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Ahmadinejad’s Camp Revisits, Revises Gay Comment

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Posted on Oct 11, 2007
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An aide to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is attempting to work some spin-control magic on what was probably (and unintentionally, according to the aide) Ahmadinejad’s biggest headline-grabber from his speech at Columbia University: his assertion that, “In Iran, we don’t have homosexuals like in your country.”


NYT:  The Lede:

Now, a media adviser to Mr. Ahmadinejad tells Reuters that he was misunderstood—that the translator failed to capture the president’s subtle way of speaking:

  “What Ahmadinejad said was not a political answer. He said that, compared to American society, we don’t have many homosexuals,” Mohammad Kalhor said.

  Kalhor told Reuters that because of historical, religious and cultural differences, homosexuality was less common in Iran and the Islamic world than in the West.

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By Jack Brosnan, October 29 at 3:34 am #

They say that In Iran they don’t have homosexuals like in other countries. But i think homos are present every where, does anyone think so..
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By skhan215, October 15 at 5:18 am #

It is the belief what makes things happen. In Iran their is no Homos as they know what will happen to them.

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By bestpix, October 12, 2007 at 5:07 pm #

We don’t have homo’s in Iran   ..... 
because we KILL them! 


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By Douglas Chalmers, October 12, 2007 at 4:27 pm #

“In Iran, we don’t have homosexuals like in your country….”

How do these guys do it, then? Oh, doing Iranian - like “doing Greek”, eh, ha ha!

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By Wayfaring Stranger, October 12, 2007 at 11:59 am #
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The man meant what he said. No need to reinterpret it- the videotape clearly says ‘in our country such a thing does not exist’. Besides, homesexual activity is punishable by hanging until death in Iran. It is simple and cruel.

I’m concerned that Columbia’s students did not raise the question of Iran’s 1979 kidapping and terrorizing Americans to add to his litany of American actions that he finds objectionable. Perhaps they should have extended that courtesy to him and kept him terrorized in the US for 444 days.

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By Paolo, October 11, 2007 at 11:27 pm #

I am sympathetic towards Ahmadi-Nejad, even though I of course disagree with many of his stands. He voluntarily went into the lion’s den, where the University President (falsely) called him a “cruel dictator” in an incredibly rude introduction. He has tried, vainly, to create a dialog between Iranians and Americans, only to be slapped down repeatedly.

I don’t expect Middle Eastern political figures to instantaneously embrace gay rights, women’s rights, or full religious rights. This takes time and persuasion. But I don’t think demonization is the way to get people to change and open their minds. We can’t expect the Middle East to “liberalize” by repeatedly threatening to bomb them into submission (don’t tell me I’m exaggerating; almost all presidential candidates, both D’s and R’s, have explicitly said they want to keep nuking Iran “on the table”).

How about opening a dialog instead? How do you know talk won’t work until you’ve tried it? Hmmmmm?

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By RAE, October 11, 2007 at 10:04 pm #

I learned from a gay friend from Uruguay that the “gay” culture is experienced and expressed differently in different societies.

For example, he couldn’t understand why gay men in the USA and Canada felt the need to shelter within an all-gay environment - gay bars, gay baths, gay districts, gay shops, etc. He said that in Uruguay gay men (don’t know about lesbians) did not feel the need to huddle together and put up walls. He said when they wanted to cruise or socialize they’d just go out to an ordinary mixed sex bar where, using “gaydar” - eyes meeting across the room - and other nuances of behavior, one gay man could easily “meet and greet” another. He said, sure, there were “cruising areas” noted for same sex solicitations, but they were few and discrete.

My friend said in Uruguay gay men felt no need to upset the non-gay population with bizarre and outrageous public conduct such as often occurs in North America. He felt that an all-gay environment was really boring - just as an all straight, all white, all black, all fat, all anything environment would be. It is DIVERSITY that makes the human experience dynamic and progressive and interesting, not SIMILARITY and SAMENESS.

This might be what Mr. Ahmadinejad meant - that the gay culture in his country did not go out of their way to make a spectacle of themselves and therefore weren’t as obvious or noticeable as in the USA.

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By thomas billis, October 11, 2007 at 8:47 pm #
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Of course their are gays in Iran.Just the other day on Iranian radio I heard an hour of Iranian show tunes.Ahmadinejab is not even aware of Moslem history.There is much moslem poetry from back when they could think that alludes to homsexual behavior.To say there are no homosexuals in Iran is just an indication how far from reality he is.Of course the rapture and armagadon that our moron believes in of course is mainstream.The good thing is that the Iranian moron is virtually powerless not so here.

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By Kevin James, October 11, 2007 at 7:04 pm #
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The title of this article is misleading.
How could they revise something he never said?!

On another point.. there is quite a large section of the population that if given more power, would do to Gays the same as they’ve done to Blacks and worse.

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By brewerstroupe, October 11, 2007 at 5:58 pm #

I went to the comments on the article in the NY Times wearily as I anticipated that the “Gay Hangings” story would be in there somewhere and require rebuttal. A poster had got there before me however and wrote:
“This article is just one more of many which either demonize or ridicule Ahmadinijad as a means to “soften us up” for the planned aggression against Iran. Example: the writer states that two gay teenagers were hanged; that’s true. But they were convicted and condemned, not for homosexuality but for the brutal forcible rape of a little boy. To not state that when it’s widely known is to betray the agenda of the writer, and hence make the article less credible in other ways.”

It is a great shame that the message that this rather naive but sincere man has tried to convey to the U.S. has been obscured by his occasionally unfortunate choice of words. Consider the history of his “wipe off the map” comment and the reprehensible and deliberate obfuscation plied by no less than the BBC, Reuters and AP in this extraordinarily erudite essay:
http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/news/caught-red-handed/

A close reading of Ahmadinejad’s letter to George Bush and his speech at Columbia reveal a constant theme - the inconsistency between the teachings of Jesus, Mohammed and the foreign policy of the United States.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/09/AR2006050900878.html
As it happens, I am agnostic but I am assured that the majority of Americans embrace religious belief. How come the media has given no coverage to this important question that Ahmadinejad poses, which should be of interest to the devout, yet fastens on to the occasional mouth-fart and holds it under our noses?
Why am I reminded of a classroom of adolescents all pointing at one unfortunate victim of flatulence?

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By rage, October 11, 2007 at 5:48 pm #
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Lemme guess, he meant to say the Iranian GLBT community has yet to organize Pride Week festivities that compare to those NYC Pride Week pictures Columbia students kindly shared with him.

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By PACRAT, October 11, 2007 at 4:32 pm #
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Hey, the man is certifiable, but anyone who has spoken with the aid of a translator has to wonder how accurately his/her words are translated, including cultural and political nuances. It’s possible that the translation was inaccurate. Right? It’s possible! The tone of the meeting was set by a hostile college president and perhaps the translator followed his example and style.

I have used translators in several foreign countries and to this day remain uncertain about what I might or might not have said in meetings with government and corporate officials or in speeches to the public - or what they said to or about me.

Don’t you wonder how the immature and insulting introduction by the president of Columbia was translated to his guest?

I am not defending the man, but I wonder how many wars are started inadvertently by translators?

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By Peter RV, October 11, 2007 at 3:42 pm #
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Of course, those who invented “wiping Israel off the map”, were expected to produce something similar this time. Ahmadinejad could have only meant that Iranian homosexuals are not as obnoxious as American ones and that is true of any other country.

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By Alex, October 11, 2007 at 3:28 pm #
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Yes…except ‘cultural difference’ in this case means killing them vs not killing them. How quaint.

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