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MoveOn.org Ad Slams ‘General Betray Us’

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Posted on Sep 10, 2007
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In anticipation of Monday’s face-off between Gen. Petraeus and Congress on Iraq, MoveOn.org placed a provocative ad, to say the least, in The New York Times, asking whether the general should be dubbed “General Betray Us” and accusing him of “cooking the books for the White House.” 


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General Petraeus is a military man constantly at war with the facts.  In 2004, just before the election, he said there was “tangible progress” in Iraq and that “Iraqi leaders are stepping forward.”  And last week Petraeus, the architect of the escalation of the troops in Iraq, said, “We say we have achieved progress, and we are obviously going to do everything we can to build on that progress.”

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By Ben, September 19, 2007 at 6:26 am Link to this comment
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After reading all of the comments and hearing the anger in your voices, I have to say, you all know this to be true:  We have become an empire.  This is how an empire behaves.  We reshape countries. we enslave populations and try to convert people’s thoughts to our selfi$h idealogy.  When it’s not done with backroom deals and propping up rebels and “dictators” it’s done with military action.  Bill Richards said it well, “Iraq is not the disease.  Iraq is the symptom.  The disease is arrogance”.  It runs deep my friends.  MoveOn’s job should be to target our empire mindset that results in our empire behavior.  I do fully support their potshots and think that their values are pure and their points valid.  I think MoveOn is more ‘American’ circa 1776 than any of these flag waving, ‘support the troops’ SUV drivers!  America needs to look in their empire mirror and ask themselves if they like what they see.  Unfortunately, they do.  Welcome to Ammerika.

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By cann4ing, September 11, 2007 at 8:22 pm Link to this comment

Curious about the reality on the ground in Iraq?  See, “Exclusive Report from Baghdad: U.S. Fueling Sectarian Civil War in Anbar by Funding Former Insurgents to Fight al Qaeda” which aired on Democracy Now on Sept. 11, 2007.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/11/1424208

Incredibly, we find the U.S. arming the same Sunni militias that were previously attacking us.  In a manner eerily reminiscent of the Reagan administration’s arming of the mujahideen in Afghanistan only to later find them morphing into al Qaeda, we find U.S. officers labeling these former Sunni insurgents as “freedom fighters.”  The Sunni militias are utilizing their rapproachment with the Americans to carry out ethnic cleansing of Shia in Anbar.

Rick Rowly, the film maker who went to observe, states that Iraq has degenerated into competing enclaves of sectarian militias, and that the U.S. armed forces has been reduced to the role of acting as simply another militia.  When asked by Amy Goodman to compare how he found Iraq on this recent visit compared to the past, Rowly responded:

“It’s infinitely worse than it was the last time we were there.  I mean, the Tigris River is bloated with corpses.  The city of Baghdad is divided up into armed camps.  There are snipers who take people out as the enter and leave neighborhoods like Al-Amiriya….We heard Petraeus and Crocker say that staying is hard but leaving is worse.  I would flip that…leaving is hard, there’s going to be violence when the US leaves, but staying is infinitely worse.”

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By don knutsen, September 11, 2007 at 11:01 am Link to this comment

What happens when a general disagrees with bu$h’s desires ? They are replaced. Because bu$h listens to his generals instead of those lousy politicians, unless he dosen’t like what they have to say. Looks like general Betray-Us will get to keep his job alittle longer. I guess it dosen’t matter that more Iraqi civilians are being killed then ever ( except in Anbar province ). Why did we go over there ? I forget…something about saving the people of Iraq from their brutal dictator right ? Wasn’t that the justification we finally settled on ?

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By ender, September 11, 2007 at 10:47 am Link to this comment
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MoveOn has sent the right message at the right time.  Unfortunately, the Congressional wimps and ho’s dems included are folding faster than a $20 hooker in the front seat of Eddie Murphy’s cadillac.

These dumb f’ks are going to guarantee that even if a Dem gets elected President, it will only be for one term because they will have to face four years of Republican mud slinging whether they end the war or not, while our troops and Iraqis die, and more jihadist join the ranks of the insane everyday.

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By QuyTran, September 11, 2007 at 9:30 am Link to this comment

Bush should give him one more star so he’ll be able to kill more U.S. troops and innocent Iraqis.

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By cann4ing, September 11, 2007 at 8:29 am Link to this comment

Cyrena:  Thanks for the link to the article appearing in “The Independent UK.”  It begins by describing Baghdad as a “city divided by high concrete walls, barbed wire and checkpoints; armoured columns moving through deserted evening streets lit by the glow of searchlights and emptied by official curfew and fear,” moves on to the ethnic cleansing in predominantly Sunni and Shia neighborhoods, and the severe hazards facing any who would attempt to traverse this prison-like maze.  Certainly paints a very different picture than the one offered up by General Betray Us.

