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Ahmadinejad Pooh-Poohs Nukes and War

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Posted on Sep 23, 2007
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Before leaving for New York, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told “60 Minutes” that his nation was not going to war with the U.S. and that the nuclear bomb had outlived its usefulness: “If it was useful, it would have prevented the downfall of the Soviet Union; if it was useful, it would resolved the problem the Americans have in Iraq. ... The time of the bomb is passed.”


CBS News:

SCOTT PELLEY: At the moment, our two countries may very well be walking down the road to war. How do you convince President Bush, how do you convince other nations in the West ...

AHMADINEJAD: What two parties are walking towards war?

PELLEY: Iran, the United States, Western countries. France this week ... 

AHMADINEJAD: Who says that?

PELLEY: France this week said that war might be indicated. How do you convince these Western powers that you are not pursuing a bomb?

AHMADEINEJAD: You haven’t read the latest news, I have to say. It’s wrong to think that Iran and the U.S. are walking towards war. Who says so? Why should we go to war? What reasons are there for the two countries to go to war? We have a logic which we have announced for some time now. We very much oppose the behavior of the U.S. administration. We think it’s wrong. And we are saying what we feel, and you are free to say what you feel. And people have a right to choose. Why should we go to war over that? If having said that is a part of a psychological warfare plot. The American people are well familiar with these plots. You shouldn’t make the American people afraid needlessly. There’s no war in the offing. And also I think that certain American officials do not want friendly relations between the two countries and the citizens of the two countries to visit each other. Last year we requested for a direct flight between the two countries because we want to promote trade, promote cultural activities, and also people-to-people contact. But the American government opposed that. There is no war in the offing. Again, this is psychological warfare. If you have differences of opinions, you can use logic to resolve your differences.

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By boggs, September 24, 2007 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment

Greg Andersen explained really well what is going on.
Written like an informed school teacher!
Thanks for enlightening with some facts that are obscure or often buried with U.S. propaganda.

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By Floyd53, September 24, 2007 at 11:46 am Link to this comment
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Under normal circumstances, I’d say Ahmadinejad has a point. But taking into account he’s dealing with a lunatic, a man who is a sociopath and has earned this lable many times, Ahmadinejad’s reasoning with the current understanding and use of nuclear weapons has little to do with the actual reality. Bush like Doctor Strangelove, choking himself with his own hand, disavows truth and fact with twisted thoughts and threatening lies. Suicidal, standing on the ledge, looking down on the world, what will he do next?

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By Iaukea, September 24, 2007 at 11:27 am Link to this comment

The courage of Columbia’s Dean to invite and hold a question & Answer forum for the Iranian President is a lesson Bush and his cohorts could learn.

Bush and his Government do have any credibility letf. The mainstream media (i.e. Fox, CNN, etc.) also have a serious credibility issue.

Why not invite, question and allow the “villians of George W Bush” to answer for themselves to the american Public? Unless of course, one (Bush) is afraid of what the ‘Horse’s Mouth’ [AHMADEINEJAD] is going to say, versus what the “HORSES ASS” [BUSH] has been saying all this time.

60 Minute did him (AHMADEINEJAD) a favor, gave him the questioning and airtime to speak for himself. Now…before anyone gets all worked up, when you put aside the rhetoric and all prejudices, the ‘advice’ for the upcoming ‘08 elections were resonably sound.

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By WriterOnTheStorm, September 24, 2007 at 9:58 am Link to this comment

Judging from the hysterical Ahmadinejad haters given air time on the Today show this morning, it’s clear the systematic demonization of Iran continues apace. Most of the fear mongering is coming from two corners:

The Administration, whose chief aim is to take advantage of Iran as a scapegoat for its failure in Iraq. I’m less convinced that they want to go to war in the short term, but my crystal ball sees a few well-planned air strikes sometime before the first Tuesday in November of next year, depending on the poll results. Such military action will appear well justified by then, after admin cronies have been trotted out Colin Powell-style to “testify” as to the Iran’s nuclear weapons development, and the use of Iranian bombs in Iraq.

Working foot-in-jackboot with the administration are those who view Iran as a threat to Israeli hegemony in the region. These are not only Israelis themselves and their sympathizers abroad, but the American media, who dutifully disseminate the myth that Israel is the only true democracy and only country worthy of friendship in all of the middle-east.

I’m afraid that nothing Ahmadinejad does or says, much less any of the insightful commentators on this site and others, is going to stop this Lemming march into a cold and bloody future. Despite the lessons we should have learned from the Iraq war buildup, it remains too hard to change minds, and too easy to lay blame elsewhere.

