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Ellsberg Warns of Possible ‘Police State’ in U.S.

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Posted on Sep 26, 2007

Just to put current world events in perspective, here’s a transcript of a recent speech by Daniel Ellsberg, the former Defense Department analyst who released the Pentagon Papers to the press during the Vietnam War, about some potential developments that could severely harm our country in the not-so-distant future.


Consortiumnews.com:

If there’s another 9/11 under this regime ... it means that they switch on full extent all the apparatus of a police state that has been patiently constructed, largely secretly at first but eventually leaked out and known and accepted by the Democratic people in Congress, by the Republicans and so forth.

Will there be anything left for NSA to increase its surveillance of us? ...  They may be to the limit of their technical capability now, or they may not. But if they’re not now they will be after another 9/11.

And I would say after the Iranian retaliation to an American attack on Iran, you will then see an increased attack on Iran - an escalation - which will be also accompanied by a total suppression of dissent in this country, including detention camps.

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By cyrena, September 27, 2007 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment

#102822 by TAO Walker

TAO,

Thanks for the info contained in the above post. This is news we can use of course, (if we really want to).

Ironic how these veterans suffering PTSD CANNOT get any services from the VA or anybody else, for their conditions, but they CAN (and will) be added to a list of people who are not allowed their “right to bear arms”.

This isn’t surprising, just sickening. Nobody seemed the least bit concerned about the psycho that got the guns to do the massacre at Virginia tech.

Meantime, there are the Blackwater Black Shirts, (psycho as all get-out) and they roam free, and armed to the teeth.

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By Douglas Chalmers, September 27, 2007 at 12:37 pm Link to this comment

#102944 by mary on 9/27 at 6:13 am: “...This is all quite true of course.  The 2000 stolen election should have scared the hell out of us.  It still boggles the mind to see this Administration allow 9/11 to happen on their watch and turn it into a big plus…..”

Neither you nor the American people will ever be ‘saved’ by guns, mary. The real horror is that people know, even subconsciously, that 9/11 was something that their government did to them! That is the really frightening thing.

Whether you believe that it was (a) and inside job, or (b) it was ‘allowed’ to happen like Pearl Harbor, it has created a deep and numbing fear of a ranting and raving and vengeful authority. For the average person, however, equating that with Nazi Germany and Hitler is still too frightening a reality.

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By mary, September 27, 2007 at 7:13 am Link to this comment

This is all quite true of course.  The 2000 stolen election should have scared the hell out of us.  It still boggles the mind to see this Administration allow 9/11 to happen on their watch and turn it into a big plus, lie us into war and still have the support of 80% of their party, change the Supreme Court with little objection from the Senate, and manage to be elected in 2004!  When I listen to sheep like Elizabeth on The View still believe these guys are doing everything to “protect us” from another attack, I can’t help but feel sorry for the next generation.  Anybody who thinks this Administration has not done everything Ellsberg has warned and written about is surely doomed to live it.  Being from a “military” family for many generations, I hope these trained warriors turn their guns on those who created this mess.  Maybe then we can save our Constitution and our freedoms restored…...

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By John Borowski, September 27, 2007 at 5:22 am Link to this comment
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The difference with Hitler and the Hitler-like people in London and Washington is Hitler had no nukes. The Hitler-like people in London and Washington have nukes. Just taking into account the nukes flying over head (Disregarding the nukes underground and in the oceans) are more than enough to kill the earth a hundred times over. Do you believe that if Hitler had nukes this world would no longer be here? What the Hitler- like people is telling the public is that if you take our poison, you will be shielded from any attack from the killem for god because you will be dead.

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By writeon, September 27, 2007 at 3:49 am Link to this comment
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I’ve read some comments on Daniel Elsberg here and there, and boy, there are some pretty angry people around! Is it just me, or are people becoming angrier and more emmotional than they used to be? Anger and emmotion, what an explosive mix. As the Clash once sang, ‘Anger can be power, if you know how to use it!’

I’m begining to feel like a middle-class product of the enlightenment, compared to some of the attitudes expressed regarding Elsberg’s lastest peice, and all the while I’ve been kidding my self that I was a revolutionary anarchist! Christ, are people going mad?

Sure, on a very theoretical level, one can argue that the United States was a big, ideological, confidence trick from its inception. A country ruled by an ‘aristocratic’ elite from day one, once ties to the old country had been severed. But that’s hardly relevant here and now, as we fight to preserve the last shreds of the Constitution and our limited rights. Maybe I’m too pragmatic. Whilst there’s a great deal to critize relating to the Constitution and the American Liberal model, compared to where we might be going, a totalitarian Christo-Fascist police-state, I’d prefer, on balance, to fight for what we’ve got, however imperfect in might be. So I guess that makes me sound like a moderate on the side of Elsberg. Some of the shit poured over his head, by apparently militant, extremists; borders on the pathelogical.  It is amazing and frightening. One gets the impression that we’d be on the edge of ‘revolutionary terror’ if some of these people ever got their bloody, little, hands on the levers of power! What a great alternative that would be!

