Re#104322 by Conservative Yankee on 10/03 at 5:22 am
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Thanks. I stand corrected.
Although I meant no one successfully campaigned with religion as the main part of their campaign.

The xians have once before had a theocracy in Europe.  It has since come to be called the Dark Ages.
How can anyone (except those expecting to be in the ruling class) even consider letting these evil bastards have another chance?

“Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!”
“Blessed are the cheese makers.”

Never say “surge.”  Say Bush’s escalation.  Never say “war in Iraq.” “Say Bush’s war in Iraq.”  Bush’s failure in New Orleans.  Bush’s national debt.
Never allow him to distance himself from his disasters.

We have Pigpen to thank for the religious fervor sweeping the Republican’s. No one has ever campaigned (for President) as a ‘relgious’ individual. Until the Shrub.
Organized religion that sticks to dealing with the daily life of their Church member’s is acceptable. Once it attempts to venture into politics, it is wrong.
If it is wrong to display the 10 Commandments, it needs to be wrong to campaign based on religious beliefs.
A lot of us remember when JFK was the second Catholic to run for the Presidency, and the “talk” that the US would be ruled by the Pope, should he be elected. He was and it wasn’t.
Now, the religious right is threatening to form an independent party. They really need to consider moving to a country that allows the Church rule the State.

How can people make such bald faced lies given that they are clearly contradicted in black and white?  Well, actually black and parchment color. The Declaration of Independence mentions god once and creator once. No mention of which one.  My guess is Apophis. 

The US Constitution never mentions god at all.  In particular, there is NO “so help me god” in the president’s oath of office.  Exactly how much can an oath be changed before it is no longer considered the same oath?

And for those who claim the US is an xian nation: All of the xians in Congress who did swear “so help me god” are in fact breaking the law of christ:

Matthew Chapter 5:

5:33: “Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, “You shall not
    swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.’
5:34: But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God’s
    throne;
5:35: nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the
    city of the great King.
5:36: Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white
    or black.
5:37: But let your “Yes’ be “Yes,’ and your “No,’ “No.’ For whatever is more
    than these is from the evil one.
   
For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.

Perhaps this explains the behavior of our representatives.  Their oaths bind them to satan.

E Pleb Neesta
GODISNOWHERE
Blessed are the cheese makers.
If HPV vaccination promotes promiscuity, then confession promotes sin.
 
It’s Bush’s War.  Bush’s Jihad.  Bush’s Quagmire.  Bush’s Shredding of the Constitution. Always associate these things with Bush.  Don’t let him pin it on a (if there is one) successor.

McCain is one of those millions of Americans who can’t even begin to consider the possibility that there was spiritualism being practiced in what became America centuries before xtians invaded and that no one has any more right to discount its validity than they have thinking it is the right of the US to segregate tribes in Iraq or anywhere else in the world.  If Xtianity teaches anything well, it must be arrogance topped up with a great dollop of ignorance.

There are still many countries that kill missionaries. Without prejudice. As long as they’re carrying bibles, they’re executed for whatever reason that country decides. Not that I’m at all arguing with their right to do just that. One Mormon at the door getting pissy with me and throwing “holy oil” all over the place because they don’t like the fact that I’m an atheist is enough to do it for me. But the part that kills me is when christians complain and scream that their missionaries were killed.

If a country TELLS you, verbally and in writing, that their country does not allow or tolerate proselytization and the penalty for practicing it is death, and christians arrogantly decide for themselves to sneak people in and smuggle bibles in, are killed for it, DON’T WHINE. Don’t expect American intervention. Just accept you willingly broke the law and paid for it.

I’m sure their Jesus would be proud of American christian efforts to “convert or kill”. I’m sure their god would shine with pride about how easily and determinedly they constantly break the “Thou shalt not kill” and “Thou shalt bear no false witness” with impunity. They should be able to lawyer their way out of any condemnation by their god and demand HE admit he was wrong, un-christian, or un-American when He refuses to back down on His words. I wonder if they will demand their troops be sent to Him to bomb Him into submission? “God has weapons of mass destruction! He is a dictator! We must kill Him for His atrocities! We MUST bring freedoms to the people of Heaven and remove this psychopath from office!”

Won’t it be an interesting afterlife if they get what they give? Guantanamo Bay and there won’t be an attorney around to argue their points, stop any of the guards from smacking them in their faces with bibles, or flushing their own “holy book” down the toilets.

Yes, the Founding Fathers used “God” a lot. Most of them believed in one, but more on a Deist basis. More along the lines of He came, He made the world, He left. The rest is in our hands. It is also very clear they were intentionally bound to remove religion from government. Their “beliefs” were far different from the fervent beliefs of the 50’s that have swollen to the unmanageable proportions of today. Those early men tended to have the outlook that what goes on between someone and their god stays there and no one has a right intrude or insist on clarification or explanation. No, you do not have the right to bang on someone’s door to spread your beliefs. Yes, you do have the right to say, “Can I talk to you about Jesus?” The Founders would have considered it crass, rude and downright unintelligent of you, but you have the right to speak it. And when everyone else tells you, “No, you can’t.” That’s it. You’re done. Move on. 

