Marshall

FYI the AF takes its orders from the Administration.
Leastways, it’s supposed to take orders from them.

Marshall,

“1) The story was printed by the military press, not an independent news organization.  Why would they report it if it was intentional?”

Good question.  But, as politician’s love to say, “intention of what?” (ok, they say, “define what `is` is”).  That is the $64,000 question.  What WAS their intention?  Right now, few know and nobody has said.  We can only speculate.  Bush spent $1.6 billion on propaganda media BS.

Was it their intention to have the story publicized?  If so, why?  Disinformation?  Intimidation?  Keep the media busy discussing this as they do something else?  We would assume they would want to keep intentional movements of nuclear ordnance under wraps.  Or, as I suggested, there was already a leak made and for damage control, they planted this story in the military press to “explain it” before too many questions started getting asked knowing that the normal wire would pick it up.

“2) The very fact that these nukes were mounted in “attack formation” would indicate to me that it was a mistake.  If they were being shipped to the ME as you suggest, I’d think they’d be loaded as cargo, not as ordnance (I corrected your spelling here).  But again, I’m no expert.”

First, nuclear weapons aren’t loaded onto a B-52 by “accident”.  Maybe in past generations, but, not today.  As for how they get to the ME, that all depends.  If they were going as stockpile, they probably do go as cargo.  I grant that the facts here are confusing when trying to determine intent.

Single planes aren’t deployed.  They deploy the entire squadron and the planes fly as one unit to their destination.  So, we know it wasn’t that the one plane was going over solo to the ME.  You also don’t ship ordnance to be dismantled on a bird in combat configuration.  The ordnance was purposefully loaded on that bird to go to Barksdale.

Anything right now is speculation, sure, no doubt.  But, the speculation right now is, rightfully, “why were the missiles loaded in combat configuration?” and “why was that plane flown to Barksdale?”... not, “was it just a mistake?”

When it comes to Bush and Cheney, smoke and mirrors rule… so, your guess is as good as mine.

#98935 by Michael Gass on 9/06 at 8:56 am

Michael - a couple of problems with your two scenarios:

1) The story was printed by the military press, not an independent news organization.  Why would they report it if it was intentional?

2) The very fact that these nukes were mounted in “attack formation” would indicate to me that it was a mistake.  If they were being shipped to the ME as you suggest, I’d think they’d be loaded as cargo, not as ordinance.  But again, I’m no expert.

#98941 by farmertx on 9/06 at 9:48 am

FYI - “The Administration” did not load the nukes on the plane, the US Air Force did.  I think you’re confusing the two.

Maybe someone stored the nukes on the non-nuke shelf.

Don’t you have to sign these things out, or something, before you load them on to a B-52?

This was a “SHOW OF FORCE” to intimadate the public. It was no accident,too many required checkpoints, unless it went thru the backdoor and was loaded on the plane thru improper channels,which is probably the real truth,they will never tell though.

After doing a lot of research about the underground/handed tactics this administration has done to America in its goal of becoming a dictatorship,I would not let anything this group of maniacs do/did surprise me. It only disgusts me that it has been allowed to continue with no thought about the consequences of their insane actions. After all I’m the Decider, I can and will do whatever I want, better go along with me or I’ll nuke you all as being against us. Famous last words like,“remember the Alamo.”

farmertx,

Conspiracy???  Hardly.  We don’t have to invoke aliens to believe that President Bush is trying to put nuclear weapons into the Middle East. 

He has already said that all options are on the table, to include nuclear strikes.  That is HARDLY a conspiracy… it is a FACT.

The question is WHY does he feel he needs nuclear weapons in the Middle East?

I wrote in my own blog one possible answer:  `The Perfect Storm; oil, nuclear weapons, and Israel`

http://p10.hostingprod.com/@motleypatriot.com/blog/

Re:#98865 by Marshall on 9/05 at 9:54 pm
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I am not one to jump at any conspriacy as being fact. But the fact is, an Airman doesn’t just decide to load some Nukes.
Expecting the leadership, for lack of a better word, of this Administration to act rationally is to be blind to all that has in fact happened during this Administration.
There was a time that it was all but a given that a B-52 had Nukes aboard. That is not the case now.
Whether the truth about this incident is ever revealed is unknown now.
Whatever the AF finally says happened will be greeted with skepticism as is every announcement made by this Administration.
That skepticism is the fault of the Administration for all its previous lies, smoke and mirrors.

Louise,

That is my guess…

But, they tell us there was no danger in this little excursion!
What if: the plane had become disabled and made a crash landing, or one of the crew would accidently bump, push or pull the wrong lever or button.

