#95045 by VietnamVet on 8/15 at 5:34 am
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RE: Elder Earl on 8/15 at 5:21 am

Trying to use big words to emphasize small ideas does not improve your posts either. Again, quit while you are ahead!

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It is the little thing that will add up in time.  I think a quote is needed that and unknown author.

“A wise man can see more from the bottom of a well than a fool can from a mountain top.”

RE: Elder Earl on 8/15 at 5:21 am

Trying to use big words to emphasize small ideas does not improve your posts either. Again, quit while you are ahead!

Hey, cyrena, I like being in a cold remote place…thanks.  but tell me is that before the destruction of the liberal mind set that promotes this blog…

We are all ready preparing our B-bombers to hold block buster bombs.  What do you think they are going to do with the block buster bomb play tittle-lee-winks.

#95038 by Elder Earl on 8/15 at 5:08 am
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#95030 by VietnamVet on 8/15 at 4:38 am
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RE:  Elder Earl on 8/15 at 4:21 am

Why don’t you quit while you are ahead? Every post you do gets worse. You should be given a medal for your success in avoiding the issues and making asinine statements. If you want to address someone’s post, address WHAT they posted, not bring up another unrelated issue!
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It is to the issue, we are losing a good staff member.  Yet, the profane ideas caused by speculation created by supposition are over mounting in this blog.  Bush and Rove are friends.  Rove wants life after the administration leaves office.  He like many others of different administrations have done the same thing.  Yet, people seem to be brain wasted to believe the liberal reports of a media who are writing for profit.  Remember News sells for a good price in any country.

#95030 by VietnamVet on 8/15 at 4:38 am
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RE:  Elder Earl on 8/15 at 4:21 am

Why don’t you quit while you are ahead? Every post you do gets worse. You should be given a medal for your success in avoiding the issues and making asinine statements. If you want to address someone’s post, address WHAT they posted, not bring up another unrelated issue!
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It is to the issue, we are looseing a good staff member.  Yet, the profane ideas cause by plan spiculation

#95028 by Elder Earl on 8/15 at 4:21 am
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Oh, hell Doug let’s nuke them all then we can have world economic dominance.  As for the world cry babies and liberal blooding hearts, we can send them to a remote place in Africa where they can do social work.
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Actually Elder,
This is exactly what we were thinking of doing with YOU, though I doubt you’d be welcome in Africa. I was thinking maybe the middle of the Arctic.

Then we wouldn’t have to nuke anybody, and you’d be in a place where you couldn’t cause harm to living things.

RE:  Elder Earl on 8/15 at 4:21 am

Why don’t you quit while you are ahead? Every post you do gets worse. You should be given a medal for your success in avoiding the issues and making asinine statements. If you want to address someone’s post, address WHAT they posted, not bring up another unrelated issue!

Oh, hell Doug let’s nuke them all then we can have world economic dominance.  As for the world cry babies and liberal blooding hearts, we can send them to a remote place in Africa where they can do social work.

#94988 by Elder Earl on 8/14 at 9:30 pm: “...Below is a reality check….”

Quote Washington Post: “The decision follows congressional pressure on the administration to toughen its stance against Tehran…...”

Oh, groan, do try to get your “reality check” right, EE.  In the article you linked, for “congress” read Liebermann….....

It is hardly time to move or act in Pakistan never mind Iran. If the USA has mucked things up in “eye-rak”, they will certainly make an even worse disaster by taking on “eye-ran”. For a start, it has about three times the population. Saddam never defeated them before even with weapons covertly supplied by the USA.

Why do you think that killing more people is going to solve your personal psychological problems? Better have yourself admitted to the nearest hospital for a few days or weeks, eh? Your medication doesn’t seem to be working….......

Obstructing the War on Iran: “.....we are now in August and war did not start. Did the Bush administration cancel its war plans after all the aggressive war-mongering rhetoric and threats, and after spending millions of Dollars sending American nuclear aircraft carriers with their battle groups to the gulf? Did Cheney’s fiery threats and promises to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities lose their flames? Or maybe Israel and its AIPAC had stopped pressuring the Administration to hit Iran’s nuclear facilities ...........

Cheney keeps urging Bush to directly confront Iran by launching air strikes against alleged Iranian terrorist training camps. Despite Afghan President, Hamid Karzai’s declaration during his interview on CNN Sunday August 8th that “So far, Iran has been a helper (in the fight against terrorism)”, President Bush keeps threatening Iran of consequences of “… transporting, delivering EFPs (explosively formed penetrators), highly sophisticated IEDs (improvised explosive devices) that kill Americans in Iraq”. Bush ignores the fact that the British Independent had revealed on March 5th 2006 that these alleged Iranian explosive devices were initially created by the British Security Services in the early 1990s, and that when the military provided reporters with pictures of theses explosives they had names, specifications and manufacturing dates in English not in Farsi…..” http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18175.htm - also see http://www.ichblog.eu/index.php

Below is a reality check.  It is time to move and action is The Presidents reply.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/14/AR2007081401662_pf.html

#94859 by Ronald H. Rodriguez on 8/14 at 10:52 am: “...The Bush cabal has divided this country and and has, at every misguided step, caused so many lost lives, American and Iraqi, left Iraq in ruins, and has left us with the feeling that lies are acceptable for this administration. ........It is Bush and his grimy cohorts who have instilled pessimism in the electorate. The division, the pessimism, is their own doing….”

Bush himself seems quite happy. No sweat, eh?

