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Congress Re-Ups Abstinence-Ed ProgramPosted on Oct 1, 2007
File under “Your Tax Dollars at Work”: Congress has once again approved a three-month extension of a $50-million nationwide abstinence-education program, a move detractors say ignores indications that the approach (shock!) may not be working for America’s teens.
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By Conservative Yankee, October 3, 2007 at 6:09 am Link to this comment
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104142 by driving bear on 10/02 at 2:46 pm
“What % chance of death should is acceptable for american teens.”
Sex is a human function, and in the US we keep “children” as children for a period of time exceeding rationality. The death rate from STD’s among teenagers is far lower than one might expect.
We let them drive, that kills the highest number.
Report thisWe let them work in the fields where poison is applied.
we let them ride bicycles, walk on busy streets, live with alcoholic parents. In their later teens, we encourage them to join the military, so you answer the question: What level of risk are we willing to accept for our young people?
By dp, October 2, 2007 at 4:28 pm Link to this comment
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I don’t know what satan (that figment of christian imagination) has to do with it, but obviously you’re pretty flustered about this issue. Your anger is apparent in your declining grammar skills. So keep on practicing abstinence and all will be well.
Report thisBy driving bear, October 2, 2007 at 3:46 pm Link to this comment
to #104119 by dp on 10/02 at 12:38 pm
Other forms of Birth control likes rubbers are less than 100% effective in preventing STD and pregancy.
Some STD’s like AIDS are Fatal. So I have one question for you. What % chance of death should is acceptable for american teens.
I know from personal experence. I worked my way throught college working in a hospital. One day at work I was acidently stuck with a needle from an
AIDS pataints room. As a result I had to sweat out a AIDS test for a year.
So to all on the left you think it’s OK to tell american youth risk death by going out and have sex
Report thisand risk AIDS. What are you Satanic?
By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, October 2, 2007 at 3:20 pm Link to this comment
Ga, what’s so religious about sex? Are we sane here?
Report thisBy dp, October 2, 2007 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment
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To: driving bare (oh sorry, bear)
Report thisCouldn’t you just as easily use the facts to educate teens to use condoms as opposed to “just saying no?” I am saying, teach the facts, but give options, not one skewed view of how to deal with rising teen pregnancies and STD’s. Abstinence is not the only answer and teens deserve to have all the alternatives presented to them so they can make the choice. Your method basically chooses for them and makes any other alternatives “wrong”. Hate to break it to you, but there are other opinions out there. And, right back at you regarding a dictionary. You could use it to check your spelling.
By driving bear, October 2, 2007 at 12:09 pm Link to this comment
To#104014 by Chip on 10/02 at 6:22 am
Report thisDriving bear’s parents did control themselves until marriage. They are proof that abstinence works.
By driving bear, October 2, 2007 at 12:01 pm Link to this comment
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#104029 by Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD on 10/02 at 7:23 am
see reply to dp
the Good christian boys and girls of the world are waiting until marriage. Because of that they have kids when they are ready and have more children per capita than any other section of the population. So in essence the christians will out reproduce the leftist /satanist like your self and take over America .
Report thisI for one can’t wait for that day to come.
By farmertx, October 2, 2007 at 11:57 am Link to this comment
#104068 by purplewolf on 10/02 at 10:01 am
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They are interested in other’s sex life because their own is so messed up.
Report thisKinda like the guy who interviewed Bill and asked “What were you thinking when this happened?” and Bill just looked at him for a moment before responding. Can’t remember his response, but I’m sure his first response would have been, Ain’t never had one, have ya?
By driving bear, October 2, 2007 at 11:51 am Link to this comment
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#104011 by dp on 10/02 at 6:18 am
I think you and the left need to by dictionaries
Report thisbecause you are confusing fear with facts.
Facts : Teenage sex can and does lead to problems like STD and some STD are fatal like AIDS. That is not reaching fear , but teaching fact.
If a girl has a baby as a teenager she will probably be poor the rest of her life, Again that not reaching fear, but fact.
By purplewolf, October 2, 2007 at 11:01 am Link to this comment
Why are so many of the Republican and these religious nut jobs totally obssessed with other peoples sex lives when it is clearly none of their business?
Report thisBy Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, October 2, 2007 at 8:23 am Link to this comment
In thirty-six hours, I’ve come to see driving bear’s argument. Abstinence is the way to go. 100% effective. Then we’ll never have any more idiots born. I realize the same can be said for thinkers, but the sacrifice will be worth it.
Report thisBy ocjim, October 2, 2007 at 7:22 am Link to this comment
We gave Democrats a simple majority in Congress but the stubborn resistance to the will of the people among the inflexible and radical conservative Republicans makes me think of a historical Winston Churchill statement in 1944 as a rallying cry: “We are determined,” Churchill said on London radio, “to expunge Hitler and any trace of Nazism. Nothing will stop us from doing that Nothing!”
