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Believers See Pope John Paul II’s Image in Bonfire

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Posted on Oct 15, 2007
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At a gathering in southern Poland to mark the second anniversary of Pope John Paul II’s death on April 2, 2005, one Gregorz Lukasik took pictures of the commemorative bonfire lit at the memorial and found a striking image when he saw the photos after the event.


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Details appeared on the Vatican News Service, a TV station in Rome which specialises in religious news broadcasts.

Service director Jarek Cielecki, a Polish priest and close friend of John Paul II, travelled to Poland after hearing an onlooker had photographed the image.

Father Cielecki said he was convinced the picture showed the former pontiff.

“You can see the image of a person in the flames and I think it is the servant of God, Pope John Paul II,” he said.

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By Paracelsus, October 17, 2007 at 5:05 pm #

#107804 by rodney on 10/17 at 12:28 pm
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“and after drinking a twelve pack of beer I looked at the moon and saw the face of Christ looking back.”

Wow, that’s cool. I had to drop acid before I could see Jesus on the inside of my eyelids.

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By rodney, October 17, 2007 at 12:28 pm #
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and after drinking a twelve pack of beer I looked at the moon and saw the face of Christ looking back.

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By C Quil, October 17, 2007 at 10:07 am #

Only the image of the pope in the bonfire?

Damn.

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By reid, October 17, 2007 at 10:01 am #
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burn baby burn!

and, oh yes, welcome home to hell.

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By John Borowski, October 17, 2007 at 5:44 am #
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There is a carefully kept secret that most people don’t know. The Catholic Church calls them religious reprobates. If you look the word up in a dictionary or encyclopedia you will find the meaning is not a victim of religious evil, but rather a despicable person. I will give you one instance of a person that becomes a victim of religion. Back in the days when the kings had to bow down and kiss the feet of religious people the religious had all the power. Because of absolute wealth and absolute power they became absolutely corrupt. This fact emasculated their power and as a result the kings no longer had to kiss the religious’ feet. The kings didn’t grab all the power because they recognized that the religious were a valuable asset in controlling the masses. The religious taught the male that he was lower than an animal and his wife was lower than that. Even today some religions still teach this concept. Elaborating on the religious reprobate I will give you an example of one. A child comes home crying because he is bleeding anally. When the father asks who did this to you, the child replies that it was the village priest. Two things will happen. One, the father will beat the child for lying. Two, the father will go wring the neck of the village priest. If it is the latter folks that father is in the soup. This is more of a major crime than a private knocking the teeth out of General Eisenhower. The powers know that to let this go, will destroy their absolute power. The father must be punished and punished severely. In those days the father had a life span of maybe forty years and if he was thirty-five this was too ephemeral time to punish him. They could sentence him to eternal damnation in hell, but they knew this was total BS. The way they could punish him severally was to punish all his progeny that followed. They will feed poisons in the food or milk bottle of his progeny when they are babies. This will result in that person living somewhere in the twilight zone of life. (Not sane and yet not insane) on top of that they will use their lackeys to make where he works, plays, and lives as miserable as possible. In retrospect the father that beat his child was actually saving the child from severe punishment. The father that wrung the neck of the holy priest was doing his child severe harm.

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By Paracelsus, October 16, 2007 at 6:37 pm #

If you believe that then I have 2 dozen spears of destiny and 100 bone fingers of our Savior to sell you.
Oh yeah, I also have shrunken, dried teat of Saint Agatha. It looks like a huge dried out plum. I want to get rid of it bad. It smells!

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By Douglas Chalmers, October 16, 2007 at 5:07 pm #

#107548 by Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD on 10/16 at 2:43 pm: “...I don’t think JP was a half-bad guy and I nave no time for religion....”

He has a kind face. There are people like that but they are sadly not wanted in politics and especially if they are men. Perhaps Hillary has a chance - only a woman can get past the boys’ club mess now.

