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Robertson Spars With Obama Over Religion

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Posted on Aug 7, 2007
Pat Robertson
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Here’s a big shocker:  Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama and Christian conservative pundit Pat Robertson (pictured) don’t see eye to eye when it comes to our nation’s religious foundations.  After Obama expressed his views on the subject to Robertson’s Christian Broadcasting Network, Robertson opined that Obama is “selling out, well, the origins of our nation.”

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“America wasn’t built on Hinduism,” Robertson continued. “America wasn’t built on Islam. America wasn’t built on Buddhism. America and our democratic institutions were built on the Christian faith. There is no question about it. ... And I think to put Christianity on a par with Hinduism, Buddhism, etc., I believe this man is doing a grave disservice to our nation.”

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By Kingdom Citizen, August 11, 2007 at 7:45 pm Link to this comment
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I agree with Dale that Christians have done so many horrible things in the name of god. That’s why it is important to know the true God of the bible. And Jesus who came to bring a Kingdom not a religion. Religion is the problem of the world today. Man is so intelligent and yet so blind to the truth. What a man believes does affect what happens in our country.We are the only country who let someone’s beliefs change ou foundation. If you go to an Islamic country, you can’t talk about any other religion. So why don’t we stick to what we say our country is.

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By GB, August 8, 2007 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment
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Pat Robertson fleeces his followers and invests heavily in diamonds and oil. He threatened Hugo Chavez’s life because his stocks had a risk while Chavez was negotiating contracts with oil companies. If Pat walked with Jesus he would be supportive of a man who wants to use the resources in his country to bring up their poor. Instead, he chooses to walk with the delusional who blaim victims of natural disasters and not those in federal agancies who are supposed to be helping. I have to give Obama credit for expressing the need for a separation of church and state. I want my taxes to go for bridge upgrades not for Revelations.

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By richard kobzey, August 8, 2007 at 2:49 pm Link to this comment
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This predator’s days are numbered.

Adding to J(u)ne’s orison:

shut out the truth
silence the host
play the part of the holy ghost
control the things that they need most
then rape their souls from coast to coast (operation ‘blood diamond’ operations)

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By hellboy, August 8, 2007 at 2:33 pm Link to this comment
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hail, satan

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By michael, August 8, 2007 at 1:59 pm Link to this comment
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And I think to put Christianity on a par with Hinduism, Buddhism, etc., I believe this man is doing a grave disservice to our nation.”
  I wonder what would pats take on this if the comment was from a person from India trying to make the point that christian missonaries should stay the heck out.

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By Chaseme, August 8, 2007 at 11:16 am Link to this comment
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Pat Robinson sparring with Obama:

Obama says to Pat,  “Mamma Said Knock You Out!”

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By marc, August 8, 2007 at 10:59 am Link to this comment
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Another example of the danger of religion. Robertson illustrates perfectly the disrespect that is engendered among believers of a certain faith toward others of differnt faiths. Is it not possible to see that most of todays violence, ill-will and discrimination is directly due to religious faith? When will people wake up? In every field of human endeavor we have made incredible advances, except our clinging to medieval notions and superstitions about an all powerful god. We all will die one day. Face it. Stop counting on “eternal life with god”.
Make this life count.
    As an aside: I love it when those of faith declare that the survivors of a disaster were saved by god. What about the people that died and were not saved? Did god not love them? The inevitable believer cop-out is : “God has a plan that we just can’t understand”.
    Religion is poison.

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By Dale Headley, August 8, 2007 at 9:54 am Link to this comment
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Pat Robertson is right.  All those other religions are different from his; all of them combined couldn’t begin to match the violence and evil perpetrated on mankind by Christianity, in the past and present.  The Crusades, The Inquisition, the virtual eradication of native Americans; the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia/Kosovo; the holocaust; the dropping of the atomic bomb on helpless, innocent people.  Christians did all of it with the imprimatur of their god.  The Bible is the only “holy” book that glorifies the wholesale slaughter of innocent men, women, and children (Deuteronomy, Numbers, Leviticus).  Pat Robertson is a sick, twisted, old man consumed with god-inspired hatred for those not of his ignorant faith; why does anybody listen to him other than his like-minded followers?

