Two days ago a story about these chips used in animals came out on the apnews. These chips have caused canceruos tumors in lab mice and rats. They have also caused a large number of tumors in cats and dogs who are implanted.Naturally the makers of these chips claimed no knowledge of these side affects. Studies from the 1990’s by veterinary and toxicology studies reported these . “These transponders were the cause of the tumors” stated a retired toxicology pathologist,Keith Johnson from Dow Chemical Co. Midland,Michigan.

About 2000 people worldwide have been chipped so far, according to Verichip Corp. The company sees a target market of 45 million Americans for medical monitoring chips and they insist these chips are safe, as does the parent company Applied Digital Solutions,of Delray Beach.Florida.
http://www.apnews.myway.com/article/20070908/D8RHE95O2.html

RFID, like any other technology, has great potential to do good as well as bad, depending on who’s exploiting it.  I agree that our current administration has become more and more Nazi-like than any I ever thought possible in America.  But RFID isn’t necessarily a bad thing.  For example, I wouldn’t mind having an implant with my medical information, in case of an accident, or when I get too old.  Could save lives.  Safeguards would have to be put in place and laws passed restricting who can make the reader equipment, etc. There will always be law breakers and hackers. Of course, when the hackers grow up, they work for digital security companies....

Maybe there’s a way to give the user control of when it can talk to a reading device, and when it can be turned off.  You have to be within a few feet of most readers, it’s not like someone could track someone walking down a street.  You would have to walk through something like you see at store entrances.

We just have to use our lawyers, ethicists, and engineers to figure out how to make it work for us.  Or we could all just be afraid, be very afraid of technology.  Technology doesn’t spy on people, bad governments and greedy corporations do.

Is this going to be easy?  Nope.  Let’s face it though, people and machines are becoming more and more integrated, as in computing devices implanted in, or added to our bodies.

Every time the goverment comes up with the new super improved tamper proof version of anything,there are those who come up with knock-offs. We have seen it with the new money the treasury department claimed could not be counterfieted,counterfeit money hit the American business scene in less than ten days. We will see it with this “new tamper proof” identification cards. The chip system will also have it’s problems.

Re:#98081 by Skruff on 9/01 at 6:27 am
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Those were the days; running two log books, ‘cept in AZ where you had to time stamp current page at the Port.
But, while we have a ‘semblance’ of privacy even in todays’ world, it could and might get much worse, given who is in control of the various agencies.
No, the RFI devices wouldn’t help find the miner’s nor a wandering child or patient, least not as I understand the devices operational parameters.
Still, I am glad the CA Senate said no; hope that trend continues.

Our pussocrat governor sold us out....I’m never voting dem again.......

Super IDs for Arizona in works
Homeland Security wants driver’s license that serves as passport

Sean Holstege
The Arizona Republic
Aug. 25, 2007 12:00 AM

Arizona could be the first state along the Mexican border and one of the first
in the country to develop a driver’s license secure enough to be used in lieu of
a passport at a port of entry.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security announced an agreement Friday with
Arizona to use new, more-expensive, state-issued licenses as a valid ID for
entering the country.

New U.S. travel restrictions with stricter documentation requirements take
effect next year for the Western Hemisphere.




Creating tamper-proof IDs is critical in Arizona. Nearly 12 million pedestrians
and 9.5 million vehicles passed through Arizona’s six controlled international
border crossings last year.

At those ports of entry, customs agents have to review more than 8,000 valid
forms of identification.

Arizona issued nearly 1.3 million driver’s licenses last year.

Gov. Janet Napolitano’s office thinks the new license, still only a concept, may
cost $4 million to develop and could be paid for by an increase in fees.

A license now costs $10 to $25, depending on the age of the applicant. Getting a
more-secure license would be voluntary.

Job-seekers could use the new driver’s license to prove work eligibility under
the state’s tough new employer-sanctions law and to avoid prosecution under the
recently announced federal crackdown on hiring undocumented workers.

Washington and Vermont already have government approval to develop a secure
driver’s license that can be used for international travel in the Americas.

Vermont pushed for approval after a rush on passports created a backlog.

Starting Jan. 31, U.S. citizens will need a valid government-issued ID and proof
of citizenship to enter the country.

The Arizona Legislature must approve development of the new licenses, which
Homeland Security said could satisfy the requirements of the controversial Real
ID Act.

The act was written in response to a key recommendation of the 9/11 Commission,
because all but one of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers used fake identities to
travel.

By law, every state must issue tamper-proof IDs by 2010. Rules are expected by
the end of the year.

Nationally, since 2005, customs officials have seized 90,000 fraudulent
documents and stopped 60,000 people making false citizenship claims at the
borders.