“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”—Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, 1813. ME 14:21

“In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.”—Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, 1814. ME 14:119

The G.A.O. still has the clear and prominent duty to remove any and ALL religious practitioners in government who put their religious beliefs in front of their clear governmental duties. They still do their job. Why does it take them so long to do so?

#103801 by purplewolf on 10/01 at 10:32 am

You evidently did not read my comment very carefully, otherwise you would not have said what you said. Whatever tirade/platform you are on, you need to be careful to not lash out so superficially.

#103707 R.M.

You need to add Dr. Jason Long,author of Biblical Nonsense,excellent book.It is also available to read on line for free at. http://www.biblicalnonsense.com.Dr. Long also asnwers any email promptly.It gives numerous examples proving what a gigantic fairy tale the bible really is.(My own views) as to why did God need Adams rib to make Eve. Thanks to medical science the world knows it takes only 1 cell to make an identical copy of the orginal source,it’s called cloning.And since Eve had a whole rib of Adam in his(her) DNA makeup he(she) would be an identical copy of Adam thus you have the first homosexual couple Adam and Steve,not Eve as that person had the same anatomy as Adam.For all those morons out there who still believe a book of heresay,you have to keep repeating the same information repeatedly to them as it doesn’t register the first time around.

#103713 Robert Hutwohl

THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED BY PAGANS (AS CALLED BY CHRISTIANS).
You need to go back to school as you obviously failed to learn anything from it. THE PILGRIMS WERE PURITANS AND NOT CHRISTIANS AS ALL YOU YOU STUPID PEOPLE KEEP CLAIMING.PURITANS GET IT.AND THIS COUNTRY HAD PEOPLE WHO WERE LIVING HERE WELL BEFORE THE PURITANS AND LATER THE CHRISTIANS-WHO BROUGHT US THE SPANISH INQUESION-LOOK IT UP.THESE PEOPLE WERE REFERRED TO AND INDIANS BY CHRIRTOPHER COLOMBUS.YOU DIDN’T LEARN MUCH ABOUT HISTORY.

THANKS TO GEORGE BUSF OVER 80% OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS HAS BEEN DESTROYED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, AS WELL AS MOST OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THIS COUNTRY, AGAIN THANKS TO GEORGE BUSH. WAKE UP SHEEPLE- YOU HAVE BEEN INVADED BY DELUSIONAL FALSE PROPHETS CLAIMING THEY ARE DOING GOD’S WILL.

Native American Indians might find McCain’s views interesting. The “Christians” of the early U.S. nearly destroyed their nations, stole their land and exterminated them.

American is more than just so-called “Christians.” And many Americans do have Native American Indian genetic backgrounds and DNA within them.

Food for thought on this in the article ...

“Who is a Cherokee? Many Americans have Indians in the family tree”

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=21743

“Judeo-Christian principled tradition…”

What is principled in singing “bomb, bomb - bomb Iran” and then putting on a suit and tie to tell people how “Christian” you are???

Its hardly likely that McCain would have stood up for or defended Jesus in any way when he was being dragged down by the Jewish church or the Israeli state 2,000 years ago so lets forget the “Judeo” part, eh.

By the way, glad-handing and pandering to AIPAC or the Southern Baptists or the Christian Zionists wouldn’t have washed with Jesus either, so lets forget the “Christian” part too, uhh.

Regardless of what John McCain thinks the reason why the founding fathers and mothers came together to form this nation, our U.S. Constitution speaks for itself. You can not force religion upon a document unless it is explicitly there. And, it is not. God is not mentioned in this document’s VII Articles. It was molded on the basis of equal rights to all citizens of the U.S., regardless of religion. That is why God is not mentioned.

Furthermore, in the Bill of Rights (which constitute the first X Amendments to the U.S. Constitution), Amendment I to the U.S. Constitution explicitly qualifies our religious freedom: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

If this nation was founded of Christian cause, distinctive of the Mayflower Pilgrim’s purpose in landing around Nov. 1620, then it can be only have made its appearance as an adhesion through the process of time. This great nation of ours will survive irrespective of George Bush and Richard Cheney types who have meddled in the affairs of which they severely lack the intelligence to comprehend. And along with John McCain, they have the right to choose whatever religion they wish, although for me they appear to lack earnest and true faith. But they also have no right to impose their style of religion upon me. A TRUE CHRISTIAN would never do so. That is how you can tell the charlatans from the genuine spirits.

I believe a fundamental cognitive dissonance exists when a “firm believer” attempts to embrace and use the tools of logic, reason and equity.

I don’t believe it’s possible to belong to and play for one team while honestly, equally and effectively supporting all the teams in the league.

That said, I don’t believe it’s possible to find a single individual who can represent ALL the people without bias or prejudice. The best we can expect from a leader is that he or she will ATTEMPT to engage all the players in honest dialog and ATTEMPT to find a playing field that is level as possible for all.