I’ve seen this happen in various places where turmoil is created among the citizens by their administration. There are objections, even demonstrations - and the government ignores them. It has been happening for more than a decade where those demonstrations and complaints now would have once brought down governments in the (democratic) past.

Thus, the leaders are happy but the people suffer and a wave of depression and other psychic diseases are unleashed in the community. People then become weak as well as fearful. For them, nothing works and, except for money and sex, all seems futile. They are in the trap!

You still have a choice, though. You can be happy - as a slave. Just accept the people you voted into power as your masters! Its a path into darkness. Ask the Iraqis.

But, that is merely the choice they offer you. Instead, choose your own alternative. Be happy by being FREE from whatever binds you. Its a struggle at first but you do eventually come out into the Light.

#94823 by Elder Earl on 8/14 at 7:59 am
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I have seen people who are pessimistic but you guys take it to a new level.  Why must reasoning be deluded by fear and opposition around every turn.
Most of the messager in this blog carry dark an gloomy days.
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What a paradox that you would come up with this, Elder.

Here’s the thing. The readers and posters of and to this political news web site are generally focused on reality. That would be the FACTS of our collective experiences as citizens of the world and the U.S.

Now, if “reasoning” seems impeded by “fear” there is a reason for that. It’s a reaction to the very deliberately manufactured CAMPAIGN, (sometimes subtle, and sometimes very blatant) that these monsters have devised (in the past 7 years) to INSTILL that fear in the populace.

So, on the one level, we have a population that is afraid of it’s own shadow, jumping out of it’s skin at every turn where they expect a terrorist/boogeyman to jump out at them. Because….that’s the way it’s been set-up. If the monsters (like Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, George the Shrub, et al) can maintain this perpetual fear of a invisible boogeyman, poised to strike at any moment, then they can maintain a psychological control over a populace too easy to go along with anything that allegedly provides for our “protection and security” against these invisible hoodlums.

On another level, (or maybe even the same level) we have a large portion of that SAME population, who is provided a constant “antidote” to that fear, via the media, and the mass marketing of fairy tale nonsense for “the people” to grab as a “solution” for all of these created fears. So, they watch Oprah, and they read the Bible, and they indulge in the likes of fairy tales where the prince comes along on the white horse, and sweeps them away and they ride off into the sunset, (or a resort in Jamaica) . And, if they can’t afford that, then Oprah has a good book/video for them, that will teach them how they can just “think” that they’re in that resort, even if in the REAL world, they can’t even pay their water bill or flush their toilets.

Meantime, the folks in New Orleans and the rest of our OWN Gulf coast, didn’t “imagine” Katrina or the devastation that it wrecked, and their continuing misery two years later isn’t imaginary either. It is all very real. And, if you can find something in all of that which is NOT dark and gloomy, than maybe you could convince some of them of that.

And, if it works on them, then maybe you can sell that same story to the millions of people who work 80 plus hours a week, (at three different jobs) and still have to live in their cars. And when you come across some middle aged parents gripping and complaining that one of their kids has cancer, (but of course they have no medical insurance to deal with that) and their parents have Alzheimer’s, (but they can’t be in 4 places at the same time to look after them all, and then there’s that lack of money again) maybe you can tell THEM, that they’ve just taken this “dark and gloomy” stuff to a new level.

We’ll talk more about the “opposition” in the next post. But, as a pre-cursor, you can prepare by studying the definition of “opposition” as it applies in this context. The “opposition” are those parts of the population who have said NO! No, we aren’t just gonna go watch cartoons, or play house, while you kill us off. No, we are NOT gonna follow you right off of the cliff, or jump off of any one of these bridges, just because you tell us to. And NO, we will not remain stupid, uninformed, and in the dark, simply because it is the best way for the evil to control us.

Did Rove teach Shrub to smile and wave like that for photo ops. Both have that same sh****ting grin and hand wave. I can’t imagine there is anyone to wave at unless it the same goofy “perhaps paid” supporter for both of them.

Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD

If you are more disappointed with the democrats, who have not been able to pass anything because of the republicans opposition, than Bush or Rove, then I just wonder what type of media PhD’s read or listen to? I, too, am disappointed in the democrats inability to get by the 60 votes needed to get anything into law, but it sure as hell hasn’t blinded me as to what Bush and Rove, and company, have heaped on this great nation! And, the democrats would have to get SIGNIFICANTLY worse for me to be pessimistic of what they have tried to do. By the way, I see you qualified your comment about 50% of the people “probably” like Rove. Again, where do you get that from? A poll, op-ed, other media? If so, show it as a link or a reliable source. Over 60% of the people disapprove with where Bush has led this nation, and I see no polls, comments, or whatever, that says: Yes, but we really like Rove! Since Rove is considered the architect of Bush’s career and what he has done, by implication, that negative rating probably applies to Rove as well. Negative comments about this dude abound all over the internet and many other news sources as well. About the only lukewarm comments you see/hear are on media such as Fox news, not a highly, non-partisan, source for accuracy!

Actually, Ronald #94859, as a non-neoconservative, I’m considerably more pessimistic about the democrats who sold us out with their inability or refusal to honor voters’ wishes than I am with Bush and Rove and I am therefore, totally ambivalent about who wins the upcoming election.  I think Rove should run, actually.  You do realize, of course, that probably half the people in this country like him, which should tell you and other people who dismiss him that maybe he’s not all that bad.  He’s a politician, and a pretty good one at that, like Johnson and Clinton.

I have seen people who are pessimistic but you guys take it to a new level.  Why must reasoning be deluded by fear and opposition around every turn.
Most of the messager in this blog carry dark an gloomy days. 

