Cyrena

Can’t argue with that.

#106980 by farmertx

That’s very interesting farmertx. Odd though. I remember back in early 2000, discussing the ‘candidates’ for that year with one of my cousins. He told me that he thought the Shrub was ‘sincere’, (?) and he said “Gore just hasn’t DONE anything”.

I lived in Texas at the time, and so did he. His mentality was firmly wedded to ‘the republican party’. So, in his mind, the shrub must have had this ‘Charisma”. And, despite the fact that Al Gore had been second in command for 8 years, he said, “he really hasn’t ‘done’ anything.

Well, needless to say, my cousin is a moron, who obviously cannot and does not think for himself. That would appear to be the same case for most of the rest of Texas, and many other states as well.

I mean, it was enough (at least for my cousin) that the Shrub was the “kind of guy you’d like to have a beer with”. And, he VOTES.

So, maybe it’s really not at all about “Charisma” but more like group-think stupidity.

Meantime, I think (and I always have) that Al Gore has all kinds of “Charisma.” Exactly the stuff that you’ve described a leader should have. Too bad most of my fellow citizens are too stupid to recognize it as such. And, that’s a pity. The rest of the world obviously knows what a precious commodity he is, and how strong his leadership skills are.

Gore Wins the Norwegian Primary
By John Nichols
The Nation

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/101207T.shtml

Gore and UN Panel
Win Nobel Peace Prize
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/101207J.shtml

But if you check though these comments on this thread, you’ll find the same ignorants that my cousin is.

Go figure. Our loss. And, if we consider -for even a tiny fraction of - the events (and results) of the past 7 years, and how far we’ve declined, overall, as a nation....well...I don’t need to say more.

Gore has been vindicated. The rest of us are thoroughly screwed. It generally works that way, when people are guided by ignornace.

Cyrena

Shrub has never had charisma, except among those who are blind as to the meaning of the word.

He had a masterful spin doctor who played the Republican faithful for fools. And they went along with it, even after the facade fell away.

A good, effective leader must have a way about their self that makes people want to do the hard things necessary for our country, society and economy go forward.

#106638 by farmertx

..."An ideal world would negate charismas’ edge and elevate good sense...”

Actually FarmerTx,

I think an ideal world would manage to avoid the ‘either/or’ mentality, though I don’t see it happening.

The average person is still stuck in it, failing to realize that BOTH are available. Yes, Bill Clinton DID have Chrisma. It’s why his most ardent “haters” hated him. He was/is also extremely intelligent.

So, if Chrisma, (or a moron’s interpretation of it) is what brought us the shrub, then one can safely assume now, that Chrisma is the epitome of the devil himself, eh?

Now, would you say that Dick Cheney has “Charisma”? Probably not. But, guess who’s running the show, and our nation into the ground? Is Dick Cheney intelligent? Oh YES!! Intelligent to know that he has no “charisma”. That’s why they put the Shrub on the publics view. To ‘fool’ people who like to ‘evaluate’ based on “Charisma”.

I rest my case.

Re: Cyrena

CHARISMA ISSUES??? Gee...that’s real important, eh?

Seems to me that I’ve read several books/articles that mention charisma as an asset that is very useful to any politician.

FDR had it. Many were against him at the onset of WarII, but he managed to pull most American’s together.
JFK had it. Many were convinced that his election meant that the Pope would rule this country. He managed to lead this country through some rough times.
Bill Clinton had it. And he did pretty well because of it.

An ideal world would negate charismas’ edge and elevate good sense. We are a long way from an ideal world.
While we can’t give up trying to acheive an ideal world, we must recognize some basic facts. And one of those facts is that charisma matters.

Shrubs’ charisma was but a facade that many world leader’s saw through quickly. Now, even Republican’s acknowledge (albeit quietly for many) that Shrub is an empty shell.

Bill Richardson has many good ideas and the experience to make them happen. But he makes a poor impression on many in the debates. Fred Gravel is another that is ignored, as is Ron Paul on the other side.

I am not advocating choosing a President based solely on charisma. But it does need to be considered. Because many will base their vote on that one point. They will be wrong, but they will still do that.