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By Druthers, September 27, 2007 at 2:32 am Link to this comment
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Everything is in place.  The only piece of the puzzle lacking is the occasion that can so easily be provoked.

These pathological complusive monsters are not reasonable, do not answer to reason.  They follow their own secret twisted plans and if they go unhindered will continue on their suicidal journey.

Stalin too was bunkered down in his Kremlin, controled only by his paranoid manacial ruminations, surrounded by his yes men, extortng ever greater prices from his people..but they had once been serfs - and it looks as though the return to a Czarist like world is brewing on the burner in the White House.

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By Douglas Chalmers, September 26, 2007 at 11:56 pm Link to this comment

Its here! You’ve earned it! Just try standing in the wrong place or looking the wrong way and you’ll be TASERED by some sleazy pig!!! “Clockwork Orange” comes to Hicksville…... your ‘new world order’ is up yours!

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By rowdy, September 26, 2007 at 10:08 pm Link to this comment

i’m 60. i feel i have always lived in a police state. ellsburg is an idiot if he doesn’t believe the police state has always existed. stalin could not have done better.

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By P. T., September 26, 2007 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment

Imperialism abroad means repression of dissent at home.

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By thomas billis, September 26, 2007 at 7:24 pm Link to this comment
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The police state is here.Hitler was not working for a government either.It was either Madison or Monroe who said at the Consitituional Convention we have fool proofed the Constitution.He never met George Bush.

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By cyrena, September 26, 2007 at 5:08 pm Link to this comment

#102762 by ocjim

•  Before you pooh, pooh Ellsberg’s predictions, think about what has happened since 9/11.

•  Don’t tell me it can’t happen. It is already in progress.

OCJIM….

Another bulls eye here, and the scariest part of it all, is that most of us, (even the smartest among us) are still unaware that this is already in progress, because by now, they’ve been effectively brainwashed in accepting this as the “reality of the post-911 world”.

OUTRAGED (#102780 ) was even MORE correct (in noting the following) because this has been in the works for decades.

•  “It is increasingly clear with each new book and each new leak that comes out, that Richard Cheney and his now chief of staff David Addington have had precisely that in mind since at least the early 70s.

So, to repeat the point from outraged, this didn’t just start. I have been warning folks about the extreme dangers of Richard Cheney and his private staff (Scooter Libby, David Addington, and others) for a very long time now. I have “observed” and over a long period of time, what these people are not only ABLE to do, but what they are more than willing, and even anxious to do; such as the events of 9-11.

Still, the 9-11 operation is probably the best example for anyone trying to understand things at this point, because it gives us what I call a “before and after” view.


It’s like knowing somebody all of your life, and interacting with them on a near daily basis. Let’s say that person has always been over or under weight. Now, as a fat person, I start losing weight…slowly. Those who see me everyday, are not likely to notice anything drastic, even after a couple of months. Now, a year later, I come across another person that I’ve also known all of my life, but haven’t seen in a while. They might not even recognize the now 70-pound slimmer –me- if they saw me on the street, or even if I walked up to their door.

It’s the same with 9-11. My sister’s kids are now more or less “socialized” to a police state. (watch what you wear to the airport, or you might get blown away)

Another example, pre-911, the shooting of an unarmed passenger by a federal police officer on board an aircraft would have appalled even the most brain-dead among us. But NOW, my fellow Americans say that they “understand” because after all, that’s a “National Security Matter”. And so, that’s that. No investigation, no repercussions for the police that did it. And, nobody questions it, except for people like me, (and others I’m sure) because we know that standard aviation security protocol would have made it nearly impossible for this passenger to have a “bomb” on his person, even though that’s what the feds claimed when the shot him dead on the jetway.

Same thing with torture, extraordinary rendition, the dismissal of habeus corpus, the spying, and the general undoing of our Constitution, to make way for this police state. For whatever the reason, even those of us who were around long before 9-11, have seemingly come to “accept” all of these explanations, (national security) and to fall in lock-step to “obeying them”, all because of “9-11”. And, while I’m NOT suggesting that all of these same police state tactics have not been in use for decades, the difference is that the masses of us have come to accept them as the normal state of things, and to OBEY.

And, the “questioners” are silenced, one way or the other. So, over time, the group-speak begins to echo the police state policy, even when they don’t even realize that’s what they’re doing.

It’s here, and we’re living it.

