like a military coup to be our last and only chance, I’m definitely beginning to embrace the idea now. It’s just that I have visions of Blackwater shirts, (I mean look at New Orleans after Katrina). Granted they aren’t a real military, and they aren’t commanders or generals, but it’s still an example of the crazies that ARE/have been in the military.

Anyway, I’m glad to know that there are several people high up enough along the chain of command, to actually consider doing something about the dangerous duo that is Dick Bush.

Meantime, here’s a piece from some former Army Captains

The Real Iraq We Knew
  By 12 Former Army Captains
  The Washington Post

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/101707D.shtml

affshar,

Thanks for the tip!! Baby killers it is. I can get into this rhetoric just as easily as they can.

cyrena
you bring up the schip, you know how right wingers like to label anyone they disagree with, with the harshest words.  I think they deserve a label for not approving this or voting against it. the perfect label would be baby killers, any time you address them on this issue call them baby killers.  As they believe “Do onto others as you would wish them do onto you.” So there you go

#108114 by aafshar

Your’re right aafshar. Apparently we can’t recall her, (at least not unless she commits a crime). She has of course, but nothing ‘on the books’.

Ya know, there was a time when Cindy Sheehan mentioned running against her for the seat. If only…thing is, these nasty politics take a major toll on folks…at least the ones who are actually committed to the principles of the job, as opposed to realpolitik and personal power dynamics.

I can’t blame Cindy one bit, for not necessarily being up for it at the time. She has poured her heart, soul and everything else into this - and was among the first to do so, only to be vilified and kicked around by the likes of Pelosi and her phony devotion to ‘what’s proper’. Miss Manners – totally worthless at doing what she’s paid to do. Well, maybe not. She represents the landed gentry, so that IS who she represents. Never mind that there are people dying as she plays her little parlor games.

Anyway, did you see the other story on TD, of Pete Starke addressing the House on the children’s health care that Bush has vetoed? AH…’tis a beautiful thing. He told it like it is, and at the end, Ms. Manners reprimanded him, telling him not to speak about the prez in a ‘personal manner’ or something to that affect. (you can watch the video clip). Now Pete is from a nearby district to Nancy, (well Alameda County – I guess she’s Marin County). Alameda County is where we have our “Republic of Berkeley”, or at least that’s what John Yoo calls it, now that he’s landed a professorship there. (He’s another despicable character if you ask me, though I’d like to take one of his classes, just to argue with him).

Anyway, check out the video clip from Pete Starke. And, we’ll replace Nancy Pelosi next time around. Maybe she can go get her neck fixed or something.

never mind i just found out you can’t recall her. sorry we are stock with her. till next election.

cyrena, you want to do something that has a chance to work, go after recalling Pelosi and conyers, this will put rest of on notice, sf is ready to recall pelosi just talk to anyone cendy has done lot of work there and they are ready, contact cendy shehaan.

#108040 by sharon ash

Sharon,
I understand exactly how you feel about watching/listening to GW speak. (or attempt to). I used to feel the very same way. As a matter of fact, sometimes I still avoid it, if a transcript is likely to be available. (reading it isn’t quite so bad). But now, I do watch, for the very same reasons that I’ve always at least read his words. It’s important to know what he’s saying, and to tune in to the deterioration. As bad as he’s been from before day one, his meltdown is at hand now.

Meantime, having myself been strongly behind the case for impeachment, (for the past 6 years) I’ve often spoken to people who felt as you do…that the process itself would be a burden on our national psyche. However, I think that belief stems from the unnecessary spectacle of what the neoconners did to Bill Clinton. Now THAT was hard on the national psyche, (at least it was to mine), because it was all done for the most corrupting political posture in which this gang is so thoroughly engaged. The smear stuff. It’s their stock in trade. So, anytime they can work up a scandal, of the greatest proportions, they do. And, that’s all that was about back then.

Unfortunately, it seems to have soured Americans on what the process/procedure is actually designed to do. And, that’s to remove from office, any official, who will not or cannot perform the duties or his/her position, or at worse, has committed treason against his/her own constituency/Constitution/nation/I could go on. If you or I had committed even ONE of the crimes that George Bush has committed, we’d be in jail for life. (unless we lived in Texas, which would then put us on death row). And if a burglar has broken into your home, and is robbing you blind and killing your kids, you don’t wait another day, month, or year to make ‘em stop.

