Which again leads to the fact that SOMEONE would have noticed a friggin’ MISSILE flying over DC to hit the Pentagon-as well as every other place that it had to fly over. Who did they enlist to fly the planes, if it wasn’t a missile? Did they convince Osama to send some of his men to do a strike, so we could come back and attack Osama?

Why do you so desperately want to believe that our government’s only desire is to kill us? You seem to have NO trouble believing that our government would willingly kill thousands of its’ own civilians, so...why remain here? Why not go somewhere like Australia, England, Switzerland, Ukraine, Poland...anywhere but here? Why remain in a country that you KNOW has no qualms with slaughtering you for absolutely NO gain. That would be like living in a mass murderer’s house, knowing that he is a mass murderer, and telling everyone that he is a mass murderer, AND knowing that he would have NO problem killing you. It doesn’t make much sense...so why are you staying in the house when you KNOW that the killer could get you, too?

That goes for all nutjobs who think that the government is secretly plotting to kill us/ruin our lives/destroy the US from the inside. If you’re so positive that this is the truth, why the hell are you staying? Most of the freedoms that America has are reflected in some other big countries, so it sure ain’t for the freedom. Nor is it for the beauty of America, since many countries look just like it. It can’t be for the people, since we have racists, sexists, and religious zealots on every corner (you can find a similar society elsewhere). You’ve got family here, of course, but most people have family overseas as well. Furthermore, if you were oh so positive that the government was evil, wouldn’t you want your family to leave as well? Save them from the evil government?

You have no reason to live in America if you think that it’s evil; and it sure don’t help your case any if you are here while saying that the government is evil (I don’t trust my luck enough to play with fire like that, so why do you?)

It’s simply not feasible. Argue away that our government is corrupt and greedy, and yes, they are dumb, but if you’re willing to throw away that last part to say that the government carefully calculated a strike, you would have to look at it as if they were smart. A monkey can smack buttons all day; but that don’t mean that he’ll hit the right buttons at the right time to make a carefully calculated move. Similarly, you can’t expect Bush to be a pure moron that managed to pull off an ingenious attack...on himself. No, he’s either a genius or an idiot. Can’t be both.

Of course, if the government found a way to ID everyone in the general area of the Pentagon (pretty much all of DC, ‘cause I think they saw-and heard-a plane coming) and pay them to lie to you, then can you honestly find a good reason why we haven’t found Osama? Why we’re struggling overseas? If it takes no leap of the imagination to assume that our government can kill off thousands of civilians, then make thousands more lie JUST TO START A WAR, one can safely assume that they would be able to FINISH that war.

Unless, of course, Bush’s big plan all along was to throw the entire country into massive debt, make the better part of the world hate us, increase tension between every big nation (and a few little ones), kill off thousands more Americans in a war we can never win, cause more anti-American extremists to crawl out of the gutters of the world, AND singlehandedly make all of America look like a bunch of half-retarded chimps that think that evolution is fake and that the Earth is 6,000 years old...well, need I explain? This ‘plan’ can be nothing more than a very well thought out strike to take down America as a whole; a plan that was in the making ever since George Bush Sr. decided to name his son GW. A plan to destroy the oil companies that GW thrives off of...yeah, I can see it.

Totally ingenious plan with absolutely no pay off, reward, dignity, or intelligence. Why, it almost sounds like a bunch of conspiracy theorists thought this up to hide their sorrow and rage over the fact that a bunch of terrorists managed to attack us on our soil-oh wait.

Never mind rationality; Bush had a plan, and dammit if it don’t sound reasonable that our government did it until you gut this rotten fish and let the juicy insides spill out. Bet that not a one of you morons-and I use that term lightly; I respect some morons more than ones who buy into this conspiracy crap-even once thought of that.

Weather, my father worked on the repairs of the Pentagon. My dad isn’t a moron. He saw, quite clearly, that it was NOT a missile. It was a plane.

Whether or not you want to believe it, it was a terrorist hijacking of planes. It was not a cunningly masterful way to send in a missile at such an angle that you would think that EVERYONE would identify it; it was a plane. A plane that struck, and that eyewitnesses saw. A plane that Pentagon workers saw flying towards them.

Of course, if one wants to truly believe that a missile hit the side, they would be MORE than willing to believe that the government paid the repair crews, the bystanders, the Pentagon workers, and the families of the ‘supposedly’ dead passengers on the plane to LIE to you.

