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China: Democracy Isn’t for Us

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Posted on Oct 14, 2007
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China plans to stick with the economic and political reforms that have brought prestige, wealth and environmental catastrophe to the country, but don’t expect Beijing to turn its back on the Communist Party completely. As the official spokesman of the 17th party congress put it: “We will never copy the Western model of political system.”

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China will never have Western-style democracy, a senior official said on the eve of the country’s most important political meeting in five years.

But Li Dongsheng, spokesman for the Communist Party’s 17th congress, said China would pursue political reform.

Mr Li was speaking at a news conference ahead of the congress, which opens in the capital, Beijing, on Monday.

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By P. T., October 15, 2007 at 2:13 pm #

The Dick Cheney position is that the U.S. is too democratic, that the reins need to be tightened.

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By Joe Franks, October 15, 2007 at 10:34 am #

It’s another story when Monthly Review, opposed to capitalism whether in the U.S. or China, criticizes the CCP’s adoption of capitalist policies and their results.  What draws my ire is when supporters of capitalist democracy criticize China for its political system, seemingly oblivious to the likely results of instituting a U.S.-style “democracy” there, or the influence of U.S. investors in determining China’s current economic policies.

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By Joe Franks, October 15, 2007 at 9:51 am #

True, one needn’t be a resident of Heaven to criticize the ruling classes of other countries.  But it is particularly galling, for instance, to see U.S. activists criticizing China for failing to respect the sovereignty of the British-created state of Tibet while their own government commits a war of aggression resulting in half a million to a million deaths.  The impropriety is even more palpable when citizens living under a plutocratic government criticize China for failing to implement a democratic form of government.  Until we U.S. citizens find a way to prevent democracy from slipping into plutocracy within a capitalist economy, how can we in good faith recommend the Chinese to adopt democracy?  Their current government is now announcing its focus on leveling the inequalities of wealth and ameliorating the environmental degradation created by their implementation of capitalism.  I’d like to see us wring similar commitments out of our government before we attack the CCP for its current policies.  Given our own experience in the U.S., and the experience of other developing countries with capitalist economies and political “democracies”, how could the result of China’s adopting U.S.-style “democracy” be other than a precipitous increase in wealth inequality, intensified exploitation of labor, drastically-cut public expenditures and renewed environmental depredation?

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By P. T., October 15, 2007 at 9:45 am #

For an article on class conflict and labor struggles in China, click http://www.monthlyreview.org/0507mhlpb.htm

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By P. T., October 15, 2007 at 9:26 am #

The ironic thing is China now has something of a fascist system--that is, authoritarian capitalist--governed by the Communist Party.

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By P. T., October 15, 2007 at 8:24 am #

“Before criticizing China for its foreign and domestic policy, let’s make ours unimpeachable.”

That’s a false choice.  One can do both or work toward both.  People didn’t need to live in a perfect country to criticize Nazi Germany.  They don’t need to live in perfect countries to criticize the U.S. or Chinese ruling classes.

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By dave, October 15, 2007 at 5:45 am #
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Anyone who visits China and is able to suspend their personal frame of reference may recognize that maybe a country of 1.3 billion, with roots in Bhudism, Confusionism, Animism, and Communism is not suited for western style democracy.  Unfortunately our religious and political dogma has crippled most Americans into assuming that Democracy is best for everyone. They can’t climb out of their ethnocentric caverns to recognize how China’s complex civilization IS working.  Regardless, we’ve lost our right to criticize anyone about civil/human rights, morality, or justice

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By Lester, October 15, 2007 at 5:14 am #
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Remember, Communism was a perverse sort of Westernization.  Consider, Japan is accepted as “democratic” even though the Christian Democrats somehow have won every election for the last 60 years.

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By farmertx, October 15, 2007 at 5:05 am #

China has always played by its own rules. Copyrights and patents mean nothing to them.
And I admit to being surprised at the level of affluence that one can find in the major cities of China.
Every country should be free to choose what form of Government they will have. If it gets too bad, the people of that country will have to deal with that however they can.
Western politician’s are wont to hold America up as a role model for all countries. But Democracy means one thing to American’s and something different to people from other countries.
Like Grandma used to say, Get your own house in order before telling others how to keep their house.

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By Joe Franks, October 14, 2007 at 9:55 pm #
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As H.L. Mencken once wrote, “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.”

Number one - let’s stop patting ourselves on the back for our democracy.  Ours is a form of government which, in its U.S. incarnation, has been responsible for countless bloody foreign interventions since the American Indian genocide, and the transformation of most of the world into a giant farm, mine and factory network for Western capitalists and consumers.  Another salient point: if democracy is taken to mean “rule by the people”, as in political power being shared equally by one and all, then ours isn’t even a democracy - which may be why the Chinese government rep said they will never copy our “political system”.  They were probably too polite to call our system what it is: a plutocracy.

Number two - it’s hard for me to second-guess the Chinese government over its current policies.  If you want to create a society on economic par with the U.S., the inheritor of vast wealth produced over two and a half centuries of stolen European technology, slave labor, immense land grabs from American Indians, Hawaiians and Mexico, and a century of domestic development enriched by foreign wars and undisturbed by wars on its national territory, how do you go about doing it?  If, in order to get the latest capital equipment and technical know-how, you need to attract foreign investment, then it is difficult for me to imagine better policies than the Chinese Communist Party has implemented.  After taking power, they took thirty or so years to implement state-directed industrial and infrastructural development, and to increase educational attainment and average life spans exponentially.  Not to mention eliminate old, growth-retarding socio-economic conditions, like vast private land holdings and sex discrimination.  Then, they start slowly opening up to foreign capital - now you’ve got state-owned enterprises and an educated workforce to sell, plus decent infrastructure.  Doubtless, conditions in China nowadays are often ugly.  As in early capitalist England, in China today the sheep eat the people, as the saying goes.  But capitalism ain’t pretty.  Nor, as a quick glance at North Korea will tell you, is antagonism to capitalist countries like ours.

As was understood since the time of Jesus, having a plank in one’s own eye makes it extremely difficult to remove the speck in our neighbor’s.  (Besides, that speck in China’s eye actually came from the plank in our own - wherefore labor exploitation and environmental degradation than from the demands of “our” investors?  The same people who have always controlled “our” foreign policy and the economic policies that have shifted ever more wealth from the poor to the rich.) Before criticizing China for its foreign and domestic policy, let’s make ours unimpeachable.

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By P. T., October 14, 2007 at 6:19 pm #

China’s current rulers under capitalism have shown they will engage in whatever repression is necessary to maintain power.  However, with massive inequality there are cracks in the system.  China’s people will have to fight for change.

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