I don’t know that the impeachment process is going to keep GW any more occupied than his booze or whatever else does. So that alone isn’t necessarily a reason. The reason is clearly written in the Constitution. So, it’s really that simple. The process itself didn’t stop Nixon, (or even keep him ‘occupied’) But when the boys came to tell him that it was ‘time’, because the impeachment was a done deal, he had no choice but to surrender.

So really, the main concern with impeaching GW in the past has been more obvious…we’d wind up with the master culprit (Richard Cheney) in the official seat, and we’d be no better off. So, the impeachment has to be both of them, and that’s really the only thing that puts the extra twist in it. Otherwise, it’s really not a complicated process, and surely could be no more debilitating to us, (as a nation) than their continued presence at the helm.

So, we have to do this, IF ONLY to stop the destruction! I know I sound like a broken record with that, but if we think on even one of the hundreds of catastrophies that have befallen us at the hands of this regime, and that we could have prevented it by impeaching them long ago, that becomes reason enough as well.

There’s no doubt in my mind that the attack on Iran will otherwise proceed. It’s actually long behind Cheney’s schedule already, when you remember that it was planned long ago, (before the Coup of December, 2000) at the same time that the invasion of Iraq was planned. Despite what Speaker Pelosi claims –that they need permission from Congress- to attack, that is clearly self-delusional on her part. These people don’t ask for “permission” to do ANYTHING. (besides, she’d probably give it to ‘em, just like she keeps approving the funding for all of this rape, pillage, murder, mayhem and general destruction of the Greater Middle East – not to mention our own rapid decline). So, maybe we’ll have to threaten to impeach her too, unless she agrees to do her job.

Islamo-facist.

The latest politico “buzz-word” perpetrated by the likes of O’Reilly and the FOX crowd.

I guess things have changed since Ollie North brokered the deal for 1000 TOW missiles from the Israelis to the Iranians in Iran-contra.  I heard the Iranians bought junk with expired shelf lives and the Israeli’s got the new TOW II in exchange, (free of course).

I notice that most of the Israel first crowd that post on this site often defend their positions with sweeping generalizations, which upon closer scrutiny prove to be wrong, but by then we are all called anti-semitic.

I don’t care what Israel does, I just want America to stay out of their mischief and be more even handed in our foreign policy with them and their neighbors.

Greg Bacon, if you really wanted to go all out in exposing the hypocrisy you would have pointed to the nation with the world’s most powerful arsenal—conventional, chemical, nuclear and now laser and kinetic—stationed on land, sea, air and in space, the nation that has invaded numerous others, stationing troops around the globe to support its empire, the nation that is not merely a threat to world peace but to the very survival of life on this planet, you would not have stopped at Israel.  Try the “U.S.” as in us!

Here we go again. Threaten Tel Aviv ?  Nice try. Blame everyone and every other country for a possible war with Iran. What a falsehood. Lordee knows, the world didn’t believe Hitler, why should anyone in the world believe the Iranian leaders when on multiple occasions they’ve sworn to eradicate Israel and the U.S. Of course, those leaders in Iran are not serious. Just a bunch of nice guys.
Israel has never bothered Iran. Or threatened Iran Doesn’t even border on their country. Why is Iran threatening Israel and the US?  Let’s talk about that plot. For a change. How about it?
Little boring blaming Israel for all the wars in the 20th century and all illnesses in the world…and all the floods and earthquakes and tidal waves.
Yeah, let’s talk about the Iranians and their plot.  A leader of the islamo-fascist terror in the world

Hey, Mr. President, got a country here that has repeatedly invaded its neighbors numerous times over the last several decades.

So, Mr. President, when are the B-2’s and cruise missiles heading to Tel Aviv?

THEY HATE US FOR OUR FEARDOM

Yes the tribal percussionist have gone up-tempo of late. One has to wonder if there’s anything to be done to stop the march.

The one thing that America can still do pretty well, the one thing that makes our collective chests swell, is kick some serious ass. Does anyone really think that public opinion turned against the Iraq invasion because we finally understood that it violated deeply held principals? No, the public soured on it because we stopped kicking ass. Now we find the left making that same ugly ad poplum argument we heard from the right: ‘the majority is on our side, so we must be right’.

Our decision making process is poisoned. Fear and hysterics rule the day. We are incapable of any meaningful self criticism, and that means we can never understand the true causes, many richly earned, for the disrespect and loathing we now face from abroad.

