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Bush Vetoes Children’s Health Care Bill

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Posted on Oct 3, 2007
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President Bush may not have done his party any favor in the coming elections by exercising his veto privilege—the fourth time he’s done so—to deep-six a bipartisan bill passed by Congress that would have renewed the State Children’s Health Insurance Program.


AP via Yahoo News:

The program is a joint state-federal effort that subsidizes health coverage for 6.6 million people, mostly children, from families that earn too much to qualify for Medicaid but not enough to afford their own private coverage.

The Democrats who control Congress, with significant support from Republicans, passed the legislation to add $35 billion over five years to allow an additional 4 million children into the program. It would be funded by raising the federal cigarette tax by 61 cents to $1 per pack.

The president argued that the Democratic bill was too costly, took the program too far beyond its original intent of helping the poor, and would entice people now covered in the private sector to switch to government coverage. He has proposed only a $5 billion increase in funding. After Bush’s speech, White House counselor Ed Gillespie said the president’s offer of more money meant more than the $5 billion extra, but he wasn’t specific about how much more.

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By angrymom123, October 5, 2007 at 10:29 pm Link to this comment
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George Bush is an obdurate ass and an incogitable excuse for a human being. How could a father veto that bill and sleep at night? We the people need to revoke the free healthcare Bush and his cronies receive, it smells much like socialized medicine to me!

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, October 4, 2007 at 5:42 pm Link to this comment

What the health insurance industry does to people in this country is nothing less than criminal and your beloved and revered gov. aids and abets.  Bush hates kids.  So does your spineless, self consumed congress.  Chips is only one of the hundreds of assualts by our gov. against future generations.  Are you surprised??

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By cyrena, October 4, 2007 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment

#104747 by William Ries

...“Maybe we should let the poor people pay for this program by TAXING them, because they {low income workers} ARE the smokers!!”...

William,

You took the words right out of my mouth!! This is exactly what I was going to point out.

I just couldn’t think of such a good list of other things they could “tax”. I was thinking LUXURY cars period. ALL of them. (unless they are dual purpose…used to drive and live in as well, and it’s the only home/car the person owns..then they should get a break on the luxury part of it).

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By William Ries, October 4, 2007 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment

This A hole Bush.  He doesn’t have a brain.  Too much alcohol back in the day.  If Dick ain’t telling hime what to do, he founders. 
Ever see him stammer when he speaks at the podium to a “really hard” question?
I don’t agree with taxing the smokers, not very progressive.  Besides, taxes on cigs are too high now. 
Maybe we should let the poor people pay for this program by TAXING them, because they {low income workers} ARE the smokers!  Take the “Republican” approach.
How about a tax on blue suits?  Or phonyism?  Or luxury car tires?  A tax on a country club membership?  Vacation travel?  Hopefully the Dems will pick up 10 seats in the house over Bushys bungle.
No this ain’t no socialist state, but it never, ever needed a facist dictator abusing the less fortunate.  More for the greedy, less for the needy.

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By P. T., October 4, 2007 at 10:37 am Link to this comment

Republican opposition to universal health coverage is the gift that keeps on giving to Democrats.

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By purplewolf, October 4, 2007 at 9:25 am Link to this comment

#104505 Dr.Coles:
If you are a real doctor who cares for people,you are part of then problem.Medical costs are insane.I worked the medical field for thirty years,and had no medical coverage as my employers said it cost to much and the cost for Blue Cross/Blue Shield insurance was beyond my income and it didn’t cover perscriptions,which were and are high.I worked all week just to earn enough money for 1 office visit in which the doctor,one time walked in the exam room,picked up the chart and walked out,no words were spoken and that is called an office visit in todays world of greedy doctors.Doctors greed has become to obvious in many cases.Also what they call a physical today is a joke from even what one was 10 years ago,but the insurance covers 1 per year in some cases so they get the extra $$ for nothing.The same checkup as a regular visit only more costly.If doctors charged a reasonable service charge for the working people perhaps we could afford the necessary medical for families.
You are right the goverment doens’t earn money.It steals it.
As for charities helping out.What a joke.When the Right-to-Lifers were out bombing abortion clinics and going all gestapo on the women who tried to enter an abortion clinic a few years ago,another employee I worked with in the nursing home brought an information list of these charities that help women who found themselves in the situation of an unwanted pregnancy and baby care needs.As most were tollfree phone numbers we called them all,some were local numbers,all of these charities were church run and it was very enlightening as to how much help these charities had to offer.Out of the 20+ listed only 3 had anything in the way of help-1 had a crib and 2 had some baby clothes,but they said not many.That was it.And the one with the crib was listed as a local charity was over 150 miles away and you had to pick up the crib.So as you can see these “charities” which all these rep.rt.wg.chr.con.
love to tell those who are poor to go to really is the same as teling them to go to hell.Compassionate conservatives,doesn’t it just warm your heart?