I see no evidence that John McCain has any intentions of making any effort to represent ALL the citizens in a fair and reasonable manner.

A minister said it better than I. Don’t know his name, but he said “A knife in of itself is not dangerous; Use it to butter bread and that is a good thing, use it to stab some one and the knife becomes an evil instrument.” He said, now use the same context when speaking of religion. When religion is used for political reasons, and to keep people under the thump of politicians it is evil. Use relgion for your personal relationship with God and you have what God expects religion to be.

I agree there must be a separation of religion and politics.

McCain should hang up his spurs and retire from politics, the sooner the better.

Purplewolf makes a number of good points.  The christies’s are determined to force their religious beliefs on all of us.  Remember the taliban!  It would be the same here. 

In the 1600 hundreds and into the 1700’s this country’s founders flirted with theocracy.  It did not work!  The christies keep telling their big lie: founded as a christian nation.  Of course it is their brand of Christianity.  Many of these folks would replace our Constitution with “the Bible.”

Authorotarian’s love the fundamentalists.  Just let them know that god is on their side and you have their blessing.  Politicians invoking god as their personal cruise control must never be trusted.  In most of the world they would be laughed off the stage.  Seeing McCain take this tack simply marginalizes him more.

He’s done long time ago at Hanoi Hilton ! His voice echoed from a deep grave !

Would John McCain turn the U.S. into something like Israel?  Unless you are a Jew, you cannot even be a Cabinet member in Israel—no Palestinian Christians or Muslims.

Until I saw this, I thought McCain should not be counted out. Now it appears that he has become a desperate man, selling the dregs of his alledged intergrity to the highest bidder.

Boo hoo.

As for the Constitution and Christianity, McCain is no doubt pleased that all those christblind multitudes in the fly-overs don’t actually read what the ‘framers’ actually wrote. For example, Thomas Paine, the man who coined the term “The United States of America” stated categorically in his ‘Age Of Reason” that he disbelieved all three major religions.

Like Paine, many of the founding fathers were deists. Men of faith, perhaps, but decidedly not men to submit to any type of organized religion. Deists reject the idea that god communicates to mankind through language, therefore, all manner of ‘sacred’ texts are to be dismissed as the works of ordinary men attempting to manipulate others.

Ironic huh, that’s how most of our supreme court justices view the constitution today…

McCain is done.  The religious-right doesn’t trust him,  his prostrations before Bush lost him every bit of respect he ever had, and he is now, rightly, seen as begging to be elected President.

He’s done.

THE BIGGEST DANGER TO THE PEOPLES OF THE WORLD IS ORGANIZED RELIGION!
This country was never founded on “Christian” anything.The orginal people had a religion of their own.It was denied them once the “other religions” arrived.When the pilgrims(grim)came they were Puritains,not Christians as so many ignorant people claim.They stole,lied and murdered as they saw fit. Then the Christians came and they stole,lied, murdered and coveted all the while claiming God gave them this country.Do you really think it was okay to be gifted with a stolen country from God in the way it happened? In fact they broke almost all of the commandments that did not pertain mainly to God-in other words commandments 1-5 were exempt and commandments 6-10 need only apply to this.Which ones didn’t they break in the hijacking of this country from the Native peoples? To say this country was founded on Christian value is a direct slap in the face to the entire non-christian believing world.
We all have seen the diasterous reign of George, Gods chosen decider.Hasn’t he lied,coverted things not his,MURDERED,stolen,and underminded things we will never know about.Wasn’t it said he who is with out sin,and judge not… Well G.W. has in his arrogance done both to justify his murdering over a million+ people just in the Iraq mess.Still these blind faith Christians do not see that they are evil personified.Everything they claim is vile about other people,they are the same,only worse.
Anyone who spouts his “Christianity” is someone to be very leery about.One of the overseerers of the Walter Reed incident was so busy praying and letting his religion run his life that he totally neglected his duty to the wounded soldiers as he claims that his duty to God came first.Well he should never have taken that job to help the veterans and certainly if he was so Christian,never take a paycheck for a job he ignored and yet he cashed the checks with any thought he had done something wrong.These Christians that are running amok in this administration have done more to harm the people,environment,the world all in the name of greed and as long as they spew forth “GODTALK,“t hey think it’s okay.
It’s time to toss out all candidates who jump on the God bandwagon,along with those on the war wagon as they are unfit to rule due to delusional thought and actions.
If these political people try to force Christianity on everyone they are no better than the other religions that force their own beliefs onto others. And what if some people refuse to be converted,will they then kill those who refuse like they do in the very countries we are fighting with right now?

Bye bye McCain. You’re done. Maybe it’s true. People can only be brave once in their lives. After that, selling out, even to the most hideous evil, is acceptable. You are formally a traitor to the people and the Constitution of this country. You no longer matter.

This is the end of John McCain. He has decided to confirm that he is aligned with the ranks of religious intolerance that has driven our country to disaster both here at home and abroad.

He may still pull of winning the republican nomination (not likely) but he certainly has no chance against any of the Democratic nominees.