Rove said, ” “He expected Mr Bush’s current poor ratings to improve, and that conditions in Iraq would get better as the military surge continued.

A Republican had a good chance of winning the 2008 presidential election, he said, because Democrats would choose the “fatally flawed” Hillary Clinton as their candidate.”

#94720 by dpad on 8/13 at 7:53 pm
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Back to his roots…caging scores of minority voters and maximizing the hate vote.
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Few words…HUGE point!!  YES!!!

#94759 by Douglas Chalmers

•  It is the USA which is home to sexism at least as much as any country in the world and it is still a struggle for women to maintain equality when contending with the rule of a psychologically immature bunch of males. In spite of them, Condi is most probably more inclined to a diplomatic solution and is prepared to work for it and wait for the results.

Well, you’re preaching to the choir here, seeing as how I’ve certainly lived that struggle, and continue to do so. But I agree. If we compare Condi to her counterparts in the administration, she probably is more effective than anyone else, and I’m sure that most other governments on the globe would rather deal with her than the other choices.

•  She has had to pay that price to continue to be there on the scene - we know this.
Yes, this is true as well, and I do know that. I’m not judging on that end. I know what’s required. Again, at the end of the day, (and maybe EVERY day) we have to constantly juggle that balance. At what point do we ENTIRELY sell out? When have we stayed too long? That’s the point of no return. And, I’m not saying that it isn’t sometimes required that we sell our souls to the devil. But, it’s a decision that must be made knowing that one can never buy it back completely. One has to wonder if it has been “personally” worth it to her, because none of the rest of us have benefited from anything she’s done.
•  As far as gender is concerned, agains Condi has had to struggle with the Texan white-supremacist mindset and has been outnumbered if not outclassed for all of her years at the White House.

On this, NOBODY knows it better than I. Trust me. I spent 17 years in that Godforsaken place. Sad thing is, while she’s been outnumbered, she probably has NOT been “outclassed”. It may seem that way, because of the old boys’ strong oil cabal/clan. But for the most part, they may have the money, but not the “class”. So, she outclasses them and is smarter than everybody but Cheney.

•  For all we know, only looking at things from the outside, her presence there could have actually been the only thing stopping a pre-emptive nuclear strike already.

Now, you definitely may have a point on this, stopping a pre-emptive nuclear strike on Iran, which Cheney has had in the works for ages. Cheney is not to be stopped. Besides, she doomed herself on this end, by indulging in all of the saber rattling and threats to Iran, which sounded like a broken record of her run-up to the mushroom cloud of Iraq.

But again, (and this is the same thing that Powell did to himself) once they BOTH KNEW, that they were lying through their teeth, that doomed them. And yes, I know the political career decisions that one has to make in these circumstances.  But, when they attempted to use Powell at the gate, to push the invasion and occupation, I have on extremely good authority that he read the stuff they wanted him to shove, and responded with, NO! This is BULLSHIT! I’m not reading this. He even threatened to quit. For a minute.

And then, he went through with it, and told all of those lies to the UN Security Council, even after saying he wouldn’t. Condi was no better with her pronouncements of mushroom clouds emanating from Bagdad, because it was a lie, and if she didn’t know it, she certainly should have. And, people remember.

So, at least among the everyday people who actually DO pay attention, even if we don’t hear from them, (since these guys don’t trust experts)I think I can say that history will NOT be any kinder to her than it will to the rest of the Mob. She may not care. And, that’s OK too. But, she should be under no illusions that she’s keeping up the façade for anyone other than herself.

And, considering that healthy Chevron lifetime “allowance” of hers, it’s hard to figure out why she would. But, different boats for different floats I suppose.

#94735 by waxman on 8/13 at 8:54 pm: “...BUSH MAY REPLACE ROVE WITH SEAN HANNITY BECAUSE HANNITY SEZ HIS BRAIN IS BIGGER…..”

Oh, size counts….???

#94704 by Ronald on 8/13 at 6:49 pm: “...Condeleeza Rice has exactly zip, zilch, nada, for influence in the international world of politics. ........Rice is simply a mouthpiece, a puppet, a shill, if you will, for the Bush cabal….”

You are not a political blog commentator but merely a sexist, Ronald. Possibly a wanker , too, but certainly a mouthpiece, a puppet, a shill, if you will - of whatever disgusting agenda has propelled you here.

#94731 by cyrena on 8/13 at 8:41 pm: “...Ronald, I didn’t re-copy the part of your post that was right on the money, regarding the uselessness of Condi Rice in the job that she holds. .......I DO however, have to take extreme exception with your very BROAD generalizations about the mentality of leaders as well as the attitude toward women by the male population of these Middle Eastern and other countries…......

Prior to the invasion and destruction of Iraq, including it’s human infrastructure was a highly skilled and professional one, and it included many females. .....There are women in the Iraqi Parliament.
It was in fact, as close to secular as any of the ME nations could be considered. .....Iran as well, has always had an active women’s movement….....

So, while I agree that Condi is totally ineffective in dealing with the male leadership in many of these places, it’s not because they have no regard for women in general ........she is basically only there to do the bidding of the Cabal, which is the bidding of Israel, there can be little to expect from any of the other leaders in that region. ..........So, I’ll end with saying again, that I think they would be more than polite, but willing to actually engage in the issues with any professional female representative of the U.S…”————————————>>>

Ha ha, cyrena, I seem to have upset you again about Condaleeza Rice. 