Report thisBy Chip, October 2, 2007 at 7:22 am Link to this comment
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It’s too bad “driving bear’s” mom and dad didn’t practice abstinence. That way, we wouldn’t have to hear about his cock and bull stories about how abstinence is such a great thing. Get a clue won’t you “driving bear”?
The one thing that has been proven by the right wing over and over again, especially the last couple of years, is that the more you try to repress and pretend that sex and sexual desires are wrong or immoral, the more they will manifest themselves in ways that are repugnant. Repression is NOT the answer moron!
Education and discussion (with parents, etc.) and (*gasp*) informed personal choice (I know that’s something you right wingers don’t approve of) are what will effectively address these kinds of issues. But, teen pregnancy will NEVER be eliminated totally, no matter how much or how little sex education is provided.
On the other hand, the proven, sure-fire way to encourage teen pregnancy and sexual activity is to tell kids to “just say no” or to pretend that they are not human beings who are interested in sex. Crawl back into your hole “driving bear”, your time IS DONE.
Report thisBy dp, October 2, 2007 at 7:18 am Link to this comment
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Our job as parents has always been to teach and guide our children and to prepare them to live in our society. Education cannot be emphasized enough. Abstinence is a choice, not an educational program. It “teaches” fear of one’s sexuality and the need to repress normal urges. Haven’t we seen enough in society of what repression does to people? Abstinence may be 100% effective in preventing STD’s and pregnancy, but it’s also 100% effective in stifling a developing teens natural feelings and making them feel that those feelings are somehow wrong. I’m not advocating rampant sex among teens either, but at least educate them as to the risks involved and teach them early on a sense of self worth and respect, so they can make the choices that benefit them. The religious method of attempting to teach “morals” through fear has not proven to be effective.
Report thisBy Marc, October 2, 2007 at 6:58 am Link to this comment
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We need to teach our children about safe sex. Counting on abstinence is absurd. And where does this unrealistic idea come from? Religion. What a shocker. Another fine example of the harm that irrational organized religion does to our culture.
Report thisBy Erik, October 2, 2007 at 6:28 am Link to this comment
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One of the primary reasons that abstinence education won’t work is that teenagers, with considerable justification, see that many of the adults who are advocating this sort of thing are themselves blatant hypocrites, whether it involves sex or any other topic. On a topic that is as important as sex, it should hardly be surprising that “Do as I say, not as I do” is ineffective.
Report thisBy Gerald Vest, October 2, 2007 at 5:56 am Link to this comment
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It is interesting to me that the “born again” “R’s” are continuing to try to control the sexual behavior of teens; however, they can’t control their own religious leaders and zealots. Self denial produces self-indulgence as we have witnessed in the news media over and over again.
I hope that this 3 month funding for the abstinence programs is just for fazing out of this crazy funding for the religious right(wrong again) groups.
Report thisBy Thomas Billis, October 2, 2007 at 3:02 am Link to this comment
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The best way not to hit by a car is to never cross the street.Sex is more fun than crossing the street.One could only have hoped the parents of the person who keeps writing that abstinence is 100% effective had practiced it.Americans are so infantile about sex.News flash teens are going to have sex the only question is are we going to put them at a higher risk for stds and pregnancy by not informing them.As one study showed teens who sign abstinence pledges have higher incidences of oral sex and anal sex.Where do I sign up?
Report thisBy Ga, October 2, 2007 at 12:52 am Link to this comment
Abstinence is the only method that is 100 % effective in preventing STD and pregnancy.
And one needs to ask, what do you mean by “abstinence” anyway? Does it allow kissing? Does it allow any touching?
Condoms are nearly 100% effective.
Ignorance is 0% effective.
Report thisBy Ga, October 2, 2007 at 12:46 am Link to this comment
Also in my opinion there should be no sex education in school. I see sex ed as the state (the school) intruding on parental and religious territory.
From the above to this:
Any form of sex ed is simply the state usually the left trying to force its believes on students.
Means you are simply advocating the enforcement of your beliefs on students.
Science is neutral. This is about biology. About basic biology of the human reproductive system and the human body.
The majority of teens will experiment with sex and all will eventually have sex. You, need I say “the Right”, are advocating the suppression of knowledge, not really just advocating “not doing it.”
If you want to suppress the knowledge of your children, well, there are private schools - and vouchers now - for you, as well as home schooling, as well as finding out from your schools if and when they teach “sex” and then withdrawing your kids from that class on those days. Whatever.