Nonetheless, 16 states have passed laws opposing compliance with the Real ID
Act.

Arizona is not among them, but earlier this year, Napolitano testified in
Washington, D.C., that costs of compliance would cripple state budgets.

Many have derided California for it’s odd ball nature of looking at things.
I agree that the fact that the California Senate felt that they needed such a law is scary as hell. But one look at Shrubs’ versions of a belated 1984 shows that they had just cause.
But will Arnold sign it?
He has a fair track record of not bowing to Shrubs’ whims. Fact is, he has made a better Governor than I had thought he would.

Calling Mr. Scheer.....calling Mr. Scheer.....you’re wanted at the front desk.

re:#98046 by Outraged on 8/31 at 9:14 pm

I’m laughing out loud at your prompt for Mr. Scheer. Somehow, I don’t think he’s gonna answer.

-I- however, could certainly writea book about these experiences. I still suffer the occassional PTSD attack from it. I mean, we’re talking about a pretty life altering sort of thing, and survival is by no means guaranteed. So, I’m considering myself fortunate at this point.

Still, I think Mr. Scheer has recovered far better than I. Mine is still a daily struggle to maintain ANY lifestyle...not even dreaming about the old one.

RE:#98031 by cyrena on 8/31
“I know an entire section of corporate society that has already been thoroughly Stepfordized, and without any implants.”
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I agree.  Excellent point, propaganda works so well on some, but then there are the “others”.  Which, I believe is pure and simple BLACKMAIL, ask to many questions and you don’t work here anymore.  Lose your home, your lifestyle and everything you’ve worked so hard for.  Mr. Scheer have any input here..............

98027 by outraged,

You’re not alone, outraged. I’m an outraged conspiracy theorist too I guess. I didn’t used to be, (well, maybe not as passionately) but I mean, how much insanity do they REALLY expect us to put up with.

And, you posed the most horrific notion of the whole thing...WHY would they want to have all of this information. WHY is it required? To what end does it enhance the Human Resource part of the Corporate operation? Do the workers perform better with these chips implanted. Do they even have a clue to how totally INSANE this is?

Where’s the outrage? Well, in the more recent decade, if one posed these questions in the corporate envionment, one was likely to be brutally purged from the envionment. (bad influence on the rest of the unit). But now, they’ll just plant a chip in everybody, and so these “bad influences” (like pesky folks with all of these questions)can be kept at bay.

I know an entire section of corporate society that has already been thoroughly Stepfordized, and without any implants. They just use propaganda. I hate to think what they could do with these things.

I think this evil plan is bigger than that, of course I am one of those crazies who think big corps. and their smaller affiliates LIE, CHEAT AND STEAL.  (Hmm....reminds of someone....hmm..oh, nevermind ) I also believe some of them were affiliated with 911 and the Iraq war, among other things.  This doesn’t mean that everyone in the company is facist, but ask yourself, why would anyone, especially your employer need that much information on you.  Call me a crazy conspiracy theorist, I’m OK with that, sure lump me in with crazies like EISENHOWER!  Remember, many of the German citizens were shocked to realize what was going on, by the time they did it was too late.

I refuse to get a pet from a shelter that requires an implant.  Who’s monitoring that anyway, where are those records and who has access? It certainly isn’t common knowledge.  I think implanting pets was merely a trial run. Not that you couldn’t “screw” the system up but WHY do they want it.

Look, you can flush out people all kinds of ways.  I hope everyone"s figured out the facism which has reared it’s ugly head in this country.  However, I believe that our “brand” of facism, definitely has a racist element, a “purity” if you will. With implants they could be assured that their employees are following their mandates and philosophies 24/7.  In this way, they know you WILL do what they ask, no MATTER WHAT.  How do they know this?  Well, because you already are, even when you forget they’re watching.  That type of control IS facist, there’s just no getting around it.

Cyrena, there has been a lot of talk about these chips as the mark (of the beast) and those who do not carry the mark will not be allowed to buy or sell to people.Only people who all have this mark can and will survive. This is according to the most recent prophetic ideas about the world as it stands now and what some think it will be. They also say that these chips will have a poison in them and it can be released anytime the PTB decide to get rid of a problem. I know it sounds way out there but this was seem in the Discover channel about 2 weeks ago,all day long. Well I can’t say they are right or wrong but it certainly is creepy. I just wonder when the goverment will decide to make it mandatory for all new births, children entering school. You get the idea. This way they can keep tabs on a person 100% of the time. No more freedom, privacy, or rights.

Oh My God!!!

Just the realization that they’ve actually had to CONSIDER this, is nightmare enough for me.