Just looking at what you and Ronald have said, though, this still seems to go back to what I said earlier. The real problem is the White House/GOP’s policies and attitudes generally (as we all know). But that plays out significantly in how Condi does her job - or appears to.

Of course, it appears that she is treated as being of little consequence in the M.East if all of her negotiations are undermined by the boys at home. Bush and Cheney are thus her worst enemies in a professional sense. Its their intrinsic misogynist attitudes which undermine her effectiveness.

At home, she has to just play along but I don’t think that she is really putting up with it when on a mission. In fact, she is most probably much more highly regarded in overseas political circes that at the White House, if you can see what I mean.

As you say, these people in the M.East are not the fools the US Neocon regime likes to make them out to be. They have had 1,000’s of years of history and culture and are far more sophisticated than the relatively naive and shallow Americans like to imagine.

It is the USA which is home to sexism at least as much as any country in the world and it is still a struggle for women to maintain equality when contending with the rule of a psychologically immature bunch of males. In spite of them, Condi is most probably more inclined to a diplomatic solution and is prepared to work for it and wait for the results.

It might seem like she’s been a “disgrace to her race as well as her gender” but not really so. As an African-American, she has been very successful but, of course, she has also failed in the same way as Colin Powell did - as a pawn of the regime. She has had to pay that price to continue to be there on the scene - we know this.

As far as gender is concerned, agains Condi has had to struggle with the Texan white-supremacist mindset and has been outnumbered if not outclassed for all of her years at the White House. At least she has not given in and she most probably has far more real friends professionallly in every other country in the world except the USA.

When she “threatened to beat Maliki’s brains out”, you can probably imagine that she would have been “pissed” as well about the administration’s intransigent policies. Flexibility is an essential diplomatic asset as well as a core female value. For all we know, only looking at things from the outside, her presence there could have actually been the only thing stopping a pre-emptive nuclear strike already.

#94673 by Kim on 8/13 at 4:30 pm
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You know that stuff about spending time with his family is another big fat lie.  He’s working on his 100 years of republican rule by leaving the white house to go full time for the Romney campaign.  The RNC gave Romney big money early on and now Rove is resigning after Romney won (bought) the Iowa straw poll.  Coincidence? I think not!  Romney is the new Bush, God help us all!

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Kim, you just might have something here. I sure hadn’t thought of it, because maybe I’m stuck on what I’ve always thought to be long ago made “escape plans”.

Now, that’s just me, and I think a few others might have considered it as well. And, that’s only because I’ve always believed theirs to be an entirely different agenda than the one they tell us about.

So, since he’s up their in the Kennebunkport compound with all of the other insiders, my guess has always been that they’ve all got escape plans for the end of the term, now discovering that so many of the laws they’ve violated for so long, are being exposed, just because they’ve not been able to contain it all, once there was one open hole, where it could start to unravel. Which it already has. He defied a congressional supoena just two weeks ago, after flippin’ them off dozens of times, and playing his normal games.

But by now, they’ve actually got the goods on Rove, (and all of the others) and HE knows it. The rest of them do as well. The dems in the Congress who have been diligently working on this and related lies and issues, aren’t planning to just drop this, and I think he knows that too.

In short, Karl may be ready to skip, just like that guy Jacob Alexander, one of the many ex-CEOs (Converse)who were indicted and convicted for fraud in options scam, (same thing as the Enron gang).

And, he just split, and has been declared a fugitive by the Justice Dept, but they aren’t trying to catch him. He bought like this multimillion dollar spread in Namibia, and has spent all of his time trying to fight extradition back to the US, by basically BUYING the handful of leaders of this mostly poor area. He’s even forced changes in the judiciary, to get rid of anybody that might not cooperate with his plan.

So, because they’ve always operated so much like the Mafia, and consistently, that’s been my first thought on this particular resignation. I think the heat is turned up.

Sill, that doesn’t leave out the possibility of him jumping on Roms campaign. But, he did say he was going to “hibernate”, and to me that means he’s already laying the framework for why nobody gonna be able to find him. Establishing his cover.

And yep, I’m sure the shrub DOES have plans to meet up with him, once he’s finished up himself. And, that too, could happen sooner than they think.

The picture of Karl Rove rap dancing.  This is during a war.  Didn’t he get a standing ovation from the press club when he was done.  It’s as if they don’t care about the lives that have been harmed.

Any of these guys serious?  They should have been SHAMED for the way they were acting.  It is like….“We are cool duds and we can do anything we want with no consequences.  Na, na, na…..”

So where is the outrage?  You press corps people.  Do you guys even know what is going on?  Do you have no spine to stand up and shout how sick they act while others fight a war of this administration’s choosing?

BUSH MAY REPLACE ROVE WITH SEAN HANNITY BECAUSE HANNITY SEZ HIS BRAIN IS BIGGER..

#94704 by Ronald on 8/13 at 6:49 pm

•  No woman, not Rice, not Madelein Albright, could be effective in countries where women are not respected, not heard from, and ignored by the male population and certainly the rulers of the middle-East and many other countries.

Ronald,
I didn’t re-copy the part of your post that was right on the money, regarding the uselessness of Condi Rice in the job that she holds. She is in fact nothing more than a shill for the Cabal, and there’s never been any denying it. She’s been a disgrace to her race as well as her gender.

I DO however, have to take extreme exception with your very BROAD generalizations about the mentality of leaders as well as the attitude toward women by the male population of these Middle Eastern and other countries.