If any of you care to study up on US/Iran history, you will soon discover that Iran’s leaders are right to seek a more effective means of self defense. In fact, they would be reckless and irresponsible to their own people, if they were to allow their country to be exposed to the same bellicose power that has left Iraq in ruins.

And this has never been more true, given that the aggressor, would rather kick ass than look in a mirror.

Bush is a fear mongerer and war lover. His understanding of the presidency is based on his limited concept of what role the president as CIC actually does.

Why won’t more Americans stand up to Bush? It’s time for thousands upon thousands to march on the White House. Flood the capital, overwhelm law enforcement and forcefully take Bush out of the White House and stick him in an outhouse!

purplewolf:  The reason I say “might” be delusional rather than “is” is because the man’s every comprehensible utterance (many are not) is calculated and designed to secure twisted fascists goals.  When he told Mr. Abbas, for example, that God told him that He wanted Bush to be the one resolve the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, I have to question whether he was making that as a literal statement or as a boast made for effect.

There is no way that our Vietnam-evading Commander-in-Chief would “lead” anyone into any battle.  Like all the other chicken hawks in his administration, dubya’s bravado increases the further he is from the battle.  He reminds me of little Lord Farquat in “Shrek” when he told his assembled knights—“Some of ‘you’ may die, but that is a price ‘I’ am prepared to pay.”

Bush is the reincarnation of LORD Buddha. He is born to bring “NIRVANA” to the whole world.What a noble idea, stopping thw whole world from rebirth, what Buddha could not do in thousands of year to bring peace and stopping cycle of rebirth, bush can do by a switch of a button.Praise the “GOD”

Dalai Lama must be turning in his Washington hotel couch or should I say sofa.

Bush is the most religious man. He wants to have nuclear war with Iran or any other country, which does not agree with his religious veiws, for peaceful…......nuclear free world.Give Bush a CHANCE….. you will have a very very peceful world.

Amen for Christian, Insha Allah for Muslim, Fate for Hindu, last of all bot not the least Moksha for Buddiast i.e. finally we will break the cycle of rebirth.

The behind the scene hero in the Cheney / Bu$h attempt to start yet another war in the middle east with Iran is Admiral Fallon of Centcom who has pushed back against adding a third carrier group in the persion gulf and stated that there are a number of upper heads of the military trying to “put the crazies back in the box”. I would’ve never dreamed that a military coup might be our only answer to this..but given the pathetic performance of the democratic leadership at present, it may be our only viable solution left. The whole of the world outside of the republican party see these maniacs as the most dangerous two people on the planet, rightly so. I think the world is shocked at how unable we seem to be in confronting their actions still.

Oh Outraged, I know you’re right!(#107939 by Outraged)

•  “except cyrena..really..you give the ol’ boy too much credit by saying Bush “KNOWS”..I’m thinking that possibly you spoke in haste, as I find it quite perplexing to come up with something I feel Bush actually “KNOWS” except for possibly…oh…...how many highballs you can make out of a fifth.  I think maybe “the shadow” (Cheney) “KNOWS”.

I don’t even know why I said that, because you know I know better. It’s just that I did that instead of just writing a string of every profane word I could think of, and making up a few. Of course he doesn’t know shit, and I don’t think he even knows how to count how many highballs he can make out of a fifth. He’s on to something WAY more than alcohol More like he chases his coke/crack/meth/ecstacy/and anything else he can get his hands on, with the fifth of whatever it is. I bet his drug docs travel with him, syringes at the ready, just like Chainey’s team of docs. Now, there’s nothing the least bit wrong with Chainey’s ass. Oh no. Just pure, pure, unadulterated EVIL. A psychopath if there ever was one. Can’t tell me he doesn’t outdo Hitler. At least Hitler had the decency to kill himself.

And, Ernest is right too. (#107918 by Ernest Canning) The criminal history is all right there. Been there forever. Still, I think the greatest part of my frustration is that there are so many other people who actually BELIEVE this shit. They BELIVE that Iran is a threat. And ya know what, if somebody had been lying on me for that long, even if I DIDN’T plan to have any nukes, THIS would make me get some. In all honesty, these other countries have shown remarkable restraint. China, Russia…seriously. They have. (not that Iran could actually attack US, but they could get Israel, and that’s the whole reason for all of this shit to begin with.)

