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FBI Chief’s Notes Tell of Ashcroft Hospital Scene

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Posted on Aug 16, 2007

Corroborating an account by former Deputy Attorney General James B. Comey, FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III detailed the dramatic events that occurred in then-Attorney General John Ashcroft’s hospital room in March 2004 when his successor, Alberto Gonzales, attempted to persuade a convalescing Ashcroft to sign off on a domestic wiretapping program he opposed.  Here The New York Times provides a copy of Mueller’s (heavily redacted) notes.


The New York Times:

Mr. Mueller’s typed notes, which are undated, also reveal a series of meetings earlier and later that month between the F.B.I. director and other administration officials, including Mr. Comey, Alberto R. Gonzales, then White House Counsel and General Michael V. Hayden, then the director of the National Security Agency, which conducted the electronic monitoring program.

At one point in a meeting with Mr. Mueller, the notes show, Mr. Gonzales said that even he was “barred” from getting as much information as he wanted about the highly classified eavesdropping program, because of strict White House secrecy rules.

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By cyrena, August 19, 2007 at 11:30 am #

I swear I still don’t know if this is gonna fly, (seems like sometimes my name above the comment box is blue, and sometimes it’s sort of this grey brown, so I don’t know if that means anything.

Anyway. I think I might be back. So, we’ll call this another test. I can receive PM’s.

Glad to hear from you all. Things are really hairy huh?

I also wanted to answer the question about Ashcroft, since I’ve had the same question myself..why can’t they just ASK him?

But, from what I read on another site, (and I’ll try to find it), Ashcroft really didn’t know that much about the spy program, because the thugs had apparently kept a bunch of stuff unavailable to him. (yeah, I know...sounds just as outlandish as all the rest.)

But, I’ll see if I can find that piece, once I figure out if this is working for me again.

Meantime, here’s another article that I just came across, that I’m hoping you all will have time for.
Scary, but informative.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/242/242_color_of_law_d isobeying_bushs_unjust_laws.html

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By mackTN, August 19, 2007 at 10:04 am #

I have reported Godsend repeatedly.  I also emailed administrators.  It appears they took out lilmamzer but why not Godsend?  I don’t see him posting anywhere else, though, do you?

Perhaps in retaliation, the tricksters are reporting us, too--have you thought of that?

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By KRolson, August 19, 2007 at 4:38 am #
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Why have we not heard anything out of John Ashcroft about what went on in his hospital room? 

If he was called before Congress would he go?

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By cyrena, August 18, 2007 at 1:51 am #

It would appear that I still cannot post on this thread. Purplewolf, I’ll try to send you a PM, since I’ve not yet been able to respond (on the site) to a very important post that you made on the “R” card a couple of days ago. Matter of fact, it COULD be my attempted response to that, which has caused my blacklisting. wink (I’m still not sure, so it’s just as good an explanation as any other.)

I doubt this will get through either, but I keep trying. (some make it, but most don’t)

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By purplewolf, August 18, 2007 at 1:33 am #

I do believe that the bush bunch is watching.Several times I have tried to post and it comes up error in my comment-there was none.Opened another windowand did find comment posted thatjust claimed it couldn’t post. Go figure,Hi Cyrena, been looking for you.Hey Farmertx you joined truthdig 1 day before by birthday.Unfortunately the weed has his the same day, but he keeps changing what year he was born, one year he is younger than me then the next he is older.He can’t seem to get it right. He is such an embarrassment that I have thought about changing my birthday legally so it would not be associated with weed.It just ruins the whole day for me.

These guys must have been really been worried that Ashcroft might have said something “TRUTHFUL” while under say maybe pain medication and they needed to CYA( cover their asses) or their whole house of cards might come down. Otherwise why all the in-your-face tactics to a post-op patient.

And whatever happened to the “transparency” that the weed claimed he was going to do in goverment earlier this year? Does he mean transparent as in clear or see thru or transparent as in invisible, which seems to be the norm for this bunch. Keep it hidden and secret. As in the X-files “Trust No One”.

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By farmertx, August 17, 2007 at 11:11 am #

I emailed TD’s webmaster and editor, asking what is up? Naturally, no response.
Meanwhile Godsend is running rampant on another thread. If anyone needed to be blanked out, that would be the first pick.
Haven’t heard back from Cyrena yet either. She said she would take some time off and see what happens.
Meanwhile, I noticed that no new threads have come on line either.

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By mackTN, August 17, 2007 at 10:06 am #

It only takes a few to ruin a forum for everyone--and destroy a good website.  I’m thinking of two posters in particular who posted excessively about satan and devil snouts. 

I’d just be patient and let them moderate as best they can. Truthdig’s an excellent outlet featuring news that the traditional media ignores, buries, and never follows up on.  And it has some excellent reporters.  Did you read Inside the Data Mine?  Incredible level of information in that section. 

If we lose a few posts while they purge their site of scam artists, I think in the long run it’s worth the sacrifice.  As for other blogs, I bet those two will find them as well and try to bring them down, too.

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By kevin99999, August 17, 2007 at 9:06 am #
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These are actions of a government being transformed, brick by brick, into a fascist regime calling itself a democracy.