Because, it’s simply not the case. Prior to the invasion and destruction of Iraq, including it’s human infrastructure was a highly skilled and professional one, and it included many females. MANY. Many doctors, lawyers, academics, union leaders, teachers, and government council leaders. There are women in the Iraqi Parliament.
It was in fact, as close to secular as any of the ME nations could be considered. And, it is no different, in the other class levels either.

Iran as well, has always had an active women’s movement, because they’ve always been a politically active population. No doubt there are the religious mullahs in charge, and there is always an academic argument about whether or not Iran is an Islamic state, since the government structure, (including women in positions such as judges) is more highly and efficiently organized than our own allegedly secular one.

Be that as it may, my point is that not ALL –in fact not most- of the women of these countries are largely ignored by the male populations. And, in those regimes that are overwhelmingly authoritarian and repressive of women, (such as Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan) there are still those women who put themselves in danger to speak out and against that.

So, just for the record, this is not an accurate depiction at all, of the modern women of the Middle East. It’s more like a very chauvinistic stereotype left over from the haram days or whatever. But it is highly inaccurate.

So, while I agree that Condi is totally ineffective in dealing with the male leadership in many of these places, it’s not because they have no regard for women in general, but just because it’s HER. She has NO diplomatic skills, and she has no message that leader there wants to hear, other than the ones in Israel, and they probably don’t like her either. But, since she is basically only there to do the bidding of the Cabal, which is the bidding of Israel, there can be little to expect from any of the other leaders in that region. And, when she threatened to beat Maliki’s brains out, you can probably imagine that you would have been pissed as well.

Here again, I’m not suggesting that the Middle East is a bastion of liberty and democracy, and that there are not pockets of this extremist mentality, that reverts to old suspicious claims of religion to sanction what is nothing more than domestic abuse. But, I’d be hard pressed to say that it happens any more prevalently in those countries, than it does right here at home. Especially since the radical religious right has taken over the government here. Of course Iraq has fallen to that, because the overthrow of Saddam with no replacement, has allowed room for those with a religious agenda.

•  Of course the leaders are polite to them but that is about all that a female representative can expect in those countries.

So, I’ll end with saying again, that I think they would be more than polite, but willing to actually engage in the issues with any professional female representative of the U.S., if she was a genuine professional stateswoman. Condi isn’t. Never will be. So, all she can EVER do, is just piss all of them off.

He, his evil boss and the rest of the crime family will surely rot in the eternal pits of hell for what they’ve done to this country.

Please watch this video:

When asked by Barbara Walters on the night of September 11, 2001 if the 9/11
attacks were carried out by forces within the U.S., 2008 ... all » presidential
candidate and then senate intelligence committee member John Edwards becomes
evasive and refuses to answer the question, after having spoken to CIA director
George Tenet earlier that day.  «
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-886644060632694627&q=edwards+9/11+wal
ters&total=23&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Along with the vast majority of us here I take solace in the departure of this bastard, and of course eagerly await the impending pinkslip of Gonzo, and one would expect a rising possibility that Condy Rice may walk away as well. I am tempering it only due to the fact that for all the bruhaha about this ‘architect’ we keep in mind that he was the mastermind behind a bloodbath that has cost 3700 American lives and over 20,000 injured. As he leaves, there is no mention of their deaths in the news reports-because to this ‘architect’ all their deaths ever amounted to was a means to an end that evades definition even now. Does anyone think Bush and Cheney planned this massacre on their own? Farewell, Karl Rove, liar, murderer, neo-fascist. You have served your masters well.

Back to his roots…caging scores of minority voters and maximizing the hate vote.

“... please don’t make the mistake of believing Roves leaving will change anything!”
“It’s who IS NOT leaving that counts!”

14 SIGNS OF FASCISM
http://www.yikers.com/video_14_signs_of_fascism.html

“KEEP THE PRESSURE UP!
Email, phone, FAX ...
IMPEACH
IMPEACH”

I HEARD FROM AN UNNAMED SOURCE THAT RUDY WAS SPOTTED WITH ROVE BUYING A ECONOMY SIZE JAR OF KY JELLY…. WHATS THAT ALL ABOUT ????

I wonder if rove will imbue, impart his form of ethics, morality on his family, or did he just reserve it for the rest of the US, and when bush says he’ll be following you down that path, did he mean hell, non of these people are Christians, they may be born again, but then most born again Christians come back as themselves, good riddance to bad rubbish, hopefully you and you family will rot in hell, never mind you’ll have lots of company, stalin, mao, hitler, all the bushes, cheney, rummy, and the list goes on and on

Is that HAIR I see on his palm?

He said he wanted to spend more time with his family. I bet his family is really pissed at Bush for accepting his resignation. His family probably doesn’t like the smell when he is around either!

#94565 by Louise on 8/13 at 10:30 am

Louise, as usual, thanks for your excellent comments. This really does become the bottom line:

•  According to reliable White House insiders Bush’s poll numbers are actually hovering around 19%, and dropping fast. So where do all those OTHER former Bush supporters stand? Some of them may be Bible-thumping born-againers, some of them may be hicks, a lot of them are anything but wealthy ... [so they watch PBS, it’s free] ... and they are the ones who’s kids fight the wars.

19% eh? And for sure it’s gotta be dropping. And yes, as things become worse, and for far more people even than those who’s kids are fighting these wars, the dissatisfaction grows. Even those who have never much cared about the “other peoples’’ blood shed in these wars, they are beginning to worry about their treasure being dumped into the sands of Iraq, (or otherwise laundered) because they are feeling the effects in their own pockets and deteriorating financial security. Even the least conscious among them can eventually make the connection of their own declining security to the huge billions being funneled through the war machine.