Anyway, that’s why I was so extra annoyed, because he DOES at least know that he’s lying, lying, lying, lying. And, over the past several years, it’s like they’ve just totally brainwashed people into believing this stuff. So, I guess that’s what I was trying to do. Seems like I spend my life trying to dispel lies these past several years. But, it’s the same old thing. The lies get half way around the world before the Truth has a chance to put her moccasins on. It’s just so scary when everybody else turns so stupid, and it’s so obvious. They’ve taken this religion thing, and used it as the most potent drug in the world…, ‘cause the damage is PERMANENT. And, at THIS point, I don’t even CARE if they wanna march off to their heavenly rewards, but I’m damn sure not ready to, and so they don’t need to take the rest of us with them.

Anyway, WR Curley brought us back to the thing that we’ve most forgotten.

#107937 by WR Curley

•  We need to stop talking about right and start talking about might. We do have power. We too can create reality.

We DO have agency!!! There ARE more of us than there are of THEM.

•  Ours is a brute power, but it’s effective. King used it, Ghandi used it, Walter Reuther used it…
•  We can stand stock still. We can stand stock still and shut the whole thing down. We can shut the whole thing down.
And, this is the only way. There is NO other way. You’ve listened to Nancy Pelosi. She’s on as many drugs as the liar-in-chief. Can’t even close her damn eyes.
No violence required. We just shut this MF DOWN!!! Everybody…just DON’T MOVE! Don’t even need to make any NOISE. JUST STOP! Whatever ANYBODY is doing…Just everybody STOP!! Better if it’s a day, or a week. But, I’ll even take it in ripples/waves of humanity, on alternate days or shifts. Just shut the whole thing DOWN!! So, pick a date, pick a time, and spread the word. (which means we can’t do it tomorrow). Only lies travel that fast.

America, Land of Fear?
  By John Cory
  t r u t h o u t | Perspective
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/101707R.shtml

Most of the leaders around the world fear only that the U.S. Decider in chief will miss his medication or his Jack Daniels and will push the “RED” button while exercising his fingers while bored, thereby creating the beginning of a third war.
If it happens, I guarantee it will be by the SHRUB and not by Ahmadinejad.

#107930 & 107922 Ernast Canning:
You are close on Tao Walkers comment, here in Indian country I have always heard,“It is a good day to die” as was quoted by one of the great Indian chiefs.
On your other comment,“he might be delusional”. HE IS DELUSIONAL AND HAS BEEN FOR A LONG TIME.

If King George wants WWIII let him lead the troops into battle on his horse(heroin)he claims to be afraid of.And pay for it himself. Send in the twins 2nd and 3rd.After all,once leaders were the first on the front lines to fight for what they believed was right,not hiding in some bunker 30 stories underground.As we all know that G,W, wants to take us back to a more primitive time.Was the movie “Wargames”, with Broderick Crawford one of his favorite movies. Even the computer in that movie knew that if Global Thermonuclear War was launched, it is a no win situation for all sides. Surely he saw the end of the movie and if he didn’t for God’s sake show it to the nimrod and instill in him that no one wins.Period. As this whole administration seems to be off on la-la land and so out of touch with reality that maybe the only way to get thru to them is thru make-believe or fantasy role playing. After all George has been playing at being the big bully warmonger president puppet hasn’t he?

Man,this nutjob just can’t wait to start some more crap and then be able to declare Martial Law, and just in time as Iraq wants to evict his goon squad when he might need his paid Blackwater paid killers over here going door to door to take of us all off to his FEMA relocation centers he has been busy building since he has been in office,over 800 of them in America alone.

Forget the elections all you idiots on the campaign trail,there is not going to be an election in 2008,not if George Bush can help to shut it down, and it looks as if that is going to happen a year before those elections were to take place.Just think of all the wasted time, money,fuel for travel,tv and radio time,that the presidential contenders have spend instead of doing what they should have been doing all along.That is keeping the checks and balances in place on the madman in the whitehouse.He has run amok and is taking the whole world down with him.There is more than enough evidence to impeach him and Cheney and certainly more than enough medical evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that George W.Bush is a danger and a threat, as well documented already, to all others on the planet and needs to be put in a padded cell and put on medication. Shock treatment might help,lets bring in some of the experts on torture that he denies he has working for him and they can administer his treatments.Can’t hurt.Besides it’s not torture, it’s treatment.