And while we are all distracted by the Iranian bogeyman, Putin is busy turning Russia into the biggest gangster-state in history. And Pakistan is just one false move from putting nukes (and a working delivery system!) into the hands of the Taliban.

Well, my coffee’s getting cold. Gotta go fry some other fish….

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By Gibbon, September 24, 2007 at 9:48 am Link to this comment

Congratulations to lodipete on his original post! I thought it was beautifully put together.

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By purplewolf, September 24, 2007 at 9:01 am Link to this comment

it is well past time to cut the umbilical cord to Israel.they are not our friend, they are a parasite upon the american taxpayers.

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By weather, September 24, 2007 at 8:41 am Link to this comment

Again the sad, firm and irrevocable truth remains;Before Israel, Islam was of little consequence to America.

Israel makes their problem our problem and does so w/precision.

May Israel flourish, just Not at the remarkably selfish and manipulating expense of everyone else.

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By Sharon Ash, September 24, 2007 at 8:19 am Link to this comment
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Ours is a country all about free speech, correct?  Why is anyone afraid to let him speak?  Could it be because it is harder to demonize, declare someone evil, so you can do awful things, when you have had to look into their face?  The neocons are adamant about bombing Iran, and they do not want to put a face on it, just a label.  Sorry to disappoint you, neocons, but I have asked for angels to surround him on his visit here to protect him from harm as well as his country.  Americans do not need any more Middle East blood on our hands.

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By Greg Andersen, September 24, 2007 at 7:27 am Link to this comment
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RE: Rowman comment #102240

Dont’ be fooled.  You should practice what you preach. The current admin. has fooled you and the vast majority of Americans.  Like his approval ratings, American “trust” and “blief” in this admin. have fallen radically. (dems. and repub. alike) Only the truly fundemental christians(I would call them radical christians) make up the 34% base that still supports bush and the current admin.

The problem with your logic is that you too are brain washed with American Propaganda.  Put down your bible just long enough to see that the US is on it’s own religious crusade and as you put it, “to see others under the Christian rule and will do everything in their power to do so”.

Most of the world sees the folly with which Americans try to “Christianize” or “liberate” the entire world.  It does not take “dems” to bring this to light.

Neither Iran or Iraq attacked the US you conservative Mental midget. But, like the rest of your party, you can find a way to blame every problem in the Universe on “dems” and “terrorists” I suppose you also blame the jews for Jesus being crucified??

Never forget you hapless moron, that when people say the USA is a great country they are not talking about our longevity.  We have been a country for just over 200 years. On the world stage that makes us toddlers or infants at best.  What they are talking about historically is our integrity, our willingness to help others, our pursuit of justice and the rule of law, our freedoms….  all of which are fading fast under the current admin.

Bush on the other hand and his dictatorial disdain for the “rule of law”, the unity of Americans, is taking away our freedoms faster than you can say the patriot act!  His secret agenda, oil, religion and corporate profit are unnoticed by you and 30% of the conservative bible thumping Americans who do not care what he does as long as he uses an American Flag or soldiers at an air base as a back drop and says “god bless America” at the end of each sentence.

The US is a great country but that is not guaranteed to last forever.  Germany has a rich history and has been a great country but, like our own clueless leader bush they got misled by leaders who plunged them headlong into two world wars.  If you do not think the US could face this very real problem than you are the one who scares me.

PS:  of the 160+ countries in the world how many are #1?  Here is a hint, if you ask a citizen of each country; you will get 160 different answers. The word “great” is relative.  Be careful “how” you wrap yourself in your own flag. 

Sincerely,

Proud to be an American, but lately embarrassed.

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By lodipete, September 24, 2007 at 7:25 am Link to this comment

The whole blog & nothing but the blog. The thoughts of Chairman Dilbert

A Feeling I’m Being Had
I was happy to hear that NYC didn’t allow Iranian President Ahmadinejad
to place a wreath at the WTC site. And I was happy that Columbia
University is rescinding the offer to let him speak. If you let a guy like
that express his views, before long the entire world will want freedom
of speech.

I hate Ahmadinejad for all the same reasons you do. For one thing, he
said he wants to “wipe Israel off the map.” Scholars tell us the correct
translation is more along the lines of wanting a change in Israel’s
government toward something more democratic, with less gerrymandering.
What an ass-muncher!

Ahmadinejad also called the holocaust a “myth.” Fuck him! A myth is
something a society uses to frame their understanding of their world, and
act accordingly. It’s not as if the world created a whole new country
because of holocaust guilt and gives it a free pass no matter what it
does. That’s Iranian crazy talk. Ahmadinejad can blow me. 