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By GDKZen, August 8, 2007 at 9:43 am Link to this comment
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It’s important to remember that their is a significant bloc of the electorate that believes the doggerel that this charlatan spews. 

Everytime he speaks, he motivates that bloc to vote - so to balance things out we need to get out and vote in numbers as well.  The rise of the influence of pseudo-christian fundamentalists is largely due to their disproportionate representation in government and the GOP in particular. 

We, who stand by the true tenets of our nation (seperation of church and state, due process of law, inalienable human rights) have done ourselves a disservice by not taking our civic responsibility of voting seriously enough.  We should be proud to vote, and should consider ourselves as nothing less than the protectors of our nation’s legacy.

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By Ibex, August 8, 2007 at 9:41 am Link to this comment

WTFWJD?

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By P. T., August 8, 2007 at 12:16 am Link to this comment

Pat Robertson lies about the varied religious views of the Founding Fathers.

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By THOMAS BILLIS, August 7, 2007 at 11:18 pm Link to this comment
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Pat Robertson got the moron we have in the White House elected.Do not worry Pat, Jerry is saving you a seat in hell right next to Hitler.

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By Jue, August 7, 2007 at 11:05 pm Link to this comment
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Every time you turn around,some politician’s calling on the Almighty.  In keeping with Mark Twain’s comment on the efficacy of prayer in LETTER FROM THE RECORDING ANGEL (highly recommended for all), I suggest the following orison for the Pat Robertsons of our nation and other Right-wing hypocrites of all stripes:

God of the hurricane, Lord of the quake,
Bless the Armed Forces who kill for our sake.
Give us our bread by the sweat of men’s brows,
Protect every loophole our tax law allows.
Forgive us our National Debt—if You’re willing—
As we all forgave the late Ken Lay and Skilling.
Deliver our bodies from ills wracking those
Who suffer, unable to pay through the nose.
Lead us not into court where a Liberal presides.
In short, please preserve our Conservative hides.
          Amen (Selah too)

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By kevin99999, August 7, 2007 at 10:34 pm Link to this comment
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Pardon me but every time i see this man’s picture I almost puke.

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By Enemy of State, August 7, 2007 at 8:19 pm Link to this comment

Thanks hemi, I was going to point out that quite a few of the important voices in the formation of our country, had enlightenment backgrounds. For those who have forgotten the enlightenment was largely a rebellion against the churches (and churh-states) of Europe. We had ourselves a little problem with the “Devine Rights of Kings”.

  And of course P Robertson, is all that the other commenters have said. Unfortunatly he is not irrelevant, he still maintains his own TV station, and millions listen in and think like him.

  And yes, getting into a tiff with he is a good sign of the sensibility of at least part of one’s message.

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By Passing the wind, August 7, 2007 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment
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Hemi,

Great post, I will give Robsin my name if he needs it, seems he has greater need of it.

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By Hate This Shit, August 7, 2007 at 7:55 pm Link to this comment
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I wish you and you kind did not exist. How did you ever get to be such a fraud?
Dry up you gd dousch bag. You won’t be fleecing us.

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By vet240, August 7, 2007 at 7:32 pm Link to this comment

#92994 by Hemi* on 8/07 at 5:50 pm

Hemi, thank you for the work you did to compile these quotes. I learned that many of our greatest minds concur with my innate supposition completely.

I was going to ask Robertson if I might retort. This Democratic Republic has flourished in freedom in spite of the efforts of religeous extremists to control its leaders or its peoples!

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By Hemi*, August 7, 2007 at 6:50 pm Link to this comment

“In every country and in every age the priest [any and every clergyman] has been hostile to liberty; he is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.” – Thomas Jefferson

“The impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world and through all time.” - Thomas Jefferson, Statute of Religious Freedom

“EVERY national church or religion has established itself by pretending some special mission from God, communicated to certain individuals. The Jews have their Moses; the Christians their Jesus Christ, their apostles and saints; and the Turks their Mahomet; as if the way to God was not open to every man alike.