#107924 by rowdy on 10/17 at 8:46 pm
(204 comments total)

i have never been suicidal.and i’m not exactly a kid. 50 years ago when i was ten, my government promised me thermonuclear holocaust. i’m just tired of waiting and at my age i might die before it comes. i want to sit in my lawn chair with a glass of crown royal, some kick ass weed and watch the mushroom clouds. bush is the man to deliver on that promise. what happens to the rest of you,tuff titty.

LOL!  Sounds like a glorious way to go.

The world’s chief idiot has just threatened every human on the planet with WORLD WAR 3!!!

RE: #107884 by cyrena on 10/17

Great post, except cyrena..really..you give the ol’ boy too much credit by saying Bush “KNOWS”..I’m thinking that possibly you spoke in haste, as I find it quite perplexing to come up with something I feel Bush actually “KNOWS” except for possibly…oh…...how many highballs you can make out of a fifth.  I think maybe “the shadow” (Cheney) “KNOWS”.

I’m quite certain there’s a jertain in the curtain….......Dr. Suess

Rowdy, you may have had the opportunity to view the comments of our resident Native American poster, TAO Walker.  He ends each comment with the words, HokaHey, which as I understand it is Lakota for, “It’s a great day to die.”

Ernest Canning
Thanks for explaining, i apologies if i came to strong. after living here for almost 30 years i know about this humor. However on forums like this, you do come across characters that want to change the subject and distract. And i may have mistaken him for one of them.

i have never been suicidal.and i’m not exactly a kid. 50 years ago when i was ten, my government promised me thermonuclear holocaust. i’m just tired of waiting and at my age i might die before it comes. i want to sit in my lawn chair with a glass of crown royal, some kick ass weed and watch the mushroom clouds. bush is the man to deliver on that promise. what happens to the rest of you,tuff titty.

aafshar, ease off a bit.  Rowdy was just being facetious—a form of American humor.  Rather than advocating Armageddon, he was trying to underscore how absurd Bush’s thinking is.  That is why I responded to him in a similar vein, underscoring how scary it is that the man who has his finger on the nuclear arsenal who could wipe out all life on this planet might be delusional.

I know that might seem strange given your cultural background, but efforts to inject humor on this subject are the equivalent to nervous laughter—We all know there is nothing funny about a nuclear holocaust, but sometimes facetious irony is needed to break the tension created by the mad man in the White House who is talking about World War III.

Yeah, Rowdy, and just think, the man who has a nuclear arsenal capable of wiping out all life on the planet says he has had personal conversations with his imaginary friend Jesus.

this rowdy kid needs some serious help, someone call dr. phil

rowdy
what is your deal dude, why do you want to die. worse why do want to take everyone else with you. i thought suicide was best done alone.

Cyrena, the Saudi Royals have been the Bush family meal ticket for quite some time.  You needn’t look past that to understand why influential Saudis, including members of the Bin Ladin family, where whisked out of the U.S. immediately after the 9/11 attacks with the FBI not permitted to do anything more than verify their identities.  They can fund Jihad, export IEDs to Iraq and the Bush regime will never say a word.  It is a Bush family tradition, dating back to the days when dubya’s grandfather Prescott Bush was financially entangled with the Nazis even as son George H. W. was off fighting in the Pacific.  That says all one needs to know about the role of the almighty dollar within the House of Bush.  Indeed, if there were ever truth in advertising, George would wear a $ on his lapel instead of the American flag.

thermonuclear holocaust. it will be glorious.

cyrena
good article, thanks i hadn’t seen this one.

I just noticed this. Just wondering if this is what has him extra fired up.

U.S. Concerned as Iraq Awards Power Contracts to Iran and China

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/18/world/middleeast/18grid.html?ex=1350360000&en=97125dc0e2c8bdd7&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc;=

Then there’s the thing Earnest mentioned, about how the Saudis are the ones causing the other troubles…(not the Iranians). Dick Bush must know that as well. (I mean, the Royal Saudis are the Royal Bushies Best Friends. (Cheney’s too.)

