#93511 by lilmamzer on 8/09 at 1:37 pm

I uderstand the futility of debating with one as blind as you, so I wont.

My comment stands, and those not you understand the point.

#93462 by ardee

While your post does contain the crux of the problem what you fail to understand seemingly is that such falsehoods are endemic to both sides of this issue.

Your response is incoherent; you acknowlege that Arab bigotry (and the resultant rejection of Jewish self-determination) is the crux of the conflict, and then contradict yourself by laying equal (and mysterious) blame upon Jews.

If the Arabs ceased to promulgate hatred, there would be no need for the Jews to defend themselves, and hence, no conflict.

#93414 by lilmamzer on 8/09 at 7:39 am
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#93190 by ardee

#93155 by 1drees on 8/08 at 11:39 am

If you base your opinions upon the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” then you base them upon a forged book. This was a creation of Csarist Russia , produced as proof of something or other in order to justify the pogroms against the jews in Russia.

The libelous “Protocols” is a perennial bestseller in Arab countries, but nowhere more so than in the Palestinian Authority. “1dress” was probably spoon-fed antisemitic propaganda like that since childhood. This is the crux of the Arab/Muslim genocidal war against the Jews.

While your post does contain the crux of the problem what you fail to understand seemingly is that such falsehoods are endemic to both sides of this issue.

A large part of this problem between Palestinian and Jew, in fact a large part of most of the worlds problems continue because each side sees only the truths they care to accept. Pity really.

#93190 by ardee

If you base your opinions upon the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” then you base them upon a forged book. This was a creation of Csarist Russia , produced as proof of something or other in order to justify the pogroms against the jews in Russia.

The libelous “Protocols” is a perennial bestseller in Arab countries, but nowhere more so than in the Palestinian Authority. “1dress” was probably spoon-fed antisemitic propaganda like that since childhood. This is the crux of the Arab/Muslim genocidal war against the Jews.

Check this out:

‘Protocols of Elders of Zion’ in Palestinian Ideology

#93155 by 1drees on 8/08 at 11:39 am

If you base your opinions upon the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” then you base them upon a forged book. This was a creation of Csarist Russia , produced as proof of something or other in order to justify the pogroms against the jews in Russia.

Or dont you really care?

Musharraf fired back, “Blanks filled with Dollars.” Great people, ruled by Thugs.

for vet240 and Jefferson

I do not support military dictators, regardless of economic accomplishments. I do support duly elected leaders, ironically like that of Iran’s Amadhinajad.

It is far easier to rally a nations economy through fiat rather than compromise. That most of the profit of that economic leap does not go to the people of that nation is frankly secondary to the fact of assuming power through a coup. That personal liberty and equal justice do not exist in that nation is the point, not that Musharaff must tread lightly on the subject of bin Laden because his nation has many fundamentalist muslims.

I believe everyone must make a choice as to which form of governance is best. I believe that each nations citizens should be allowed that choice as well. I also realise that some nations prefer a taliban like government, and they are welcome to it, but I would offer that, if given a choice, freedom always prevails.

people read some history and educate yourself thoroughly before you post nonsense like nefertiti above.

musharraf took over when pakistan was a bankrupt country with nuclear weapons. soon after his takeover 911 happened. the us threatened pakistan with “we will bomb you to the stone ages if you do not do blah blah ...”. he had no choice. as far as dictators - he is the best man pakistan had after the totally corrupt civilian governments like bhutto and sharif. he has turned the economy around - brought respectability to pakistan. stood by the us in the so called war on terror.
the brits and many before that for over 200 years tried to bring the independent wazirstan people under their rule but failed. they are fiercly independent people and will resist the us attacks at all cost. the blowback from a unilateral attack as the bushites and the obamas and some people on this blog are suggesting is going to be far worse than in iraq.
the radical jihadis are waiting for this scenario to unfold so they can unleash a torrid inferno in the whole region.
sad that while we are waging a bloody useless war in iraq and afghanistan now (in)sane left wing people are suggesting the same for pakistan. either you have a dialog and help a beleagurred ally or you will see a nuclear nation go up in smoke and take the whole region with it. do you really want that ?
so stay cool and do not get taken in by the politicians who have already murdered 600,000 innocent iraqis and are now proposing further genocide under the pretext of capturing osama and killing the terrorists over there so they do not come and kill us here.

Obama is not much better than Bush. Since he wasn’t around to vote on the war in Iraq he tells all who will listen that he would not have voted to go to war. And we know this because the man tells us after the fact, and whatever a politician says we are to believe?
At the first opportunity to talk of war Obama like Bush is eager and willing to go into Pakistan and the consequences’ be damned.
Obama is no better than the rest of them just a mud slinging sneak.

There is many among us who have done little to learn what Mesharraf has to contend with, just as we falied to do with Hussein.

Musharraf is walking a thin line if he mis-steps he gets ovet-thrown. If you don’t like him, you really won’t like his replacement.

Barack Obama is the only one I have heard suggest taking any unilateral action within Pakistani borders.

Barack has demonstrated his lack of experience in making this statement.

Four months ago I e-mailed my feelings about his run at the Presidency (to one of the sites with his name on it). I told him he would be perfect in eight years. That would give him the time to gain knowledge about all facets of Government including International relations. I also told him we need an experienced hand who would be able to clean up the absolute mess the Republicans and the Bush (league)had left us with.

Millions of people (most of the world are repulsed by our arrogance) We are accumulating a virtual mountain of debt to contiue our folley in Iraq (much of that debt is held by foreign lenders like China and Japan.

Our infrastructure, both social (human issues like health care, border security and education) and structural issues (bridges, roads, water, energy and the environment) Are paying the price for this stupid waste of our reources in Iraq.

We are saddled with a reality not unlike Musharraf in that I’m sure he would like to do things differently or make changes, but he too has a limited number of realistic options available.

A typical American ally, a military dictator......

We let bin Laden escape from the trap at Tora Bora and slip into an area in Pakistan both almost inaccessible and very strongly fundamentalist, ideal for such as AlQaeda.

First Bush promised to get bin Laden and bring him to justice, then a couple of years later claims he spends no time thinking about him at all. Now , with his ratings in the toilet, he suddenly decides to resurrect the search for Osama, where is Waldo anyway?

I love the juxtaposition of AlQaeda in a nation with much support and an unpopular ruler, oh and nuclear weapons too....

Friends or Foes ? You name them !

He finally Allows Benazir Bhutto his sworn enemi back to Pakistan (the US may have forced his hand ) as the only remaining popular people in pakistan are the islamists and god forbid , the whitehouse does not want them , but allow crazy people like Tancredo to run for elections .

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/08/07/pakistan.b hutto.reut/index.html

He is finished . He did all he could , made a few hundreds disappear (till now ) tortured a few in brand new prisons built by the US (described by many Pakistanis who had been released ) killed hundreds at the Red mosque that was still not Enough. he risked his life a few times by his citizens because he despised them , and now he has lost any support he had before . he is a finished man . I was surprised he visited Bhutto in Dubai , he hated her before, and said she wont be allowed into Pakistan , now he is urging her to come back . I wonder whether it was a US idea , to bring her back , as she is more popular than him. she was very secular , yet , respected the people until Busharaf .

Yeah, that’s a good idea!  Let’s tell Musharraf so that he can tell the terrorists where the U.S. is going to strike the arab, islamist, fundamentalist, terrorists, before the strike!