Each of those churches shows certain books, which they call revelation, or the Word of God. The Jews say that their Word of God was given by God to Moses face to face; the Christians say, that their Word of God came by divine inspiration; and the Turks say, that their Word of God (the Koran) was brought by an angel from heaven. Each of those churches accuses the other of unbelief; and, for my own part, I disbelieve them all.” - Thomas Paine, The Age Of Reason

“Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. I had hoped that liberal and enlightened thought would have reconciled the Christians so that their religious fights would not endanger the peace of Society.” – George Washington, Letter to Sir Edward Newenham

“When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not care to support it, so that its professors are obliged to call for the help of the civil power, ‘tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.” - Ben Franklin, Poor Richard’s Almanac

“But the most dangerous Hypocrite in a Common-Wealth, is one who leaves the Gospel for the sake of the Law: A Man compounded of Law and Gospel, is able to cheat a whole Country with his Religion, and then destroy them under Colour of Law: And here the Clergy are in great Danger of being deceiv’d, and the People of being deceiv’d by the Clergy, until the Monster arrives to such Power and Wealth, that he is out of the reach of both, and can oppress the People without their own blind Assistance.” - Benjamin Franklin, comparing the politicized clergyman with the regular clergyman

Ouch, that’s gonna leave a mark! Was that a “right” cross? You were hit so hard Mr. Robertson that the president might have felt it. If our country was built on Christianity, a number of those that poured the foundation surely regretted it.

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By QuyTran, August 7, 2007 at 6:32 pm Link to this comment

They’re now barking to each other !

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By farmertx, August 7, 2007 at 6:29 pm Link to this comment

RAE
My sentiments exactly. Won’t be following this thread.

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By Dan, August 7, 2007 at 6:09 pm Link to this comment
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“Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama and Christian conservative pundit Pat Robertson (pictured) don’t see eye to eye when it comes to our nation’s religious foundations.”

Obama should wear that like a badge of honor.  RAE’s right, this Robertson jackass is a total buffoon.  He’s either stupid and illinformed or a liar.  Either way he’s dangerous and I hope he stuffs a sweaty sock in that bile-filled craphole he calls a mouth.

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By Ted Styer, August 7, 2007 at 5:10 pm Link to this comment
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Mr. Robertson should read the book, “How the Jews Saved the American Revolution” by Jerry Klinger.
Hayim Solomon was to die bankrupted due to his support of the American Revolution.

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By RAE, August 7, 2007 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment

Oh PULLLEEEEZZZ… don’t waste bandwidth on ANYTHING this idiot says. Who the hell cares what self-appointed, bigoted, psuedo-religious hypocrites say or do? Even Christ Himself wouldn’t bless this nutcase!

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By DASM, August 7, 2007 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment
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Robertson is probably one of the most irrelevant men in the U.S. as far as having any intelligent credibility.  This is the man who calls for assassins to do away with leaders of other countries—certainly that falls into the definition of ‘terrorist’.  He should be in prison, not spouting his hateful messages.  The origins of the U.S. do NOT fall into the garbage that Robertson spouts, that’s for sure.  The people who were the origins of the U.S. constitution, etc. would be appalled at his bigotry.  “Deliver us from Pat Robertson”.

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By Joe R., August 7, 2007 at 4:45 pm Link to this comment
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Pat’s right.  America was settled by a miss match bunch of religious fanatics that came to the new world to escape being burned at the stake.  The early settlers were not into serenity much but they sure hated sex, women , and of course everyone that wasn’t as nuts as they were. Every type of cult imaginable has thrived here and it shows.  People can’t even look at a tit without vapor locking.

Pat Robertson is a flake, but he knows how to fleece the sheep out of there money.  Scary as hell that we still elect people for their religious views.  And you can tell exactly how low the human race is on the food chain when people allow a nut case like Pat Robertson do their thinking for them.  We are doomed.

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