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Big Brother Update With National Intel DirectorPosted on Aug 23, 2007J. Michael McConnell, the director of national intelligence, has in part explained Congress’ hurry to revise domestic surveillance law. It seems that the FISA court, established three decades ago to keep the government from abusively spying on American citizens, decided that the administration’s warrantless wiretapping program was illegal—and that just wouldn’t do.
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By Don66, August 26, 2007 at 12:05 pm Link to this comment
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While it would be nice to blame only the White House for spying on Americans, equal blame can be shared by our new majority Congress. It has been reported in the LA Times that members of the Democratic Congress admitted that they were in such a rush to recess that they approved the authorization without understanding it. This is the same bunch who approved the invasion of Iraq without reading what they approved. We should vote all the bums out and let them get a job where they need to read the instructions before they do the job.
Report thisAs long as we keep voting only by party, without understanding what the candidate really believes, this is what we’ll get. Anyone who actually believes the present crop running, with the exception of a couple, will get us out of Iraq should wake-up.
By June, August 25, 2007 at 10:07 am Link to this comment
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While I fiercely object to the government’s spying on us (we didn’t seem to approve of such things when the KGB was doing it in Russia!), on the other hand, I hope somebody up there is vetting my remarks on a daily basis. It would appear to be the only way my voice is ever going to be heard by the people I want to address!!
Report thisBy cyrena, August 24, 2007 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment
#96642 by Johnny Doughey on 8/23 at 11:02 pm
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The administration is saying that if Congree does not backdate this current law, the suits might bankrupt the phone companies. I say that if they were breaking the law, which the administration apparently believes they were, they deserve to be bankrupt.
Johnny,
You hit it real close. The “back dating” is of the utmost importance to them, for the simple purpose of covering their own legal asses. They have enough sense to know that while they might remain “above the law” as long as they ARE the law, it won’t necessarily be that way when the clock runs out on this so far 7 year episode of holding us all hostage. (presumably, that was the whole reason for hijacking our government to begin with).
So, when the FISA court made sure that it was STILL illegal for the Mob to wiretap US citizens in their own country, without a warrent, just like it was when they initiated the law 30 years ago, then White House Mob had to do something quickly, to change it, (retroactively) to cover their asses.
Same thing with the torture memos that Gonzo whipped up, back when he was still the Mob Counsel. They just make stuff legal, after they’ve been doing it for a while, knowing full well that it’s all illegal.
So yeah, it might indeed bankrupt the telecommunications companies, but I don’t see as how that would be such a bad thing. That’s the same as hitting the Mob’s billfold, and that’s not a bad thing at all. Maybe we could get some of our money back, and set-up our own telecommunications system.
Anyway, it’s not the “administration” that believes the phone companies were breaking the law, because it was the “administration” that demanded that they break the law.
It was the FISA court, (who Gonzo apparently doesn’t control) who said that they were breaking the law. And, I’m sure they know that the phone companies are breaking the law at the request of the Mob/Administration.
Report thisBy Scott, August 24, 2007 at 6:54 am Link to this comment
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, turn the telescreens the other way around and monitor the government instead.
Hardwire the government to the Internet so anyone can log on and monitor their representatatives and everything would change.
Report thisBy Johnny Doughey, August 23, 2007 at 11:02 pm Link to this comment
The administration is saying that if Congree does not backdate this current law, the suits might bankrupt the phone companies. I say that if they were breaking the law, which the administration apparently believes they were, they deserve to be bankrupt.
I can come up with valid excuses for breaking any and all laws I want. The point is, in this country, which we used to call a democracy, NOBODY is supposed to be above the law! Bush and his cronies had plenty of time (it had to have taken more than a year or two to set this stuff up) to work with Congress, but he didn’t. He just did whatever he wanted and is now threatening Congress with the destruction of phone companies if it doesn’t okay this spying.
He and Cheney did the same thing when they decided to attack Iraq. Let’s just threaten them with WMDs and after we attack, they might look some place where all the inspectors missed and maybe proce our point. The important thing is that we go ahead and worry about the results later.
WE now have, according to Iraq, about a million dead plus our own. Remember when Bush, before the war, said Sadaam had killed about 300,000 in the 24 years he was a dictator. Well, now there’s 3 times that many in only 5 years. Apparently, we’re much more efficient at killing… IMHO
Report thisBy Outraged, August 23, 2007 at 10:48 pm Link to this comment
Maybe everyone should put a camera up in their home and broadcast their lives over youtube. This way we wouldn’t have to pay for all that expensive equipment to monitor people. Everyone could see what everyone else is doing, and just how mundane most peoples lives really are. I’d probably get voted the least watched videos EVER!
Report thisBy particle61, August 23, 2007 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment
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...no scare tactics!?!...then McConnel says “The fact that we’re doing it this way means that some Americans are going to die”
What the law really allows is for the feds to look at all internet and telephone traffic and cherry pick what they want to surveil…what has been alleged in lawsuits is that the government has special rooms inside the routing centers of major phone companies where all data is reviewed using specialized software, let me say that again, all data is routed to these rooms and analyzed. To me, that sounds very much like casting a broad net and surveilling vast ammounts of private communications- see stories,
Government Spy Agency Chooses AT&T as its Primary Service Provider; and,
Phone Companies Outsource Invasion of Privacy,
these stories and many, many more are in the ‘one nation, under surveillance’ archive-
http://www.redstateupdate.net/1-nation/surveillance.html
and that doesn’t even mention the spaced based privacy invasion techniques that now are used by federal and local law enforcement, see story-
Feds Can Scan Your Face From Outer Space Without Leaving a Trace, at-
http://www.redstateupdate.net/index.html
redstateupdate.net has covered the rise of the national security state in Orange AlertAmerica since 2005 with humor and prescience, and a new gwbush comic every week…
http://www.redstateupdate.net
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and “it’s all true’
By purplewolf, August 23, 2007 at 1:34 pm Link to this comment
does anyone out there really believe that only about 100 or less spied upon are Americans? 100% sounds more like it.
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