Those five nukes on that B-52 may have something to do with Iran

“Barksdale Air Force Base is being used as a jumping off point for Middle East operations. Gee, why would we want cruise missile nukes at Barksdale Air Force Base. Can’t imagine we would need to use them in Iraq. Why would we want to preposition nuclear weapons at a base conducting Middle East operations?”

“His final point was to observe that someone on the inside obviously leaked the info that the planes were carrying nukes. A B-52 landing at Barksdale is a non-event. A B-52 landing with nukes. That is something else.”

“Now maybe there is an innocent explanation for this? I can’t think of one. What is certain is that the pilots of this plane did not just make a last minute decision to strap on some nukes and take them for a joy ride. We need some tough questions and clear answers. What the hell is going on? Did someone at Barksdale try to indirectly warn the American people that the Bush Administration is staging nukes for Iran? I don’t know, but it is a question worth asking.”

http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2007/09/those-five-nukes-on-that-b-52-may-have.html

#98861 by Michael Gass on 9/05 at 9:28 pm

I’m no expert on military protocol for guarding nukes, but if this was intentional, it’s pretty hard to see the benefit to anyone.  Lost careers, internal reform, public outcry and loss of faith in military safeguards, black eyes for the military and for the US in the eyes of the world… I’ll be fascinated to see what the conspiracists come up with as an explanation that justifies all that.

To Enemy of the State,

Gee… if there were ONE check in place… yeah… I’d believe there was a screw-up.  But, there isn’t…

I’m ex-AF Explosive Ordnance Disposal.  I held a Top Secret clearance with access to CNWDI… or… Critical Nuclear Weapons Design Information.  Yeah, I trained on nukes, as well.

This was no accident.  There are way too many checks, too many places to catch a fuck-up, for this whole scenario to be one big fuck-up. 

It would never happen.  At some point in the line, it would be caught, it would be put up the chain, it would be halted.  It wasn’t.  That tells me that there was no fuck-up.

It happened… and what we got was a “leak” of… something… to give us hints of… something…

but, there was no screw up…

I hate to spoil the party, but I think the stated “local screwup” story seems far more likley than any of this conspiracy stuff. A career damaging move by a crew that probably drank a few too many beers. I think (other than the weight) the missle would look the same sans warhead, still it took at least two people to screwup. Doubtlessly, now that it is public knowledge, the punishments meted out are likley to be pretty serious.

I believe I read in another news article that SIX nuclear war heads were on the plane, so which is right? Were there six and one is missing? Or were there five all present and accounted for?

And if they are all present and accounted for, how come they need to have a nation-wide stand-down on the 14th ... two weeks after the fact?

Remember what happened the last time the Air Force had a stand-down?

So, does this mean the next 9/11 type false flag attack will be on the 15th?

Quick ... somebody check and see where Cheney is!

You don’t lose track of NUKES for 3 and 1/2 hours. Period. I really wonder what’s going on.

Well, I guess the top enlisted man will probably get the shaft.

Very funny story ! It was not accidental and only the Air Force knows.

This is not an accident.  Period.

ANY ordnance, much less NUCLEAR ordnance, are kept in secure, guarded, bunkers.  To get the ordnance, you have to be on an access list.  The ordnance is signed for.  The ordnance would have had a convoy of security to the flightline.  The crew chief and pilot would have been informed of their cargo.  etc. etc. etc.

There are too many checks in place for this to occur.

If they were simply missiles being sent to Barksdale for dismantling, why not truck them, or fly them on a cargo plane?  Why load them in combat configuration to take a trip for dismantling?

This was no accident…

This was no accident.It was a dry run for future events to come when weedboy and dicko turn America into a dictatorship. Got to keep those fear levels up on the American people,let them know how it could be if they decide to get out of hand and become unruly.

The pilot is ultimately responsible for flying with unauthorized cargo.
He should know whats on board anytine he flys as pilot in command.

He should get thirty day flight suspension and docked his flight pay.

When flying officially armed missions there are a number of people aware of what’s on the plane. What makes this troubling is the fact that weapons which were supposed to be under strict control, were in fact unaccounted for. very sloppy!

I have to wonder if the Shootist was somehow involved in this “mistake”. Or is this Shrubs’ way of reminding the world and Iran that he has these weapons?
Either way, just more more reason to get those two out of office.
As to all the B-52’s that used to fly armed, the AF knew they had nukes aboard.
Evidently, in this case, no one knew that the bombs were aboard, else they wouldn’t have been missing.

There are no accidents!
This was an intentional event staged for whatever reason. You can be sure it was supposed to impact an ideology.

I don’t know what everyone is so excited about. That used to happen all the time before they closed all of the strategic air bases. B-52’s flew “armed” out of Wurtsmouth AFB around the clock.