#92710 by wangman on 8/06 at 9:39 pm

Romas need not apply.

Thank god the Native Americans are so drunk in their rez, or else America would become bankrupt
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Wangman,

Not only the Native Americans, but the hordes of former slaves and their dependants are still waiting for their 40 acres and a mule, promised back at the Emancipation Proclamation.

At this point, I’d settle for ONE acre, and a volvo equipped with a hybrid fuel system. (or even a scooter with a basket for groceries)

I doubt it’s gonna happen.

#92564 by RAE on 8/06 at 10:44 am
“Probably a dumb question but… Most Jews in Germany at the time of the holocaust I assume were German citizens.  It was the German government that incarcerated/tortured/murdered them......I don’t understand the reasons that these former Germans now expect/demand the Israeli government to support them. Wouldn’t it be more appropriate to seek retribution/support from the government that “wronged” them - Germany?”

RAE,

Germany has already paid close to $100 billion to the Claims Compensation fund, which declares how many survivors there are and collects from Germany accordingly.  Where the money goes, nobody knows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_Conference
http://www.religioustolerance.org/fin_nazi.htm

There are new victims being sought in order to create new funds to be paid by Germany. 

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3269515,00.html#n

People that were not directly affected by the Holocaust are also in the process of seeking fund, including therapy fees for the “2nd generationers”:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/882429.html

In fact, here are all the Holocaust funds set up by all the countries that did any wrongdoing to Jews:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/ claims1.html

Romas need not apply.

Thank god the Native Americans are so drunk in their rez, or else America would become bankrupt.

#92488 by il bagattel on 8/06 at 5:25 am
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Do you mean to tell me that Israeli holocaust survivors are not eligible for US Medicare/Medicade? Someone better get Pelosi on that right away.
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il bagattel,

I had to laugh out loud at this one.

For now though, I think Pelosi has far too much on her agenda to fix this up.

I don’t think the current State of Israel would exist if not for the deaths of Holocaust victims and the suffering of its survivors. Consider the historical magnitude of the staggering evil perpetrated during this dark chapter in the human story, as well as the incredible heroism, resilience, and “humanity” demonstrated by so many in reaction. I am not Jewish and I’ve criticized the Israeli government on its dealings with the Palestinians; however, these survivors are human historical treasures and should be cared for until death, and remembered after.  Anything less would be pure hypocrisy.

Ken Morgan, there were two camps at Treblinka, one an extermination camp and one a forced labor camp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_extermination_camp

Probably a dumb question but…

Most Jews in Germany at the time of the holocaust I assume were German citizens.

It was the German government that incarcerated/tortured/murdered them.

When Israel was reestablished it opened its doors to all Jews who wanted to migrate.

I don’t understand the reasons that these former Germans now expect/demand the Israeli government to support them. Wouldn’t it be more appropriate to seek retribution/support from the government that “wronged” them - Germany?

Sorry… I’m not Jewish… just ignorant, I guess.

#92468 by cyrena on 8/06 at 3:49 am: “...I actually know all of this stuff, particularly about the al Nakba, and you would be impressed with my library. ......So, it was a grammatical error I guess, for me to say that Israel was born as a “result”. It definitely didn’t convey what I intended. I was more focusing on the whole reason that it came to be, which was supposedly to “accommodate” the survivors of the Holocaust, and give them their own special place to be......... they STILL don’t even take care of these survivors, that were supposed to be so well taken care of, just based on the whole ideology that they perpetrate. Kinda hypocritcal if ya ask me. Not unlike the way things are done here though....”

OK, so lets discuss that then, cyrena. I didn’t intend my post to be a ‘lecture’ either. By the way, I’d like to “see your library” some time, too, ha ha....

Here’s an interesting point - the Australian government recently announced a $25,000 compensation payment on top of pensions, etc for ex-prisoners of war. There should be plenty of Jews living there, especially in Melbourne and Sydney. I don’t know if they are entitled as holocaust victims as well, though. It would be interesting if someone from J-Post or Haaretz or the like checked around and compared what was available to people in similar categories in other countries to confront their own stupid government with.......