In thinking of Iraq, I had always been reminded of the words of the ancient Roman historian Tacitus:  “They create devastation and call it peace.”  However, this latest effort at spin by Betray Us and Ambassador What a Crock permits a modification of Tacitus’s astute observation.

They create chaos and call it progress.

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By lodipete, September 11, 2007 at 5:52 am Link to this comment

It’s been my opinion for a long time that repubs & dems are basically 2 sides of the same coin. The beady eyed little idiot we call Mr.President is in fact the evil front man for global capitalism. We’re in Iraq to dismantle a nation state so Dick Cheyney,Ned laMont,the Bushes & the Clintons,Bill Gates,George Soros and all their pals can make lots more money while the rest of the world’s population is reduced to serfdom in the new world order policed by Blackwater Security and managed by their technocrats. The so called Neocons want to do it by war and the MoveOn types will flood the USA & Europe with illegal aliens while prattling on about diversity and the new thought & speech controls called political correctness. I’m an old man and hopefully I’ll be gone when this human excrement finally wins out. Or maybe,I’ll get lucky and people will stay out of WalMart long enough to figure out what’s going on before the “Rollerball” league is formed.

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By farmertx, September 11, 2007 at 3:24 am Link to this comment

Re:#99651 by Sharon Ash on 9/10 at 1:39 pm
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Actually, the majority of what you see on his uniform coat are ‘I was there’ insignia, not denoting any special valor.
Sorta like the luggage sticker’s of the 40’s to let folks know one was a world traveler. Means about the same.

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By cyrena, September 11, 2007 at 12:39 am Link to this comment

I mentioned this before, but I’ll share it again. Between BetrayUS and Crocker, who are both so full of shit, all of Congress was at risk with the two of them there. One match, one spark from an errant fuse, and it would have all been over. Fertilizer bombs have created more destruction and carnage than all conventional armies combined. This bullshit from them today is no different.

Meantime, to back up a bit more of the facts that Ernest has shared with us, you can take a look at this report from the only view that matters…the Iraqis’ view.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/091007F.shtml

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By cann4ing, September 10, 2007 at 10:54 pm Link to this comment

Why should anyone believe anything an active duty general that George Bush has put in charge in Iraq has to say?  Remember how the press fawned over General Powell’s U.N. performance, remarking on how credible it was?  Only trouble, even Powell now concedes there was no truth in what he said.  He lied and his lies led to the deaths of 3800 Americans and perhaps as many as one million Iraqis.

Remember how the Pentagon made up heroic tales about Jessica Lynch after staging a phoney rescue with the cameras rolling?  Problem was, none of it was true.  Neither was the load of crap that spilled out regarding the not-so friendly fire death of Pat Tilman.  The supposed toppling of Saddam’s statute in Firdos Square—another staged event.  While carefully placed cameras captured film that suggested this was a spontaneous event, a Reuter’s aerial photo revealed that the marines had cordoned off the area as the statue was pulled down by a hand full of Chalabi’s men.  Retired Col. Sam Wilkenson estimates that there were between 50 - 60 bogus heroic tales about the war in Iraq.

News flash!  The Pentagon lies—all the time.  It practices information dominance.  Sometimes this is relatively inexpensive, as when the information officers at the Doha media center were instructed not to mention depleted uranium or when the Bush administration’s Jim Wilkinson, the same guy who led the staged Brooks Brother’s riot at the Dade County Canvasing Center in order to stop the recount during the 2000 election, was sent to Doha to act as political commissar, making sure the information officers stayed on message.  Sometimes it is quite expensive, as when the Pentagon paid millions to the company which owned the Ikonos satellite, purchasing all of its photographs after the initiation of the air campaign over Afghanistan so as to prevent the western media from acquiring photos of civilians killed by our “smart bombs.”

Our unprovoked invasion and imperial conquest of Iraq was an illegal war of aggression—something the judges at Nuremberg considered the ultimate war crime, for all other war crimes spring from it.  Our occupation is likewise illegal and certainly unwanted by the Iraqi people.  There is only one way to end an illegal occupation.  It’s not rocket science.  You end an occupation by leaving!

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By Jim Goodson, September 10, 2007 at 5:51 pm Link to this comment
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The Repubs, can dish it out, but they cannot take it. All they want to do is put someone in jail to torture them. They will not impliment the Marshal Plan for Iraq. The insurgents are ordinary people just looking for a job to support their families. As long as our troops are there, they have nothing to look forward to. I guess the Repubs. are too smart to do anthing sensible.

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By vet240, September 10, 2007 at 5:12 pm Link to this comment

This scum-bag would’nt make a pimple on Ikes ass!