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By farmertx, August 17, 2007 at 3:40 am #

macktn
If truthdig is censoring, it wouldn’t be Cyrena that they’d censor.
Never has she been as off the wall as some who have posted here.
I’d think more along the line of a bug/hacker.
One comment of hers, responding to my comment was posted.
She sent a PM stating that she was concerned and not sure who to blame.
Sorta like I know I’m paranoid, but am I paranoid enough?
Hopefully, this willall straighten out and be explained by Truthdig. Otherwise, there are other blogs.

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By mackTN, August 16, 2007 at 10:13 pm #

farmertx--I hope Truthdig is doing some moderating, finally.  I don’t want to read anymore articles about the devil’s snouts, etc.  Clearly a couple of posters were intent on ruining Truthdig for everyone--a deliberate act of trashing a good website.

I agree--I’ve always enjoyed Cyrena’s posts, too.  I think they want us to stay on topic.

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By mackTN, August 16, 2007 at 10:07 pm #

The White House hasn’t been this machiavellian since the Nixon days, and I believe the Bush White House exceeds that intrigue greatly.  That Mueller had to black out most of his notes says a great deal...and his account ominously ends with a meeting called by Cheney. 

If anyone saw the Bourne Ultimatum, you observed data mining in action.  When the reporter mentioned Blackbriar over his cell phone, it triggered a surveillance program that almost instantly identified the caller and allowed CIA to listen to the phone call, tap his phones, go through all his voice and email messages.  And people think this is simply fiction, futuristic. 

I never liked Ashcroft, but I commend him for sticking to his guns re concern over the legality of this program and as sick as he was.  I can’t believe they went to his hospital room and tried to bully a post-operative patient.  Given the rapid succession of meetings afterwards with all the top players, the domestic surveillance program is obviously of the utmost importance to these guys.  And they don’t want to talk about it.

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By Enemy of State, August 16, 2007 at 8:32 pm #

Thx farmertx, I was wondering if something was going weird with my system, since most of Cyrena’s comments are blank. My first guess would be some sortof bug in the truthdig software, malicious hacking would be the second possibility. Our sponsors server doesn’t appear to be very good -often it doesn’t load, they probably need some sort of upgrade.

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By farmertx, August 16, 2007 at 8:10 pm #

Cyrena
Big Hacker is watching. Ain’t worried about Big Brother or we’d all had knocks on the door by now.
Still.
You and Doug both make interesting and intelligent posts, as others do as well, with a couple of exceptions. And those two know who they are.
Hope Truthdig can get to the bottom of this and prevent a recurrence.
Good Luck.

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By cyrena, August 16, 2007 at 7:47 pm #

#95571 by farmertx on 8/16 at 7:30 pm
(214 comments total)

#95549 by cyrena on 8/16 at 7:23 pm
(854 comments total)

Not real sure I understood what you mean on this one.

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Well Farmertx,

I’m not sure you’re gonna get this one either, because it’s a very mysterious thing. The reason nothing is there, (which is why you didn’t understand it) is because nearly all of my posts have been deleted!!

Yes, something is up. I wasn’t aware of it until Douglas sent me a private message. Most of his stuff is gone as well.

Kinda creepy, eh?

So, we’ll give this a test run, and see if they let it go through. I’m honestly not sure what’s up, but it’s a semi-concern.

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By farmertx, August 16, 2007 at 7:30 pm #

#95549 by cyrena on 8/16 at 7:23 pm
(854 comments total)

Not real sure I understood what you mean on this one.
smile

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By Don Warden, August 16, 2007 at 6:33 pm #
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This whole domestic wiretapping and spying on Americans should outrage us all. But when push came to shove, where were our Lilliputians in congress? The only way we can remain a free people is to throw every stinking politician in Washington out, and continue to do so every election until they come to realize that they must represent us, the people who elected them.

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By cyrena, August 16, 2007 at 5:23 pm #

The people who have an inkling of the truth are so dedicated to the Shrubs’ brand of neo-conservatism that they will never talk openly.
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Maybe so, Farmertx.

I’m inclined to believe that it is so deeply sinister and putrid that any talk is the same as suicide. It’s been a selling of their souls to the devil.

He knows how unethical this all is. That’s why we don’t get to see the notes of the meeting where ALL of them were ready to resign, because they knew how much of a slam this would be to the principles of the Constitution. If nothing else, they knew THEY could be prosecuted.

Remember, Nixon’s guys did some time.

So, it’s not over.

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By farmertx, August 16, 2007 at 5:08 pm #

Misplaced loyalty can be a killer, no doubt.
It must have been situations like this that caused Der Karl to start issuing instructions to the Brown One on how to rule, once the Brown One was appointed AG.
We will never know what Presidential Findings the Shrub has signed and what they have done.
We sure won’t find out at Shrubs’ library.
How any responsible Presidential scholar can expect to find any semblance of the truth in what paper’s are opened to researchers is a mystery.
The people who have an inkling of the truth are so dedicated to the Shrubs’ brand of neo-conservatism that they will never talk openly.

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By cyrena, August 16, 2007 at 4:54 pm #

And even NOW, Mueller is still “reluctant” to tell the full tale.

It would appear that they had to pry this out of him. What must be the prize for this kind of loyalty?

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By warbad, August 16, 2007 at 4:54 pm #
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Can’t anyone ask Ashcroft what happened? Where did he go? Isn’t he the obvious person to ask?

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By Mike, August 16, 2007 at 3:24 pm #
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Rumsfeld ???

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