I think he found that the Vatican was too much for one man to handle with its cesspit of political intrigues over dead dogma and mind control of a billion lost souls. Changing such a dinosaur is not an easy task.

Getting positive change against a tide of fools living in the past can be impossible except over time. Each person only has so much time to give. Forcing one who becomes pope to stay in office until they die is cruelly inhuman, too.

The Catholic church has too much invested in their Mary cult and influence through fear and ignorance to want to change. The problem is that there is no spirituality in most of those at the top anyway who are basically business administrators in a profession of management.

If any of you believe in this apparition, then see it as an indication that John Paul is not pleased with the way things are turning out under a non-spiritual German pope. They are now already willing to embrace any fake science or politics to support their positions of power.

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By QuyTran, October 16, 2007 at 4:00 pm #

This picture will surely make lots of fortunes !

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, October 16, 2007 at 2:43 pm #

Like my father used to say before he bought the farm: You like it, you eat it. I always liked that. I don’t think JP was a half-bad guy and I nave no time for religion.

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By John Borowski, October 16, 2007 at 11:59 am #
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I believe if any religious organization was sanctioned by a big guy in the sky no other organization would be allowed to claim falsely to represent him, Two things that would eliminate all beliefs of Atheism is that no other organization would be allowed to exist by the big guy in the sky. The second proof is that you could examine their track record since their inception and right up to the present and not find one iota of sin or fault. When one examines religion he never has and never will find these two proofs. It doesn’t matter that twenty-five percent of intelligent people in this world know the falsehoods of 9/11 and other prevarications. The seventy-five percent of dim bulbs will enforce these falsehoods and keep them viable.

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By John Borowski, October 16, 2007 at 9:30 am #
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What really amuses me is that the people that will work with the leaders of the overthrow of a political system apparently prefer not in live in it. When their mission is accomplished they will run to the US or other countries. I find it puzzling the intelligent people of every country will automatically accept any mythical fabrication so long as it is of a religious nature. (Maybe they believe it is a sin not to believe) Take the cross found in the World Trade Center detritus; a large percentage of the American people accepted this without question.

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By D, October 16, 2007 at 8:58 am #
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I think it is a sign that the Pope represents the Holy Spirit.

In addition to that I have a prayer to post.
St therese The little flower please pick me a rose from the heavenly garden and send it to me as a message of love. Ask God to grant me the favor I thee implore and tell him I will love him each day more and more.

Conclude with
5 Our Fathers
5 Hail Mary’s and
5 Glory Be’s. Each day

On the 5th Day say an additional
5 Our Fathers
5 Hail Mary’s and
5 Glory Be’s.

This prayer must be said for 5 consecutive days before 11am.

Just another miracle from God.

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By Louise, October 16, 2007 at 8:52 am #

The picture is a fire. Like the flame on a candle, it’s flickering and moving.

Had it been an apparition, it would have been seen by the multitude when it occurred.

But, the picture will become the evidence for folks that live by a shaky faith that needs to be proven.
They will embrace it, as some sort of message.

Repent or burn in Hell?
Yeh, that’s a good one.

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By tomack, October 16, 2007 at 8:33 am #

What a waste of a good fire; not one weanie or marshmellow in sight. What’s happened to Poland lately?

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By dick, October 16, 2007 at 7:32 am #
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Superstition and ignorance beget religion.

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By Jupiter, October 16, 2007 at 4:36 am #
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He is burning in hell.

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By Frikken Kids, October 16, 2007 at 4:15 am #

Hey, Weather, I think this picture could be saying a lot about the great JP2.  Given that he’s appearing in fire, which is of course symbolic of the christian hell, it must mean that he is there.  After all, JP2 condemned millions to a terrible death and tens of millions of kids have had to grow up without parents because of lies JP2 perpetrated and endorsed about condom use.  And of course, he did cover up child rape and refuse to cooperate with investigations.  Speaking of a world full of shit, if I believed in hell, that’s where that little piece of shit would be. 