The Royal Treatment: Saudi Involvement in Iraq Overlooked

Dahr Jamail | September 18, 2007

Editor: Erik Leaver

*Foreign Policy In Focus *

http:\\www.fpif.org <http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4560>

*Reporting on Iraqi benchmarks in mid-September, Bush and his team of Gen. Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker sought to pin some of the blame on
Iran. Eschewing diplomatic language during his testimony, Crocker boldly said, “Iran plays a harmful role in Iraq.” Gen. David Petraeus added
that Iran is fighting a “proxy war” in Iraq by aiding Shiite extremists and providing weapons that are killing American troops.*

Continue reading “The Royal Treatment: Saudi Involvement in Iraq Overlooked”

<http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/general_mideast_news_/000640.php#more>

http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/general_mideast_news_/000640.php#more

Nothing new here.  It’s the same master narrative that was used against Iraq.  Remember the yellow cake uranium from Niger, the aluminum tubes and Condi telling us we did not want the smoking gun to be a musroom cloud?  It matters not that El Baradai says that the enrichment is only sufficient for domestic nuclear power—a far cry from weapons grade uranium.  It doesn’t matter that most of the IEDs and “foreign fighters” are from Saudi Arabia.  (Somewhat absurd for a foreign occupying power in an imperial conquest to be complaining about foreign fighters to begin with.  If that were the case, the French would have to be condemned for the help they gave us during the American revolution).

The point is to convince anyone who will listen to these lying fools that Iran is a clear and present danger and that the only solution is to invade (or, since we lack sufficient troops, at least to bomb).  The Bush regime will go to any length, tell any lie, to see that their neocon objective of regime change is accomplished.

There’s only ONE country on this planet that would PROFIT from a WWIII AND that has the WILL to start it! Let’s see… motive/opportunity/ability… check! Open and shut case.

I hope I live long enough to see George W. Bush and all aiders and abetters of his administration behind bars for LIFE.

President Bush says “preventing them from having the KNOWLEDGE necessary to make a nuclear weapon”
Newsflash Mr. president you can’t bomb knowledge, if you could, you should start with the internet because the knowledge to make a nuclear weapon is already on there, what is difficult to get is the material and the technical facilities to make it.

Me again. I was able to find a copy of the text of the NPT I’ve copied and pasted the articles that pertain to this (IV and V) and the full treaty text is available at:
http://www.un.org/events/npt2005/npttreaty.html

THIS time, we should ALL know that he’s up to this.

Article IV
1. Nothing in this Treaty shall be interpreted as affecting the inalienable right of all the Parties to the Treaty to develop research, production and use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes without discrimination and in conformity with Articles I and II of this Treaty.
2. All the Parties to the Treaty undertake to facilitate, and have the right to participate in, the fullest possible exchange of equipment, materials and scientific and technological information for the peaceful uses of nuclear energy. Parties to the Treaty in a position to do so shall also co-operate in contributing alone or together with other States or international organizations to the further development of the applications of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, especially in the territories of non-nuclear-weapon States Party to the Treaty, with due consideration for the needs of the developing areas of the world.

Article V
Each Party to the Treaty undertakes to take appropriate measures to ensure that, in accordance with this Treaty, under appropriate international observation and through appropriate international procedures, potential benefits from any peaceful applications of nuclear explosions will be made available to non-nuclear-weapon States Party to the Treaty on a non-discriminatory basis and that the charge to such Parties for the explosive devices used will be as low as possible and exclude any charge for research and development. Non-nuclear-weapon States Party to the Treaty shall be able to obtain such benefits, pursuant to a special international agreement or agreements, through an appropriate international body with adequate representation of non-nuclear-weapon States. Negotiations on this subject shall commence as soon as possible after the Treaty enters into force. Non-nuclear-weapon States Party to the Treaty so desiring may also obtain such benefits pursuant to bilateral agreements.

http://www.un.org/events/npt2005/npttreaty.html

Liar-in-Chief.

All nine warships (with nukes) have been in the Persian Gulf for nearly a year. If you haven’t checked Seymour Hirsch’s work on this, just google him. He uncovered these plans to whack Iran (WITH NUKES)nearly 2 years ago.

And, all Nancy Pelosi can say is that he needs to “ask Congress first”. Right. Like he’s gonna do that. He didn’t even get a resolution from the UNSC to invade Iraq, because they knew he was lying then too.