And, even for those long term supporters of the generic republican brand are likely to be a little itchy about the trashing of the Constitution. So, things don’t look good. And, at some point in time, ALL of these politicians are gonna have to do what Karl did. They can stand by their guy, (and lose their jobs) or choose to do what their real bosses ask them to. Now, if george can support all of them for eternity, then they can possibly afford to hang in there. But, I hope they aren’t counting on that.

So, we’re keeping up the pressure. Impeach, Impeach. It’s the only way to get things right again. It’s like an all-in-one remedy. Clean out, start over.
On this…
....“All the same, I see this as a mutual decision by everyone [possibly excepting Bush] guided by the growing recognition if something isn’t done to at least create the appearance of positive change impeachment will come!..”

Do you think it will work? I mean, how many people are likely to (at this point) see the exit of Rove as positive change? Surely there are some, but I just wonder if everybody isn’t wise to that now, noting as you did, about who is still around?

It seems to me like george would have had more effect dumping gonzo, as least with his Congressional base. So, while the party may be trying to give some appearance of making a change, I’m guessing that there are more than a few who still have those concerns about future forced testimony. Can he keep holler executive privilage on all of the stuff that Congress has been trying to get out of him for years now?

These are just thoughts of course, but the Oversight Committees (especially our ace blood hound Mr. Waxman, who has been dogging these guys’ trails for a while now)very likely still have things in the works for the likes of Karl Rove. Maybe some contempt charges? I mean, I don’t know, but gonzo is conveniently out of the country, and now we’ve got Karl, who gets to become pretty elusive himself, once he is no longer a government employee.

I think they should make him turn in his passports when he leaves. Just to make sure he doesn’t get too far. I still want him to testify to all of his crimes under oath.

The article quotes: “Obviously, it’s a big loss to us,” White House deputy press secretary Dana Perino told the Associated Press news agency. “He’s a great colleague, a good friend, and a brilliant mind. He will be greatly missed.”
“He will continue to be one of the president’s greatest friends,” she added.”

C’mon Dana, get a real job!  What will your legacy be?.....
“I lied for a living for the biggest crooks in the HISTORY of America.”

I hope you and Tony Snow are friends because most people wouldn’t want to be within throwing distance of your ilk.  You “whitewash the outside but the inside is full of deadmen’s bones.”  Remember Dana, the lies you promote do not go unnoticed and this is not a game.  Thousands of people have died or been maimed beyond recognition, and still you promote this rabble. Dana, you are a fool if you think they “got your back” because that is not the way these types operate.

When it’s all said and done, where will you be accepted?  You see, the original Nazi’s had places to run.  But with the advent of the internet the WHOLE WORLD knows who you are.  And they’re not impressed…..

Like dominos falling down in slow motion, so to shall the “Turd Blossom” be flushed down the toilet.Priceless.

Don’t you just love the over used excuse of why people from this adminstration leave their jobs,“To spend more time with their family”? Yeah right. Most men,as most of these are men who have left the shrub behind, have used this line for the last 6 1/2 years. It wears thin and insincere after a while. I have yet to see “Real people” in the everyday work world leave their job to spend more time with the family. Of course we cannot afford to do so, unlike these corrupt money grubbers.

If you get the chance to view the movie “Bush’s Brain” do so, it plays on the Sundance channel. It is all about Herr Karl and his long history of evilness since he was in high school. It tells how he discredited his rivals with underhanded, untruthful, unfounded “chatter” in the rumor mill to ruin their reputations and lives.A tactic used by him repeatedly. His untruthful rumors started when shrub ran for governor of Texas helped to fuel the lies against the former governor of Texas. How much it is easier to believe a lie over the truth is a proven fact in T.B.‘s life.Good Bye Karl, you won’t be missed!

#94573 by Sceloporus on 8/13 at 10:52 am

...“They still have enough soldiers to do that. Any further erosion and they’ll loose that edge and even the cloture rule won’t work. That’s what the White House is up to I think; Trying to prevent further defections…”

Sceloporus,

Ah HA!! Thanks for the insight. That does make sense. I’ve been watching them do this thing with the cloture, and wondered how they could still get away with it. And you’re right that it’s been the primmary method by which to block everything, (with the exception of the stuff that the dems have just rolled over and given them). But, it’s reasonable to see where that might not work forever.

So, this is to staunch the bleeding, eh?

cyrena:
“I’d be willing to go on the record as suggesting NO BASE is left, and he long ago lost any leverage…as soon as the lies ran out.”

The Repubs are still running interference for him, especially in the Senate, using the cloture rule over and over again. They’ve blocked the Democrats per any withdrawl timetable, per Home Time vs Combat Time for the troops. Enough Repubs have defected that they’ve resorted to the cloture rules in the Senate and filibuster threats; They still have enough soldiers to do that. Any further erosion and they’ll loose that edge and even the cloture rule won’t work. That’s what the White House is up to I think; Trying to prevent further defections.

Congratulation to GWB,

At least you’re free from your “leash” !

#94500 by Sceloporus on 8/13 at 7:41 am
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I take this as a concession to the Republicans in congress; They must be thoroughly sick of Rove by now. Bush doesn’t have much leverage left and needs to keep what base he has left on Capitol Hill.
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Sceloporus,

I’d be willing to go on the record as suggesting NO BASE is left, and he long ago lost any leverage…as soon as the lies ran out.