But you, The Right, are advocating the wholesale withholding of education - required education, in my opinion - from all children. Shame on you. But the Right has no shame.
Report thisBy Ga, October 2, 2007 at 12:34 am Link to this comment
Abstinence is the only method that is 100% effective in preventing STD and pregnancy. By fighting this program the left is showing the whole world that their goal is not to prevent STD , but instead to promote sexual activity.
It has been widely shown now that “abstinence only education” is a failure. Not only does it not work it fosters ignorance and mis-education.
Many teens think that only sexual intercourse (with penetration) is what abstinence is about. Many think that oral sex is not sex for example.
Nobody is “fighting abstinence.” People “on the left” want comprehensive sex education, which by definition would include abstinence education.
But by only pushing “abstinence, abstinence!” down kids throats, the right endangers kids and society.
Report thisBy Rune, October 1, 2007 at 11:49 pm Link to this comment
Abstinence only is not enough, but abstinence plus an “Iron Hymen” is a slam dunk success (sorta like the slam dunk success of a certain plan to save the world from Saddam’s quest for yellow cake uranium, I believe).
Check it:
Report thishttp://www.ironhymen.com
By Verla Mae, October 1, 2007 at 10:59 pm Link to this comment
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I just love all these claims that abstinence and celibacy work. Abstinence only works if a kid is faithfully not having sex. What teenager do you know who is sincerely practicing abstinence, or being celibate? NONE. Kids are out there doing it to beat the band. And, few parents are brave enough to confront them about sex, once they’ve started cutting loose that pony for regular riding.
Having abstinence taught in the classroom is no more likely to stop kids from having sex than learning algebra will make them Pythagoras. Let’s be practical, and realistic.
The same folks pushing this kick want to close down Planned Parenthood and make abortion illegal. Now, unless you’re heterosexual and in a Christian marriage, they want you to stop having sex. That’s a bit much, I think. America may be a lot of things, but abstinent and celibate aren’t two of those things. Unintelligent and uneducated about sex are, though.
Our kids need good sex education. I’d rather it be taught in the classroom in a proper setting than learned the way I learned it, on my back in the flatbed of some thunder cat’s blue Chevy pickup, without an inkling of carnal knowledge or a condom. Today’s teens can’t be left go the way we were. There’s just too much out there to harm them. They need all the information we can give them. We can’t go on this blissfully ignorant.
Report thisBy ProfessorVP, October 1, 2007 at 10:08 pm Link to this comment
If you didn’t know, Bill Clinton promoted abstinence, too. In his mind, he was abstinent.
Report thisReagan was big on abstinence, also. If you didn’t know, when he and Nancy married, she was knocked up. They had a full-term baby, Patti, 7 months later. Naturally, Larry Craig is for them Old Time Values. Who but the simplest rubes would buy Abstinence Education or other cynical crapola?
By driving bear, October 1, 2007 at 10:01 pm Link to this comment
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#103917 by Outraged on 10/01 at 7:39 pm
First off pope outraged wants to be the one to decide what is the truth.
Second I still notice nobody even attempted to refute
the FACT the Abstinence is the only method that is 100 % effective in preventing STD and pregnancy.
As for being uncomfortable with sex, you are full of leftist crap.
Also in my opinion there should be no sex education in school. I see sex ed as the state ( the school) intruding on parental and religious territory
Any form of sex ed is simply the state usually the left trying to force its believes on students.
Report thisBy Outraged, October 1, 2007 at 8:39 pm Link to this comment
#103889 by driving bear on 10/01
First off driving bear nowhere did I say teens cannot control their hormones. Secondly, sex is not a right or a left “thing”, as Farmertx states. Sex is a normal part of life, but just because YOU are uncomfortable with learning the TRUE facts concerning sex doesn’t mean everyone is. Since the facts fully acknowledge that abstinence DOES NOT WORK for the MAJORITY of teens, left or right, it should be only ONE of the options teens are told are available, and it should not be pushed as the “best” option. And because YOU happen to BELIEVE it to be a good option for YOU why should YOU push YOUR BELIEFS on everyone else. It isn’t us pushing something that isn’t realistic, it’s YOU.
If you don’t want to have sex before marriage, go ahead, no one is stopping you. But don’t push your beliefs on everyone else. Statistics show teens have sex. For the record, driving bear, sex before marriage is not a modern idea and the notion of it being “the right thing to do” is religious.
But for our government to endorse such nonsense as the “best option” is garbage. Since you seem to feel that the left is the one having all this illicit sex, how do you explain Ted Haggard, Sen. Craig, Pres. Bush (remember, a prostitute died when he rolled his car, yeah, he was wasted), Arnold had his little porno photo op, the molesting catholic priests…..we could go on and on and on.