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By Sondra, October 4, 2007 at 9:01 am Link to this comment
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Forget Impeachment, these people need to be arrested for hijacking the economy, war crimes, crimes against humanity, theft AND TREASON!

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By GW=MCHammered, October 4, 2007 at 8:32 am Link to this comment
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Shrub the grub for the elite. American workers owe him nothing.

Write GWUSAI on your 1040 and keep/get your money:
<u>GW</u>‘s <u>U</u>naccountable and <u>S</u>o <u>A</u>m <u>I</u>.

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By CHARLIE KASNICK, October 4, 2007 at 6:45 am Link to this comment
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ACCORDING TO THE WALL STREET JOURNAL,45% OF ALL HEALTH CARE IS CURRENTLY PAID FOR BY THE GOVERNMENT.IN A FEW SHORT YEARS THIS WILL BE OVER 55%,AND GROWING AT AN ACCELERATED PACE.IF THIS IS NOT
GOVERNMENT SPONSORED HEALTH CARE THEN WHAT IS?CURRENTLY GOVENMENT PAID HEALTH CARE IS MUCH MORE EFFICIENT THAN PRIVATE.THESE NUMBERS ARE NOT DEBATABLE,WHAT IS DEBATABLE IS WHAT TO DO.THE NUMBWER
ONE REASON INDUSTRY IS MOVING OUT OF AMERICA IS HEALTH CARE!

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By cyrena, October 4, 2007 at 4:25 am Link to this comment

#104505 by Dr Coles
•  “Kids have health care. The needy already have health care.”

This is a LIE Coles. Kids /needy do NOT have health care. At least not if you’re talking about the US. Are we on the same map here?

•  The U.S. is not a socialist state . No one is entitled to be given a house, car, food or health care, etc

Now, you’re right about this one doc. The US is certainly NOT a “socialist” state. We are a DICTATORSHIP, based on Corporate Capitalism. So, in short, what you’re saying, is that we SHOULD be a socialist state. If people aren’t “entitled” to food, shelter, and health care, then we shouldn’t even allow them to be BORN, eh? Oh my, the Christians wouldn’t go for that though. They need as many Christian warriors as they can round up.

•  If we want these things, we have to earn them.  The government does not earn money.

Another lie. What would you call all of those taxes (on my “earnings”) that I’ve been paying all of these years? Didn’t the government “earn” that? No, I forgot, I EARNED it, but they took part of it…most of it actually. Because, after all, we’re not a “socialist state”.  (why am I so confused here, I’ve studied my civics stuff really well?)

Aren’t there other ways that the government “earns” money? Aren’t they supposed to earn money from the goods and services that we produce, so that they can sell and/or trade the stuff? Don’t they “earn money”. (like, from OUR taxes?) Nevermind, I forgot that too. We don’t manufacture anything anymore.(except weapons) We have to buy everything else from China, or steal it from the Middle East.

•  We all have to labor for what we want.
This might just be the key. If we all have to “labor” for what we want, then maybe we should just keep on laboring for it, and KEEP IT FOR OURSELVES, instead of handing it all over to the Corporate Government, and throwing in tax dollars as well.

•  For those who need help there are the charities and state programs.

Ah yeah…we see here, you’re writing from the rabbit hole. Did you actually READ the part that said this was a STATE program that he’s cutting? Charities? Where does the “Charity” money come from?

The best way to fix the health care system is to use a system like the rest of the civilized world does. Then maybe we wouldn’t be in shameful place #37 on the list of country/nation “performances”. Higher infant mortality rates here than in multiple 3rd world countries. Oh, I forgot that too, we ARE a 3rd world country.