That’s where they went so horribly wrong. You can’t keep a card house together for over 6 years, and just keep telling the same lies over and over and over. Even the dumbest of citizens eventually catch on. (not all, but most).

So, the Shrub has no base, and the repugs are running as fast as they can, to distance themselves from him. Dumping Rove isn’t gonna help though.

No, I see this only as a quicker escape than was originally intended. A way to be well ahead of many of the tribunals and convictions that will wash through our judicial system, once we get them all on the docket.

I’m willing to put forth a small wager that Rove disappears very soon, and that we never hear anything more from him, unless someone actually buys his book.

Surely he will never include the descriptions of all of the alternative realities that he created to sell to the world, thereby fostering myth and destruction throughout.

Does anybody remember that movie, “The Bad Seed”? Well, that’s george/rove/gonzo in a triplet set of them.

Some people just never should have been born.

Hmmm ...

Interesting comments.

For what it’s worth, I see this as a reaction to the gathering steam-roller called impeachment.

There are a lot of folks who are stuck with repub reps and senators, and I suspect those repubs have been hearing from their constituents. According to reliable White House insiders Bush’s poll numbers are actually hovering around 19%, and dropping fast. So where do all those OTHER former Bush supporters stand? Some of them may be Bible-thumping born-againers, some of them may be hicks, a lot of them are anything but wealthy ... [so they watch PBS, it’s free] ... and they are the ones who’s kids fight the wars.

I think the repubs have been pressuring Bush mightily, in reaction to the complaints from home. And now that the word impeachment is starting to show up in the messages from home they realize something must be done. While most of them might not vote for impeachment ... at this point in time ... when it becomes a ground-swell threatening to erupt, they will have to do something or risk being kicked out of office.

Meanwhile, back in the brain of Bush, [the real one] blind stubbornness still rules, but Rove for all his dishonesty is still smart enough to see which way the wind blows.

All the same, I see this as a mutual decision by everyone [possibly excepting Bush] guided by the growing recognition if something isn’t done to at least create the appearance of positive change impeachment will come!

And when it comes, those repubs are going to have to take a stand ... with the people, or with a failing presidency and a disastrously failing war! However, please don’t make the mistake of believing Roves leaving will change anything!

It’s who isn’t leaving that counts!

KEEP THE PRESSURE UP!
Email, phone, FAX ...
IMPEACH
IMPEACH

Never mind the nay-sayers.
The one thing you can always count on with them is ...
No matter what, they will still be saying nay!
That’s pretty much all they do.

#94553 by weather on 8/13 at 10:06 am
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Make a profit please, but don’t be a pig. It’s swine who congeal at the trough greed.
So take your “Hank” Greeburgs, Nacchio’s, Sackler’s & Company and drop-ship them in the sands of Iraq. May they wash the feet of those serving and living there.

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I agree something needs to be done so I think I will see you at the polls.

Elder Earl.

I’m a 3rd gen. Republican, profoundly ashamed of the old party.
I humbly believe if Ronald Reagan were to see how the very climate he helped set-forth were so terribly preverted from its original intent and purpose, he’d be spinning in his grave.

Make a profit please, but don’t be a pig. It’s swine who congeal at the trough greed.
So take your “Hank” Greeburgs, Nacchio’s, Sackler’s & Company and drop-ship them in the sands of Iraq. May they wash the feet of those serving and living there.

The GOP can charter the plane w/your political contributions Earl and begin to redeem themselves when they have the balls to confront the truth about 9/11.

#94464 by Groovesmoothly on 8/13 at 5:37 am

•  Hey cyrena,
If you’re forming a posse, the word on the street is that he’s building a bunker in Rosemary Beach, Fl. I’ll see if a I can get a Google map on the exact location…
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Groovesmoothly,

Sounds like a deal. If you can come up with a map, I can handle it. (we might have to take up a collection for the jet fuel though, especially if we decide on rendition)

But, double check though. Because I just read that someone else has sighted him at Kennebunkport, which is pretty much where I figured he would be. Still, that might just be while the bunker is being built.
Maybe we should just wall them all in at Kennebunkport, with the 14 foot high cement structures like they’re building in Iraq, to keep the natives confined. Get some heavy duty razor wire, and just enclose the entire town. (anybody that lives there is part of the Cabal). That way, we can take our time sorting them all out, and putting together the docket and all. We can turn it into a little Gitmo, just for their own intimate circle.

Even that is too good for them, but it’ll have to do.

There is something seriously wrong with the notion of serving the nation until it is no longer tenable.
Resignations such as these are enormous billboards proclaiming guilt.

My guess is he will find himself a cushy lil position selling influence for the next 18 months - then probably a nice corporate gig where he will help rape tax payers some more. Parasites know no other way.

B

http://b-political.blogspot.com/

#94447 by weather on 8/13 at 3:12 am
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Don’t let the door slam on your way out Rove.

You helped choreograph the most deceitful and criminally motivated administration ever.
Today as a country America is suffering from low self-esteem.
So when the minions at the wsjrl. massage your message that “its time” and generate that homespun distraction for ‘the sake of his family’,
know down deep in your DNA, you corpulent fraud that it’s you who’s families you helped destory here and there.
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We as a Americans are not suffering from low self esteem.  As Rove said, “He expected Mr Bush’s current poor ratings to improve, and that conditions in Iraq would get better as the military surge continued.

A Republican had a good chance of winning the 2008 presidential election, he said, because Democrats would choose the “fatally flawed” Hillary Clinton as their candidate.