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By TAO Walker, September 26, 2007 at 5:03 pm Link to this comment

Here’s something that might be part of “the bigger picture.”  According to an article on the editorial page in the Havre (Montana) “Daily News” for Tuesday, September 25, 2007, something the author calls the “Veterans Disarmament Act” pending before the U.S. Senate and already passed by the House of Representatives as HR 2640, “National Criminal Information System (NICS) Improvement Ammendments Act,” will bar any and all veterans ever “diagnosed with PTSD” from legally owning firearms.

Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, says the medical records of tens of thousands more vets will be added to the 83,000 already dumped into the original NICS, automatically adding their names to the federal “no guns” list used to pass or fail prospective gun buyers nationwide.  No court proceding would be necessary any longer to deprive anyone subject to this act of their rights under the Second Ammendment to the U.S. Constitution (It is now.), and psychiatrists and social workers could, under the legislation, add the names of those who are believed to pose even a “tiny danger to self or others,” according to Pratt.

He adds that “expungement” provisions under existing law will be included, but are notoriously cumbersome already, and so far have been effectively blocked “for ten years” by withholding funding.  Pratt urges “....soldiers (active duty and retired) inlarge numbers, along with the rest of the public,” to contact Congress in opposition.

A ‘Nam vet GreatGandSon of this old Savage said today it looks to him like this is an attempt to “neutralize” the one group in the country most likely to mount some effective in-kind resistance to the things Daniel Ellsberg discusses here.  Many active-duty and veteran military people are knowledgeably angry with the global gangbangers’ criminal enterprise.  Many are not only already armed, they’ve been trained to use weapons and tactics effectively….and they keep in-touch with one another.  Virtually all of them are to some degree or other afflicted with PTSD….thus subject to being “diagnosed.”

Put this together with the for-hire army rapidly being built-up around the Iraq oil grab, the iffy reliability of citizen soldiers ordered to impose marshall law using deadly force in “the homeland,” and the continuing run-up to expanding “the central front in the GWOT” to include Iran, and the likely next phase of the plutoligarchy’s insane “project” begins to emerge from the morass of media-generated confusion the domesticated peoples take mistakenly for “reality.”

This old Indian has said elsewhere on this site that our tame two-legged sisters and brothers shouldn’t expect to shoot their way out of the awful predicament so much previous shooting has gotten them into.  For one thing, as my ‘Nam vet Grandson also said today, the forces of repression and exploitation have an overwhelming superiority when it comes to sheer firepower….not even to mention their (fraudulently obtained) monoply on the “legitimate” use of force. 

There’s bound to be plenty of bloodshed in any event.  Those who would effectively disarm the actual privateering perpetrators will have much better chances from the Living ground of our Human organic integrity….together in the Tiyoshpaye Way.

HokaHey!

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By Outraged, September 26, 2007 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment

The following passage from the article is extremely noteworthy:

“It is increasingly clear with each new book and each new leak that comes out, that Richard Cheney and his now chief of staff David Addington have had precisely that in mind since at least the early 70s. Not just since 1992, not since 2001, but have believed in Executive government, single-branch government under an Executive president – elected or not – with unrestrained powers. They did not believe in restraint.”

The fact that these things were in play since the 70’s says they had idea or premise, turned it into a plan then worked to bring it to compilation.  Simple comparison dictates that their “plan” is in direct opposition to the very foundations of our constitution, this in turn, constitutes it as a conspiracy to undermine our government and therefore traitorous.

Is one act more traitorous than the other, selling the US out to another country or bringing the foundations upon which our government was built, to ruin?  They are both traitorous acts.

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By John Borowski, September 26, 2007 at 2:22 pm Link to this comment
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Ellsberg writes: When I say this I’m not saying they are traitors. I don’t think they have in mind allegiance to some foreign power or have a desire to help a foreign power. I believe they have in their own minds a love of this country and what they think is best for this country – but what they think is best is directly and consciously at odds with what the Founders of this country and Constitution thought. One of the two parties is dead wrong. The right in this country doesn’t even go to first base without an approval by the British. Nixon found this out the hard way many years ago. We Americans can write what we believe now; enjoy your self it is later than you think!

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By QuyTran, September 26, 2007 at 1:03 pm Link to this comment

We don’t need Ellsberg’s warning. We knew this damned
policy since the very first day of Bush (son) became king.

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By ocjim, September 26, 2007 at 12:56 pm Link to this comment

Before you pooh, pooh Ellsberg’s predictions, think about what has happened since 9/11. Also consider the apparatus that our deceitful leader has in place. It includes detention camps. It includes the power to declare martial law. It includes the power to suspend our rights. And it even includes practice maneuvers for a national emergency.

A whole population was intimidated into supporting a needless war. Those who dissented were ostrasized and browbeat into submission.

Don’t tell me it can’t happen. It is already in progress.

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