But, I’m thinking that if we go along with your suggestion that we are not a socialist country, and we have to labor for what we want, just grow our food, train some health care professionals, and build our houses, and sell the stuff to each other. Just leave the government out of it entirely, (skip the middle man) because we aren’t a socialist country. No need to bother with those taxes.

OH! You mean you need a policeperson/fireperson/undertaker? Gee. I’m not real sure what to tell you. You’ve gotta labor for that kind of stuff. You want a HOSPITAL in your neighborhood. Guess you’ll have to get a charity to build it.

You want TEACHERS? Gee, I’ll be happy to teach your kids, but it’s gonna cost you. You’ll have to labor for it. The government can’t pay for it. They don’t earn money, and all of the politicians work for free.

Right? Yeah, thanks for bringing this to our attention. We know what to do now. Skip that taxes stuff. We just won’t pay ‘em. We’ll do our own labor.

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By Jim Goodson, October 3, 2007 at 7:28 pm Link to this comment
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Well,. Nero also thought he was a God. When are you idiots in Washington going to wake up. You are no better than he is. I have more respect for a rodent.

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By QuyTran, October 3, 2007 at 6:50 pm Link to this comment

The debauched emperor is busy with his dream of victories in Iraq and Afganistan.

It’s a right time for impeachment !

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By Dr Coles, October 3, 2007 at 6:34 pm Link to this comment
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Kids have health care. The needy already have health care. The U.S. is not a socialist state ( see http://tinyurl.com/2znnvl ). No one is entitled to be given a house, car, food or health care, etc. If we want these things, we have to earn them.  The government does not earn money. Perhaps some of us should take a civics class and learn about America.  We all have to labor for what we want.  For those who need help there are the charities and state programs.  We need to fix the health care issue but we cannot fix it unless we know how it is broken.  For the answer, please see http://www.InteliOrg.com/

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By RAE, October 3, 2007 at 6:28 pm Link to this comment

I wonder name or label you’d apply to a society - any society - that chooses not to ensure that its members have adequate shelter, food, health care and safety… as their NUMBER ONE PRIORITY (yes even before funding illegal invasions of other countries)?

I don’t know either… but I can assure you it’s not a society that I could tolerate living in for a minute. The United States of America should be ashamed of itself… you couldn’t pay me enough to live there.

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By Outraged, October 3, 2007 at 6:08 pm Link to this comment

Bush and his business associates LOVE third world countries and they want to make America the same way.  This way he won’t have to send his daughter half way round the world to write a bullshit “made for lifetime movie” book.

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By ffrederico, October 3, 2007 at 5:46 pm Link to this comment
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Jesus may love the little children of the world but George Whore Bush could give a rats patootie about them! Especially poor children.

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By menot, October 3, 2007 at 4:22 pm Link to this comment
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I too agree with vet240.  To tax low income people (many smokers fall into this group) to benefit families that fall into a higher income range (the children in question are those whose parents have too much income to qualify for low income benefits) is hardly the way to solve any of our problems.  From what I heard on NPR today, this innovative method of funding was cooked up by the house repugs.  Think about that!

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By tyler, October 3, 2007 at 4:07 pm Link to this comment
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to vet240:

I agree with you that universal health care is feasable and necessary in todays society, but I also think that the tax to smokers is completely just. 

Smoking eats up millions upon millions of health care dollars on many, many different levels.  To justify it on the basis that is is legal is rubbish.

The number of people using illigal narcotic drugs is dwarfed by the number of smokers. 

Nicotine is a drug, it is highly addictive and highly destructive, and the only reason that it remains legal is because of the its powerful lobby in DC.

I think that taxing smokers is the only logical choice. 

Think of how much money, hospital time, and man hours would be saved of there were no nicotine related illnesses to deal with.  Staggering.

I’m not trying to pick a fight vet240, but I think people whose illnesses are beyond their control deserve care before people who are sick from self-infliction.

That goes for obese people too, I think your idea of a ‘fat tax’ is awesome!

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By purplewolf, October 3, 2007 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment

This is the same a-hole who flew back to the white house to sign a bill to keep Terry Schiavo on life support at the cost of millions dollars a year.Her cost per month exceeded my social security for the year times ten years+ or 1 month for Terry-120 months for the retired persoa,then I thought how many other people who had a chance to be helped by that money spend on 1 person could have helped but were denied by this same president. Then this same jerkoff got on the airways with all the babies who were saved from stem cell research that were abandonded or unwanted-needed extra frozen embryos to be implanted into surrogate mothers to be born. Yet he cuts medical and food benefits to the poor and disabled.He spends trillions of dollars on a pipedream of being the worlds dictator and denies necessities to those who have paid and those that are still paying the price for his depraved indifference. What a poor example of a human being George Bush has shown the world that he is.