Report thisBy farmertx, October 1, 2007 at 7:24 pm Link to this comment
While one blogger seems to believe that we are living in a perfect world, most of us realize that facts are facts.
Report thisAbstience does work. Fact.
Teenager’s will have sex. Fact.
Where do the two meet? Nowhere.
While he seems to feel that the “right”(wing) children will abstain, I look at the behavior and actions of many of the parents on the “right” and really don’t see that message translated into action.
‘Course, I am sure that Faux News will refute the above, but…so what?
Of all the problems that this Country has, teen pregancies is one…one that needs to be dealt with by the parents.
The problems that Congress needs to be concerned with are sidelined, so abstinence can be debated?
By driving bear, October 1, 2007 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment
I notice the 3 previous posters don’t even try to refute the fact that abstinence is 100 % effective in preventing STD and pregnancy.
Also the 3 previous posters state that teens are unable to control their hormones. This is false.
Report thisTeens can and do control their hormones and wait until marriage to have sex. Just because some on the left don’t have will power is does not give the left the right to try to force their believes on the teens on America
By Outraged, October 1, 2007 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment
I think it’s a great idea. The nitwits who practice this will die off from “natural selection”, and the more intelligent among us will pro-create if they chose too. Since the nitwits have already fought the battle allowing “opting out” of sex ed., intelligent parents can use that option and then give their children the benefit of accurate information. Wow, the next generation has it made.
Report thisBy rage, October 1, 2007 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment
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Please! These sanctimonious sexually repressed idiots need to let that foolishness go.
We need to spend a little funding on offering parenting classes to young folks who have already miserably failed the government’s first attempts at enforcing sexual abstinance. Condoms and birth control pills are way cheaper than child support payments, or, worst, the loss of lives when they’re cut short from having haplessly contracted AIDS or HPV.
Since these rascals are going to continue to have very regular sex, let’s arm them with some knowledge, wisdom, and honesty with all that good lovin’ they’re out there making, instead of crippling them with a puritanical recrimination of the sex they’re having. Real grown ups can do this without giving some adolescent rascal the impression we’re advocating their illicit sexual activity. After all, the first lesson ought to address how they, too, can go to jail for their own underage sex with each other. They may not be tried as adults, but they need to know they risk being confined to a juvenile detention center until the day they reach the age of their majority in their respective states. Adolescents need to KNOW it all! After all knowledge is that ounce of prevention that provides the many pounds of welcomed cure and safe protection from such punitive beasts as sexually transmitted diseases, unwanted parenthood, and the penetentiary, where having frequent sex may not necessarily be their right or privilege as a victim of prison rape. In the end, yes, these are their lives to live, their sex to undulge, and their choices to make. Yes, they’re going to exercise their rights, the law and parents be all damned, the same way we did, from that first innocent kiss to our more recent truly trifling behavior.
This preparation really should be the parents’ responsibilty. Since too many parents are dropping the ball on this, let’s work to include education on human sexuailty in high school ciriculums nationally. We use tax dollars to pay for any and everything else we can justify in contemporary education where we can get away with it. That abstinance is not working is no news flash. A condom might help though, if we tell these knuckleheads how and why to they MUST use it. We all need to grow up. Sex is nothing at which adults in a first world nation as advanced as the USA should still be cringing with embarrasment. Sex is as necessary a human function as breathing air. Yet, we’re never too ashamed of human respiration to breathe, are we?
Report thisBy dasm, October 1, 2007 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment
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Um, no, the “left” - whatever that is—maybe the voice of reason??- says that horny teens will never practise abstinence, be it from intercourse or masturbation. The radsical right REpubs just don’t get it, even though they’ve all been in that situation. Don’t have sex- don’t even think about it! - what a pathetic stance. Sexuality is a normal thing, a blessing from—yes—God. So deal with it, you radical right idiots—don’t tell us it doesn’t exist. Radical rights hate sex - they prove that over & over—but what sense does that make? We are sexual beings. I guess the radical right feel we need to be squelched, subdued, run over, dissed, ridiculed. What poppycock!! (Look it up you ignorant conservatives) Sexuality is normal, welcomed, delightful. Get used to it, you right wing nutjobs.
Report thisBy Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, October 1, 2007 at 2:53 pm Link to this comment
driving bear #103849 Enclosed is my check for $31 (that’s all I can afford) to help you stop kids from having sex, goddamnit. I can’t stand the thoughts that they’re having all that fun and I’m not getting any. P.S. Are you?
Report thisBy driving bear, October 1, 2007 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment
Abstinence is the only method that is 100% effective in preventing STD and pregnancy.
Report thisBy fighting this program the left is showing the whole world that their goal is not to prevent STD , but instead to promote sexual activity