Most insulting is the fact that “myth” implies the holocaust didn’t
happen. Fuck him for saying that! He also says he won’t dispute the
historical claims of European scientists. That is obviously the opposite of
saying the holocaust didn’t happen, which I assume is his way of
confusing me. God-damned fucker. 

Furthermore, why does an Iranian guy give a speech in his own language
except for using the English word “myth”? Aren’t there any Iranian
words for saying a set of historical facts has achieved an unhealthy level
of influence on a specific set of decisions in the present? He’s just
being an asshole.

Ahmadinejad believes his role is to pave the way for the coming of the
Twelfth Imam. That’s a primitive apocalyptic belief! I thank Jesus I do
not live in a country led by a man who believes in that sort of
bullshit. Imagine how dangerous that would be, especially if that man had the
launch codes for nuclear weapons. 

The worst of the worst is that Ahmadinejad’s country is helping the
Iraqis kill American soldiers. If Iran ever invades Canada, I think we’d
agree the best course of action for the United States is to be
constructive and let things sort themselves out. Otherwise we’d be just as evil
as the Iranians. Those fuckers.

Those Iranians need to learn from the American example. In this
country, if the clear majority of the public opposes the continuation of a war, our
leaders will tell us we’re terrorist-humping idiots and do whatever they
damn well please. They might even increase our taxes to do it. That’s
called leadership.

If Ahmadinejad thinks he can be our friend by honoring our heroes and
opening a dialog, he underestimates our ability to misinterpret him.
Fucking idiot. I hate him.

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By lodipete, September 24, 2007 at 6:44 am Link to this comment

“86 by Verne Arnold on 9/24 at 3:46 am
(256 comments total)

#102280 by lodipete on 9/24 at 3:08 am
(21 comments total)

How do you define “primitive belief”?  Is it chronological, religious, philosophical, western, eastern, middle eastern? 

What about the christian apocalyptic belief, as in Revelations!  What’s the difference between your “primitive belief” and his?  So you’re preparing for the second coming?  Where does that leave everyone else?  I fear to guess.”

You and your caretaker have a nice day and don’t forget to look both ways before crossing.

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By Verne Arnold, September 24, 2007 at 5:59 am Link to this comment

#102274 by Karen Janbaz on 9/23 at 11:49 pm
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It’s to(o) bad not many American’s speak Farsi.

Yes, but what’s worse is the translations.  As you so rightly point out…so much is deleted.  But it does suit our moron in chief.  He must after all sell his war machine and find new places to use it.

Peace.

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By lodipete, September 24, 2007 at 4:25 am Link to this comment

It’s satirical. Change the names and who else fits that description?

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By Verne Arnold, September 24, 2007 at 3:46 am Link to this comment

#102280 by lodipete on 9/24 at 3:08 am
(21 comments total)

How do you define “primitive belief”?  Is it chronological, religious, philosophical, western, eastern, middle eastern? 

What about the christian apocalyptic belief, as in Revelations!  What’s the difference between your “primitive belief” and his?  So you’re preparing for the second coming?  Where does that leave everyone else?  I fear to guess.

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By dsmith, September 24, 2007 at 3:36 am Link to this comment
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Does Scott Pelley have a boner for Bush or what?

If the interview had a title it would be,“Don’t give us that bullshit about you not wanting a nuclear bomb we have American/Israeli intelligence that says you do.” (Just like the Iraqi intelligence)

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By lodipete, September 24, 2007 at 3:08 am Link to this comment

From the Dilbert Blog;
Ahmadinejad believes his role is to pave the way for the coming of the
Twelfth Imam. That’s a primitive apocalyptic belief! I thank Jesus I do
not live in a country led by a man who believes in that sort of
bullshit. Imagine how dangerous that would be, especially if that man had the
launch codes for nuclear weapons.

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By weather, September 24, 2007 at 2:18 am Link to this comment

The war to steal Oil and build a pipeline through Israel was not possible w/out the orchestration of mainstream Media which lies, deflects and distracts w/great skill.

As long as the Corporation for Public Broadcasting reports to Exxon/Mobil you’ll never see the truth.

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By Karen Janbaz, September 23, 2007 at 11:49 pm Link to this comment
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It’s to bad not many American’s speak Farsi.  In
the 60 Minute interview Ahmadinejah said in Farsi “The time of the bomb is over, it’s time now for dialog.”  The part of ...it’s time now for dialog. was edited out of the English translation. Nor does in appear in the transcipt of Ahmadinajad’s full interview. Oh well, whats talking worth when we can drop some “Shock and Awe.”