Just think, weather: why, oh why would the Bush administration feel the need to lie about THAT of all things? Just think. If a MISSILE hit the Pentagon instead of a plane, wouldn’t Bush FINALLY have a reason to do what he wants? He would be able to proudly hit that button that we were all scared he would hit, and he would nuke Afghanistan. Why? Because they had the ability to send a MISSILE onto our soil.

If it was truly a missile, this would have been MUCH more catastrophic. You put too much faith into the terrorists who did this; you assume that they had the capability to launch missiles at us without it being intercepted or avoided. Nevermind that a missile launch would be picked up by radar, especially PENTAGON radar, and everyone would have been evacuated.

Unless, of course, you think this was a carefully plotted out scheme to hit the Pentagon. In which case the following might shock you:

If we are agreeing that WTC was hit by terrorists, why the hell would the President WANT to hit the Pentagon as well? Let’s say that he intended to attack Afghanistan, and use 9/11 as a reason to do it. Why would he hit the PENTAGON, OF ALL PLACES? He would be literally trying to destroy the military base of operations that he needed in order to attack Afghanistan. Secondly, do you think Bush to be a mastermind...at anything? Bush can’t do shit; you should know that. Did he somehow manage to pull off the most ingenious attack ever and hide it as a terrorist plane strike, then manage to fail at EVERYTHING else that he tried to do?

It’s just not feasible on any level to say that WE sabotaged OURSELVES. Furthermore, it’s not feasible that the terrorists would use a missile, either. Let’s face it: a plane hijack costs NOTHING to do. A missile? That costs quite a bit, although we can see that the missile did a shitty job; it cut a nice plane shaped gash into the Pentagon, instead of blowing it up like any missile would.

Questions? Comments? Angry bitching? Feel free to PM it to me; this does not need to become a public war. I can iron this out with you all day, but I don’t see a point to keeping up the public bickering. If you see a point, I’ll play along-for as long as my patience holds.

I never voted for this administration and I was always against going to war with Iraq.

I bitched loud and clear.

Who listened?

IS anybody listening?

Does anybody care in our government?

hate doesn’t motivate me in the least, nor am I interested in pursuing my own little insignificant X file.

I lost 2 friends and lived/worked through the clean-up. The specious link you directed me to fails suture up the one part of the entrails in this choreographed masterpiece, how did the 19 Saudis manage to put a missile into the side of the Pentagon and leave the public to believe it was a commerical airliner? eom

Weather, just for you:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

All of the proof needed to show why there was no 9/11 conspiracy. 9/11 happened, you don’t need to sniff around for extra reasons to hate your government. It wasn’t a conspiracy by our government, it was a half-baked plan by some terrorists to throw some planes into buildings-and I say that with the tiniest grain of remorse for making it sound so blunt, as I have always felt an immense sorrow at even the slightest mention of 9/11.

Frank Rich, don’t you dare deflect this near deacde of dark deceit onto the public-at-large.

If the Media were authentic in doing their job w/even a modicum of integrity you would have confronted the Mother of all frauds 9/11 and found that none of these Abu Ghraib, “war” for Oil and Israel schemes wouldn’t have stood a chance to indeliably infect America.

No Frank the self-inflicted crime of the Century took place in your zip code and you were too busy picking out the wall colors for your Renzo Piano bespoke office space.
When the NYTimes has the balls to confront the truth, pls. write us.

It is easy to look to our vapid media to blame for not bothering to ask the hard questions of our leaders. Its too easy to continue to heap blame on our elected representitives for not pushing back at the criminals in the White House. But, as Mr. Rich points out, its all of us, all of us who have watched this mess unfold day by day, shrug our shoulders as if there is nothing we can do about it that are to blame. How can we expect a change unless more of us take the time to communicate our outrage to our representitives, continuing to do so over and over untill they wake up and begin to do what we ask of them. That is their job, to represent us, not the corporations, us the american people. How many of us take the time to do anything but piss & moan occasionally on the blog-o-spere ? Our system is based on the citizens being involved in it. Over the years most of our country has become complacent, about half of us bother to vote at all, and most never communicate with their representitives, and somehow magically expect them to put our concerns on the table ? This current administration has shown us what you get when most are asleep at the wheel. They are criminals, who snear in contempt at our democracy, and our people. They are following the lead of a very few individuals with a caustic philosophy who are so full of themselves no one else’s opinion matters to them, not former diplomats, world leaders, scientists, or the people of this country. This is not a democracy anymore folks, it is a corporate dictatorship, ran by cheney and its become a criminal enterprise more akin to the mafia then a democracy. Each day they remain in power we are diminished alittle more by the decisions they make and who they make them for. Since the democratic leadership refuses to work towards impeachment, how about we cut to the chase. INDICTMENT..for the exact crimes the nuremberg trials indicted the nazi leadership that was brought to trial 60 yr.s ago..