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By Sharon Ash, September 10, 2007 at 2:39 pm Link to this comment
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All those medals on his chest must have leaked something into his body which ate a great big hole into his soul.  While he and a bunch of pompous air bag politicians sat around a table and fed the U.S. bullshit, 9 more of our kids were killed in Iraq.  Also, did anyone keep count of just how many times he invoked the “Iran” word.  If you have not yet seen the documentary “No End in Sight”, please do so, as it tells a lot about just how much integrity that comes out of the Pentagon.

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By cyrena, September 10, 2007 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment

#99638 by hazmaq on 9/10 at 12:51 pm

Hazmaq, (99638)

I wholeheartedly concur with your assessment on the ad (and Petraeus). And, while I know that some folks have become dissatisfied with Move.on (Jimbob 99628) I’m only dissatisfied that they haven’t been able to go further, because of all the “political correctedness”.

So, if they’ve shot themselves in the foot, that’s how. By trying to deal with a bunch of criminals with please’s and thank you’s, instead of legitimate demands for them to leave our government as well as Iraq.

This is one classic case where the adage “fight fire with fire” is more than appropriate. We’re dealing with a tyrannical gang of thugs at the highest level, who had not the slightest qualms about attacking us, (or allowing us to be attacked – wherever you are on the 9-11 reality chart) and they’ve had no qualms about using all of our blood and treasure in the pursuit of Iraq’s oil, for their own privatization.

Considering that and the multitude of other crimes perpetrated against us, as well as other populations of the planet, HOW can ANYTHING move.on or any other organization does, really be “over the top”. How much more “over the top” of those WTC towers could anything be? How much more of Mesopotamia do they have to destroy, before we could come close to such “over the top” sentiments?

No. They did good with this, and every single citizen should have one of those signs with them tomorrow in the general strike.

I’m gonna make some now.

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By hazmaq, September 10, 2007 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment

Initially I, as a pretty hard-core Lefty, thought this ad a bit over the top for Move-On.

Until I listened to the bullshit coming out of his and Crocker’s mouth.

Move-On had it dead right.  And Petraeus should be stripped of his rank for being a traitor to his troops—just for political Brownie points.

1.  He completely blew off and ignored the sole mandate for HIS surge:  political reconcilliation.

Grade:  big F#@!ing Failure -managed to chase off one third of Iraq’s Congress.

(Hey maybe we have a better assignment for him—here in D.C!)

2.  He completely blew off the Independent Review’s Report of how corrupt and out of control the Ministry of Interior is, and, how it’s mercenary trainers have managed to attract over 300,000, out of control newly trained butchering militia’s.
—As compared to his newly trained armys force of just over 150,000.  Less than the 2004 level.

Grade:  He’d be fired and shunned forever were he a CEO.

He and Crocker’s assignment?  Downplay and dissemble on Iraq.
Spread terror and speak ‘death to Iran’.

What did y’all think of Crocker’s horror stories, the cutting off of finger reminders etc..

Not quite as sensational as the infamous incubator babies, but…the Fox crowd will love it.

Oh by the way I hope our Congress, the ones who fell for the surge, watches their ‘respected General’ give an ‘exclusive’ interview to Fox.

I think Keith Olbermann would like to talk to him too?

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By JimBob, September 10, 2007 at 12:55 pm Link to this comment

I don’t think MoveOn is wrong.  I do think they shoot themselves in the foot, however.  They’re preaching to the angry converted rather than presenting a less brutally edgy message that might catch the eye of the undecideds and the uncomfortable-with-status-quo-but- not-sure-what-to-think types.  MoveOn always goes too far, IMO; I was on board with them at the beginning and find it increasingly difficult to continue.

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By farmertx, September 10, 2007 at 12:41 pm Link to this comment

Petraeus is just doing what he has to do to insure that he gets that cushy consulant job when he leaves the military. And, to be honest, he didn’t cook the books; he just read the result of cooking.
Guess the Point had best start tattooing Duty Honor Country on the Plebes’ eyeball’s and then have 1 year of what Honor really means.
Wouldn’t hurt to make sure politician’s understand those concept’s either.

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By SLYKIDO, September 10, 2007 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment
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The General has turned on his own men and women. The troops know it now, too.

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By GrammaConcept, September 10, 2007 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment

God Is (still) Love, (ALL) war is (is Always) hell…...Strive On…..Oh do….Strive On..

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By Conservative Yankee, September 10, 2007 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment
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He called the soldiers in Iraq part of the “next greatest generation” he read with his eyes down as if he didn’t know what he was reading. He led with perceived positives which can not be verified due to the “embedded” status of reporters.

I judge the man a “shill” and his report a prevarication.

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