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By thomas billis, September 23, 2007 at 11:04 pm Link to this comment
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I know history ruins a good arguement.Everytime I hear the vitriol against Iran I just assume that the people who are saying it do not know that if it was not for us overthrowing a legally elected government in Iran and installing the Shah for oil purposes our relationship with Iran would be totally different.Iran has American military on its borders in Afghanistan and American military on its borders in Iraq and a President who seems intent on invading Iran.Well to protect youtr way of life and not be invading by a country that seems intent on doing so what would the US do.This is not to say that Iran is the Switzerland of the middle east.But please some perspective on the situation before we are steamrolled into another imperialistic endeavor.Do you think the moderates in Iran would have a leg to stand on if they said great news the Americans are coming to bring you the same great Democracy they have set up in Iraq.Try to get a perspective.In much of the world especially the oil producing world we are viewed as a very scary country.

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By Scott, September 23, 2007 at 10:36 pm Link to this comment

The hatred of the U.S within iran is no different 20 years ago then it is today.

Their reasons for feeling this way have remained the same too by the looks of things.

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By purplewolf, September 23, 2007 at 9:43 pm Link to this comment

HOW MANY TIMES HAS THIS SITTING IDIOT IN THE WHITE HOUSE CRIED WOLF ALREADY?

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By waxman, September 23, 2007 at 8:31 pm Link to this comment

FOR ROWMAN…..I’M SURE YOU HAVE A VERY DISTINGUSHED MILITARY CAREER AND A PhD FROM HARVARD…HOWEVER, [HE SOUNDS LIKE A DEM] IS LIKE SAYING ALL REPUBILCIANS ARE GAY…DOES THAT FIT ????

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By vet240, September 23, 2007 at 8:05 pm Link to this comment

yada-yada-yada. To quote Ron Paul and other sane players, It’s blow-back.

We, well actually mostly Republicans have played big-time in other countries business. Iran has been abused since before we put the Shah in power. The people of Iran ousted him. We (the Republicans again) decided we should use the strength of Saddam Hussein to attack Iran so se gave him lots of money, lots of arms and lots of B.S. Intelligence hoping to prove to Saddam he could win in Iran. He couldn’t and didn’t. We had convinced Saddam it would be a cake-walk. It wasn’t. Iran suffered for I think eight years fighting Saddam.

We next (again a Republican) re-seated a Dictator in Kuwait who had been filching oil from fields held by Iraq who then invaded Kuwait.

We then (Yep. another Republican) convinced the UN to put into place sanctions against our used to be friend and fellow freedom fighter Saddam of Iraq. Iraqis suffered for 10 years under those sanctions. Tens of thousands died for lack of Medical attention, lack of basic services, and lack of basic dietary needs.

Then Another Republican, seeing an opportunity (in his mind) to atone for his behavior during the Vietnam war and one-up his dad, decided to attack Iraq under the false statements of WMD, Chemical weapons, and ties to terrorists and Al-Quada. Remember the concerted message from the cabal in the White House, “We don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud”. All of which have since been proven incorrect at best or complete falsehoods at worst. Whether he and his cabal made these statements willfully or simply due to malfeaseance doesn’t matter. In my mind they should be impeached.
   
If there’s one thing you should always ask yourself when you hear that someone wants to go to war. Who is going to get the big money? Who is going to get the greater power base?

The logic that we can destroy all our enemies with-out making new ones (squared to the power of ten) is ludicrous. This argument can only be put forward by those who are mis-guided, or those who will benefit in the process.

I have been saying since 2003 that The Republicans, regardless of their motives in invading Afghanistan and iraq were proving for the last time that possessing Nuclear weapons has become passe. Any country with the will can stand up to an aggressive occupier and win. No occupier can sustain an occupation for an indefinite time-frame or in mutliple locations like we find ourselves now. Again it’s about the money stupid.

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By rowman, September 23, 2007 at 6:46 pm Link to this comment

now this is classic. for those of you to ignorant to see his play, he just leverage “American dissent” for political propoganda. He sounds like a dem wink

dont be fooled. his country wants nothing more than to see you under Islamic rule and they will do everything in their power to do so. Their hand is not so strong now but with time and the increasing division we see within the country they will advance forward. Its generational war and the American Democrats are more than willing to play along.

The hatred of the U.S within iran is no different 20 years ago then it is today. At least we took a stand when we were attacked. Problem is, most Democrats are doing a hell of a good job swinging world opinion against US. Most here are to chicken shit to stand up against this.

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