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By hippy pam, October 3, 2007 at 3:45 pm Link to this comment

SO…I SEE BUSH*T HAS USED HIS POWER TO VETO MONEY FOR CHILDRENS HEALTH CARE…BUT IS HE GONNA VETO SPENDING ON HIS DAUGHTERS WEDDING???HOW ABOUT NOT SPENDING ALL THAT MONEY[that america does not have]ON HIS POWER PLAY IN IRAQ???IN AFGANISTAN???WHERE IS $$$ GONNA COME FROM TO GIVE KOREA????AMERICA IS A COUNTRY WITH 3 CLASSES OF PEOPLE—-THE RICH[BUSH*T AND COMPANY]AND THE POOR[PEOPLE RECEIVING ASSISTANCE]]LIVE ON MIDDLE CLASS AMERICAN WORKING PEOPLES SWEAT..I KNOW…I KNOW… YOU ARE OFFENDED BY THAT STATEMENT…....

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By CitizenDefender, October 3, 2007 at 3:38 pm Link to this comment

I agree with Vet20. Child health care services should be mandatory for the Federal and State government to cover; but not at the expense of a single group of people.

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By Don Stivers, October 3, 2007 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment

I can’t believe he has not been impeached!  For other things.  Not vetoing a bill.  We have morons for representatives.  I am for covering children with medical insurance.

With plenty to impeach, why have they chosen not to?

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By mary, October 3, 2007 at 2:49 pm Link to this comment

Just when you think this moron can’t get any more ridiculous…....

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By vet240, October 3, 2007 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment

First, I am a smoker.

While I support Universal health care (specially the children) I don’t think it’s fitting to tax only one group, in this case smokers.

Why not tax a much larger segment of the population? Base it on weight. For every pound above that determoned to be the “healthy” weight charge, oh I don’t know, how about 10 dollars per pound annually.

Or perhaps other life-style choices like Crack-smokers, cocain users (sniffers or shooters) and until they achieve legal approval for their life-style, Gays.

None of the above makes any sense to me, so maybe we should all approve getting out of this un-ending war stance and use that money to restore this country in all aspects.

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By David, October 3, 2007 at 2:15 pm Link to this comment
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Hold you judgement people…God probably told him to. LOL. Sell out poor sick children in favor of the insurance companies…Hmm.  Sounds more like fascism than Christianity to me.

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By Zeke, October 3, 2007 at 1:49 pm Link to this comment

Here is a semi-complete Bush check list - start needless war, ditch Geneva Convention, make most of the world hate the U.S., deny global warming, get rid of all old growth forests, load Supreme Court with idealogues, give massive tax breaks to the wealthiest 1%, get rid of 4th Amendment, politicize Justice Department… As if there are not enough reasons to dislike this guy and all of his allies, he comes up with some whack-o reasoning that making sure working Americans who can’t afford decent health insurance won’t get any.  How many days till January 2009?

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By Frikken Kids, October 3, 2007 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment

I just don’t know how he could defend asking for over $600 billion for Iraq/Afghanistan for 2008 while protesting that $35 billion over 5 years is too much to cover sick children. 

It boggles the mind. 

How is there an American anywhere who would support this policy?

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By Thomas Billis, October 3, 2007 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment
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Bush is a corporate tool.Even with 75% of America in favor of expanding this program he will veto it because the way to pay for it is with a cigarette tax.You can bet the cigarette lobby got his ear on this.If they were going to pay for it by making the debt larger he would have signed it and taken credit for coming up with the idea.That the Republicans are going to follow this moron over the cliff is an amazing thing to watch,You talk about suicide bombers and you pretty much have the republican party.This is a bigger loser for them than almost anything but the war.Even the drug companies are running advertisements in favor of s-chip expansion.Fear not Republican representatives when you are voted out of office I hear Bush will need a lot of help on the ranch clearing brush.

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By Mudwollow, October 3, 2007 at 12:36 pm Link to this comment

Wars are expensive.

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