#106134 by RAE
“.....inherit a world-wide MESS that to clean up would likely consume his entire presidency, and become a target for every wingnut on the planet?"…

I’m with you RAE, why the hell WOULD he? It’s volunteering to be tortured. He doesn’t owe anybody a damn thing.

And, I don’t agree with you this time QuyTran. I think he MEANS NO!! At least he was nice enough not to say....Kiss My Ass!! That’s exactly what I’d be saying, after the shaft they gave this guy.

What’s that cliche or whatever, Success is the greatest revenge? Something like that. Anyway, let him ENJOY!!

FarmerTX writes:

..."Despite his dancing the Macarena, he has some charisma issues."…

CHARISMA ISSUES??? Gee...that’s real important, eh?

I mean, how can one run a country without CHARISMA?

...whew...that’s really scary. Let’s just vote on Charisma....like the kind of guy you’d like to have a beer with. The kind of “charism” that has us all doing the best we can to stay alive.

Nobel Peace Prize winner with Charisma issues. Poor Al, I bet he’s all beat up about it, but he can still probably find his way to the bank.

Charisma -for me at least- comes from an intelligent mind. I’d take that over a dancer any day.

Gore and his global warming minions. Like that would be good for America.
Your tax dollars will be destined to a multi Trillion project to implement a global air conditioner… Only for GAO to report that it had an opposite effect and needs to be rebuilt.. <repeat>
If I did not know better, I would tend to think he has become a religious fanatic of greenhouse gas emissions.  In reality, and like a good politico, he knows that fear sells. Welcome to the biggest scam of the century. Of course he does not want to run. There is too much money to be made selling his FUD and he would have to forego this if he was in office. Hello????
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as (Hollywood/Gore) can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for (Hollywood/Gore) to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the Gore.”
His lie has an ounce of truth that captivates his audience, sucks them in and makes him Rich!!!!

Sorry - double post. It took the second draft first and the first, second.

Nobody kicked up a stink when he “lost” the first time. The whole thing was just a big yawn, for the people who voted and the people who didn’t. They bougt the lies the Repubs were spreading around, and carried on buying the lies - the multiple wars (with another one on the books for early next year), the money pouring down black holes, the election of Bush for the 2nd (or 1st) time, they just let it slide by.

Why the hell would Gore go back into that?

He did his bit, and is still doing it. I guess he figures it’s someone else’s turn now, if they can drag themselves away from football on TV, porn on the computer, or food in the refrigerator.

Anyone who’s ever been dumped for someone else, only to have the dumper crawl back for forgiveness, would recognize how he feels right now.

“You had your chance. You screwed up. Go find someone else and LEAVE ME ALONE.”

Nobody kicked up a stink when he “lost” the first time. The whole thing was just a big yawn, for the people who voted and the people who didn’t. They bougt the lies the Repubs were spreading around, and carried on buying the lies - the multiple wars (with another one on the books for early next year), the money pouring down black holes, the election of Bush for the 2nd (or 1st) time - they just let it slide by.

Why the hell would Gore go back into that?

He did his bit, and he’s found something else much more fulfilling now. “Losing” that election was probably the best thing that ever happened to him. I guess he figures it’s someone else’s turn now, if they can drag themselves away from football on TV, porn on the computer, or food in the refrigerator.

Anyone who’s ever been dumped for someone else, only to have the dumper crawl back for forgiveness, would recognize how he feels right now.

“You had your chance. You screwed up. I have better things to do now. Go find someone else and LEAVE ME ALONE.”

I agree with Mr Billis. Al did get more votes,just not in the “right” States, than Shrub in 2000.
Despite his dancing the Macarena, he has some charisma issues.
For sure, this country would have been better served has he been elected.
And RAE is right about the mess from Shrub and the Shootist will be years, if not decades in the cleaning up.
Only good thing is that many Republican’s are now looking a little further than sound bites and photo-ops for their next candidate. Hopefully, Democrat’s will do the same.

I wonder why a multi-millionaire, internationally famous, Academy Award winning, highly effective environmental activist would agree to become POTUS, take an enormous pay cut, inherit a world-wide MESS that to clean up would likely consume his entire presidency, and become a target for every wingnut on the planet?

Gore’s “been there, done that.” I think he’d be making a big mistake to run.

When a politican says “NO” he means “YES”.