And about kissing the hand of the man who shot to kill him.  What if that was a just a great PR stunt?  After being shot, JP2 had bullet proof glass installed in his Popemobiles.  To me, that shows that the man who was supposed to be the worlds’ #1 believer didn’t trust his own god.

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By Pandabonium, October 16, 2007 at 12:55 am #

What kind of books were they burning?

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By R.M., October 15, 2007 at 8:39 pm #
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Yeah...I’m sure it was the Pope!!

My wife woke up the other day with crop circles in her pubic hair.  Then she told me to relax, “It was just two farmers with a plank”. I didn’t know whether to be more or less worried.

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By rowdy, October 15, 2007 at 7:32 pm #

my dog took a shit in my yard today. i swear it looked just like jesus christ. then she stepped in her own shit and spoiled the effect.

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By thomas billis, October 15, 2007 at 6:45 pm #
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Pope Paul in a bonfire.The Virgin Mary in everything from a sandwich to a potato chip.How much alcohol are these people allowed to drink.The only thing I see is altar boys in the rectory.

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By davidg, October 15, 2007 at 6:02 pm #
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JPII in a flame.  And Guliani is prepared for space aliens in the same issue in Truthdig.  Connected somehow. Maybe they are in Poland.  Tell Rudy.

D

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By P. T., October 15, 2007 at 5:53 pm #

That’s not the pope.  That’s Mika Brzezinski.

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By Thomthum, October 15, 2007 at 5:04 pm #

Finda da Pope inna da pizza!

-Father Guido Sarducci

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By Douglas Chalmers, October 15, 2007 at 4:02 pm #

#107320 by weather on 10/15 at 3:50 pm: “...my hero. The answer is, there is none...”

Thanks, ‘weather’. Maybe if I’d got my spellcheck working (apparitions, uhh) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparitional_experience

You’re right about “This simple man was great for all the things he was not....”, though. Humility is all the greater quality in one who is most accomplished.

But, in my experience, very few photographs show a genuine apparition - most are the work of the person producing the print!

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By adam, October 15, 2007 at 3:56 pm #
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Photoshop?  Of course, why not!  I think this image is rather fitting, nothing like seeing the pope engulfed in the flames of hell.  If only this image were real, and there was a place like hell for religious zealots like him to burn for eternity.

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By weather, October 15, 2007 at 3:50 pm #

Mr. Chalmer’s you’re my hero. The answer is, there is none.

Lets just look at the simple Man, who became a Pope. What does it say about a man who kissed the hand of the very man who shot to kill him?

In a World deeply full of Shit, we’ve had some very authentic examples of greatness. This simple man was great for all the things he was not.

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By Patrick, October 15, 2007 at 3:35 pm #
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Does that mean he’s in hell?

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By Douglas Chalmers, October 15, 2007 at 3:34 pm #

#107309 by RAE on 10/15 at 3:25 pm: “Anyone who believes this “flame” picture is anything more than a random configuration amongst an unlimited number of possibles...”

Leaving all the Catholic church’s negativities aside, RAE, why not? As it is, we all merely exist as some kind of “random configuration” of the Universe’s making - and can equally easily be dispelled.

To some, a painting is just paint daubed onto a canvas. To others, they see the life of the painter, his/her intentions and some inspirational message. Such fleeting appartions can be viewd similarly.....

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By RAE, October 15, 2007 at 3:25 pm #

“Believers” is just a synonym for “gullible” or “sucker” or “mentally abused or defective"… right?

Anyone who believes this “flame” picture is anything more than a random configuration amongst an unlimited number of possibles, is simply NUTS.

Religion can sure screw up the minds of millions. It’s a bloody wonder how these people make it through life at all! I guess if it weren’t for the church telling them what to do and when to do it, they’d all have expired long ago. That’s what you get for interfering in the natural development of the gene pool!

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