Well, well, well. The Fat Rat at long last deserts the sinking Ship of State. Just look at the guy: slap some whiskers to either side of that pudgy face with those beady little eyes and you have what has got to be the world’s -biggest- sewer rat.

“Turd Blossom” indeed. Funny nickname for a RFSOB.

LMAO

First Goering, now Dr. Goebbles.  Will Hitler hit the bunker while Himmler stays around to face the tribunal?

Nah.  They know them Dems don’t have the guts.  By letting this vile Reich go out on their own terms, they’ve set the stage for our nations demise.

W is in Kennebunkport, not Crawford (near Whack-O). The Rove announces he needs time to do his laundry (“this was the right time to be giving more to his family”).

I think Bush is getting advice. Kport is where he goes when he’s listening. Crawdad is where he goes when he’s a-blusterin’

First Goering, now Dr. Goebbles.  If there were any justice in the world, Hitler would hide out at the ranch and od on cocaine and whiskey, while Himmler stuck around to face the music.

Unfortunately, the democrats are wussies.  They don’t realize what a precedance the set for the future of this country if they let our own Third Reich get away unscathed.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ah hah ha ha aaaah . .

I take this as a concession to the Republicans in congress; They must be thoroughly sick of Rove by now. Bush doesn’t have much leverage left and needs to keep what base he has left on Capitol Hill.

When the stink of political bodies becomes too rank, he leaves. He’s done his damage. We still suffer under the monster he has created, Mr. Frankinbush.

Ha ha, cyrena. I’ll buy the elopement remedy - but could you really imagine waking up next to that goat/reptile in the morning - uhh?!?!
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PS. Nope…I can’t imagine. Matter of fact, I think a REAL alligator or goat would scare me less.

#94468 by Douglas Chalmers on 8/13 at 5:48 am

I dunno Doug. Condi may be as influencial as you say, (especially with the shrub). And, there’s no doubt that she’s had an on-going fight with cheney/rumsfeld/others in the struggle for whom is going to make his calls.

Unfortunately, I don’t find her to be the least bit qualified, not in the real sense of the realities of today. I think she’s just left over from a time when maybe she could at least hold her own in terms of being as professional as you say.

But, hers in an old cold war mentality that doesn’t fit the new world. And, she’s not a statewoman, nor does she have anything close to any diplomacy skills. Definitely lacking there.

So, I think she should just fade into the sunset with all the rest of them, as we try to bury this whole nightmare, and see if we can get back on track. The US has become a third world country.

Condi hasn’t helped.

His detractors will have to choose someone else to kick around, I guess.

http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2007/08/political-bombshell-karl-rove-has.html#links

#94458 by cyrena on 8/13 at 5:04 am: “...Do we really think Condi has any genuine influence around there? .....She could be next. ......thinking that she’s somehow “out survived” even rove. ....they are heading for the high seas, leaving her holding the bag….... By this time next week, she and the Shrub may have eloped….”

Ha ha, cyrena. I’ll buy the elopement remedy -  but could you really imagine waking up next to that goat/reptile in the morning - uhh?!?!

Frankly, I think you underestimate her by quite a margin. She really is far more influential than she appears. The problem has been the tendency of the good ol’ boys to get in the way. Alone, she could have gone far - perhaps it is too late now? She certainly looked a lot happier once Rumsfeld was out of the way. But then, we all know he was a pest…...

What about “the candidate behind the cleavage”, though - or is the media still too pre-occupied with women candidates’ fashion statements to look at Condi as being “the most qualified and most experienced person”  on the GOP side??? I guess by the time they realise, nominations will be closed…..

Hey cyrena,
If you’re forming a posse, the word on the street is that he’s building a bunker in Rosemary Beach, Fl. I’ll see if a I can get a Google map on the exact location…

There are those who Get and Sh*t and those who Sh*t and Get.  Rove is the latter!

Others are left to clean up the mess…...

#94453 by Douglas Chalmers on 8/13 at 4:12 am

Condi Rice must be enjoying herself, ha ha. First what-was-his-name, oh, yes, Rumsfeld. That was a relief. Now the prize clown has gone too…

I don’t know Douglas. Do we really think Condi has any genuine influence around there? I mean, she’s just so amatueurish, that I might really have expected her to go first.

She could be next. On the other hand, she could be stupid enough to be enjoying this, thinking that she’s somehow “out survived” even rove.

But, she would be fooling herself. If anything, they are heading for the high seas, leaving her holding the bag.

But, that’s not something she would figure out.

I dunno know. I could be wrong. Lord knows I can no longer be surprised.

By this time next week, she and the Shrub may have eloped.

Did someone say Bush has/had a brain??? Rove??? Ha ha, ha ha!!! That clown????

Condi Rice must be enjoying herself, ha ha. First what-was-his-name, oh, yes, Rumsfeld. That was a relief. Now the prize clown has gone too.

The ‘decider monkey’ should be next - oops, I mean, er, Crusader Mr. President, sir…..

Call it my “gut”, (which is at least as reliable as anyone else’s) but I think the Rovian is on the run, and I sure hope somebody can do a citizens arrest before that happens.

Skruff, he’s probably in or around your neighborhood. Can you stop him from escaping, or call the proper authorities?

Don’t let the door slam on your way out Rove.

You helped choreograph the most deceitful and criminally motivated administration ever.
Today as a country America is suffering from low self-esteem.
So when the minions at the wsjrl. massage your message that “its time” and generate that homespun distraction for ‘the sake of his family’,
know down deep in your DNA, you corpulent fraud that it’s you who’s families you helped destory here and there.