Count One: Conspiracy to Wage Aggressive War The “common plan or conspiracy”
Count Two: Waging Aggressive War, or “Crimes Against Peace”
Count Three: War Crimes
Count Four: Crimes Against Humanity

These are the leaders of our country today, and they have caused more damage to our country then a dozen Bin Laden’s could ever dream of accomplishing.

Re: Verne Arnold

Uh...it looks to me that the hypocrisy is within our leadership of the Democratic side. They are the ones who could conceivably stop the madness that is going on in Iraq.
The average citizen can do little but stay informed and vote. But, despite our votes, the Democrat’s would rather go after the bribe money, instead of doing their sworn duty.
The Preamble to the Constitution tells us that it is our duty to throw out a Government that is not responsive to the People.
That implies an armed rebellion, something I would dearly like to avoid.
Does anybody know the procedure for calling a Constitutional Convention? It seems to me that we must take that approach and try and work within the system.
It has been proven by the actions of those elected in ‘04 that they are uninterested (at least most are) in changing the status quo.
We have signed petitions and emailed our Congress critter’s, all to no avail, other than getting a canned response thanking us for sharing our opinions.

None of us want to wind up like those poor bastards in Nazi Germany.  So what if our appointed, anointed and mindless leader claims he cries on God’s shoulder? At this point, we all should. Face it, our top dog has over tugged his leash and shredded his food bowl. The only person who might stop this country’s extinction is the Nancy we put in charge of ?we the people’s’ House. If that well-heeled ?yes’ woman has any sense, she’ll raid Condi’s closet, strap on the jackboots and stomp that rat Cheney before he chomps down on the - you know, freaking button. 

Catch Volt & Electra’s full take on why a full 35% of all Americans already belong to the Neocon’s Nazi Party....CHEERS!
http://www.populistamerica.com/cheers

The New York Times‘ Frank Rich argues that although there’s plenty to blame on the Bush administration, a timid Congress and a compliant press, it’s time for the American people to accept at least some responsibility for the Iraq war and its many disastrous episodes. From Abu Ghraib to contractor killing sprees, we the people have known far to much for far too long to feign surprise when things suddenly go sour.

The American people are collectively responsible for this war at this time.  We have been “at war” in Iraq for almost 5 years: 5 years of proven incompetence (on all levels), 5 years to make a decision, 5 years of gross human rights violations, 5 years of war crimes (by any international standard), 5 years of acquiescence by the electorate, 5 years of destroying our own constitution and bill of rights.  We have had many opportunities to stop this but we don’t…”WE” don’t!!!!  This is supposed to be a democracy, you know, the thing we are spreading across the world; so where is the democratic process in the worlds leading democracy?  If in fact 70% of the American people are truly against this “war” and it doesn’t stop, then I submit, we are a failed “democracy”!  We need to shut up, our hypocrisy is showing.

None of us want to wind up like those poor bastards in Nazi Germany.  So what if our appointed, anointed and mindless leader claims he cries on God’s shoulder? At this point, we all should. Face it, our top dog has over tugged his leash and shredded his food bowl. The only person who might stop this country’s extinction is the Nancy we put in charge of ?we the people’s’ House. If that well-heeled ?yes’ woman has any sense, she’ll raid Condi’s closet, strap on the jackboots and stomp that rat Cheney before he chomps down on the - you know, freaking button. 

Catch Volt & Electra’s full take on why a full 35% of all Americans already belong to the Neocon’s Nazi Party....and Cheers!

Yes, there has been too much turning of the page.
But when the people ‘spoke’ as they did in ‘04 and elected those who promised some relief from the Shrubs’ version of reality, those who were elected chose to play politics as usual.
Non binding resolutions, meaningless hearings and now a resolution condemning Turkey over an incident a century before?
Yup, America has the best politician’s that money can buy.
And until we force them to quit selling their votes and support to the highest or most powerful bidder, we will get more of the same, just from different folks.

Great...America’s become just like Nazis, apparently. The only difference is that the ENTIRE country is completely against these actions, and the government is STILL doing it. We aren’t ‘quietly looking away’. What will it take? ALL of America marching on the White House? I hope that we don’t need to do something so drastic, but I honestly believe that nothing else will change the opinions of those doddering apes in Congress and in the White House.