•  “If Iran had a nuclear weapon, it’d be a dangerous threat to world peace,” Mr. Bush said. “So I told people that if you’re interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in——————-preventing them from having the KNOWLEDGE necessary to make a nuclear weapon.”——-

This is a very ‘telling’ statement from the liar-in-chief. Very curious, because it means that HE knows, that Iran has a legal right – by law and its participation in the Non-nuclear proliferation treaty, (NPT) to develop the KNOWLWDGE/Technology for a civil nuclear program. And, the NPT goes even further, in requiring the other signatories to actually ASSIST other members (of the Treaty) in acquiring the Knowledge/Technology. He also knows that the enrichment of uranium is perfectly allowable under that treaty. And, he also knows that the UN’s agency watchdog, (The IAEA) has been all over Iran, and all over Iran’s paperwork, and that they (/IAEA/ElBaradei) have made it clear that there is NO evidence or indication that Iran is doing anything more than is allowed, under the terms of the Treaty. Enriching uranium, and acquiring the technology for a peaceful program, is NOT a violation of the treaty on the part of Iran.

•  “I take the threat of Iran with a nuclear weapon very seriously,” he said.
No ‘threat’ and he knows it.

•  But Mr. Putin has gone further, questioning what evidence the Americans and French have for asserting that Iran intends to make nuclear weapons.
There is absolutely NO evidence. Just as there was no evidence of Iraq having any such program, or presenting any such threat. George Bush KNOWS this. He knows that the UN’s watchdog agency, the IAEA, has been all over Iran, and all over Iran’s paperwork, and all the rest of it. They know perfectly well, that Iran is within its rights, as guaranteed by the NPT, to develop a nuclear program for civil purposes…(energy, medicine, whatever). The access to technology/knowledge is guaranteed by the Treaty, and I know George knows this as well.

•  And while Mr. Putin says Russia is taking Iran’s descriptions of its program at their face value, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice recently asserted that Iran was lying to United Nations inspectors.

And, SHE know this – HOW? that Iran is allegedly ‘lying’ to the UN inspectors, as well as the chief of the IAEA. And, how ‘recently’ has she made this claim. (talk about lying). She’s now a nuclear expert?

Here again, Putin doesn’t even have to take this at ‘face’ value. In other words, he doesn’t have to take ‘just Iran’s word for it”. AGAIN, that’s what the IAEA is for. And, the IAEA has made the very same assertions, on more than one occasion. IOW, there is NO evidence that Iran is attempting to create a nuclear weapon. The enrichment of uranium, is what they are doing, and again, the LAW/NPT allows them the RIGHT to do that!!

It’s déjà vu Iraq. No WMD there, and it’s the same thing here. So, this hastily called news conference, (at least I heard no word of it – even though I’m sure it’s perfectly timed to the ‘attack Iran agenda’ or maybe a response to Putin’s visit to Iran) is his notice to everyone, that he’s gonna whack ‘em now.

Apparently, they hadn’t planned on Putin ‘catching on’. So, we all know who’ll be starting the WWIII. GW has promised it long ago.
I’ve just looked for the NPT treaty on line, (which spells out in clear language, that Iran is not in violation of anything) by going to the same links that I’ve used before, in putting together other research/papers on this. Oddly enough, (or maybe not so oddly) the pages to the actually text are ‘unavailable’ now. But, I’m posting the link anyway, along with the link to the IAEA, which hopefully will have a copy of the NPT there.

http://www.un.org/Depts/dda/WMD/treaty/

http://www.iaea.org/worldatom

IAEA Chief Warns Against Striking Iran
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/091707B.shtm

Just when you thought the present administration couldn’t get worse, it out does itself.

There is no end to the meddling rhetoric of Bush.

Oh, wait, I made a mistake.  When that picture was taken, he was actually giving a reporter directions to the bathroom. “That way, pardner.”

Great picture of our CIC.  Boy doesn’t he look commanderish and tough - blue suit, blue tie, and an American flag. And the pose - that says “I mean what I say, pardner.”  When does he get to say “bring it on” again?

Let’s take a look closely at what he is saying.

If Iran has a nuclear weapon then it’s likely they would use it, and that would start WWIII.

So, instead lets attack Iran, and start WWIII to prevent Iran from starting WWIII.

So if we start WWIII, to prevent Iran from starting WWIII. That would be ok, with president Bush.

Because, what’s not important is that WWIII get’s started, but no who starts it.

Bush, you frikken moron, you already started WW III.

You know, some reporter with a spine should ask President Bush a single question:

“Mr. President, after the false claims of Iraqi nukes, false claims of a Saddam/911 connection, false claims of a Saddam/Al Qaeda connection, and false claims of Iraqi chemical and biological weapons, why should anyone believe anything you have to say about Iran?”

With Bush there’s nothing seriously except his booze.
So don’t mention about Iran’s nuclear weapons.