Quote: “...The Minister for Veterans’ Affairs, Mr Bruce Billson has announced the Government’s commitment to pay $25,000 compensation to those Australians who were held captive by Germany, Italy or their Allies during World War II....... The cash payment is non-taxable...” http://www.dva.gov.au/pensions/pow/POW_Europe_payment.htm

#92464 by Douglas Chalmers on 8/06 at 3:13 am
• Not “ born as a result of the Holcaust” but “after” the holocaust, cyrena:-
“The 1948 Arab-Israeli War, also known as the Israeli War of Independence, was the first in a series of wars fought between the State of Israel and its Arab neighbors in the long-running Arab-Israeli conflict. For Israelis, the war marks the successful establishment of the Israeli state, but for Palestinian Arabs, it signifies the beginning of the events referred to as “al Nakba” - “the Catastrophe”, a term used to describe the fleeing or expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian residents from the newly created state of Israel......”
Hey Doug,

I actually know all of this stuff, particularly about the al Nakba, and you would be impressed with my library.

So, it was a grammatical error I guess, for me to say that Israel was born as a “result”. It definitely didn’t convey what I intended. I was more focusing on the whole reason that it came to be, which was supposedly to “accommodate” the survivors of the Holocaust, and give them their own special place to be. And, even after all the years of damage, destruction, and on-going al-Nakba; after purging millions of Arabs from the land, they STILL don’t even take care of these survivors, that were supposed to be so well taken care of, just based on the whole ideology that they perpetrate. Kinda hypocritcal if ya ask me. Not unlike the way things are done here though.

Which simply adds to the crimes against humanity. Israel has a very bad record here.

#92394 by cyrena on 8/05 at 5:36 pm: “… They don’t stand a prayer, which is why the homeless ranks have so swelled. People living in their cars, if they’ve still got those....... But here, in America, we’ve been watching it for years now, and certainly our own government is responsible for that. ......BUT, this is ISRAEL...the State that was born as a result of the Holcaust. A place for the survivors and all Jews. A place of their own. And, this is how the government of Israel, TREATS their own....”

Not “ born as a result of the Holcaust” but “after” the holocaust, cyrena:-

“The 1948 Arab-Israeli War, also known as the Israeli War of Independence, was the first in a series of wars fought between the State of Israel and its Arab neighbors in the long-running Arab-Israeli conflict. For Israelis, the war marks the successful establishment of the Israeli state, but for Palestinian Arabs, it signifies the beginning of the events referred to as “al Nakba” - “the Catastrophe”, a term used to describe the fleeing or expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian residents from the newly created state of Israel......” - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_War

These are two distinct and different things and each has a separate history. Somehow, though, many in Israel have mixed them (and their religious fantasies) in their minds and there is no longer any logic in their justifications for their present repression of other Palestinians (it was once all Palestine).

If you want to sympathise, do so as far as the European repression was concerned. But remember that many of those who fled then did almost the same in turn to their Arab Christian and Moslem brothers and sisters. What is worse, it still continues 59 years later!

But lets not forget, either, that these last few days were the commemoration of another WW2 catastrophe. Again pathetically ignored by Truthdig, the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima was perpetrated wantonly and unnecessarily by the USA on 6th August, 1945:-

“The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuclear attacks during World War II against the Empire of Japan by the United States of America under US President Harry S. Truman. On August 6, 1945, the nuclear weapon “Little Boy” was dropped on the city of Hiroshima, followed on August 9, 1945 by the detonation of the “Fat Man” nuclear bomb over Nagasaki. They are the only instances of the use of nuclear weapons in warfare (so far!!!).....” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hirosh ima_and_Nagasaki

Oh yeah-- and now the US gov’t. is paying twenty thousand dollars for enlistees to go kill people.
Madness.

the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
who’s watching the tire pressure?

Stuff like this and the bridge in Minneapolis and the levees in New Orleans should never have become a problem.

Elected officials are so busy raising money for re-election they don’t have time to take care of their duties.

Nobody seems to notice we are killing hundreds of thousands of people without ethical, rational, or legal justification, either.

You could shout “mass murder” all day long and no one would notice. Holocaust survivors living on twenty bucks a month hardly registers in anyone’s mind.

But Lindsay Lohan, Anna Nicole, that’s news.
Sex is forbidden but murder is PG 13. I gotta say, you people are messed up.

Why aren’t the keepers of the Shoal flame making a case of this?  They sure went after everyone they could in Europe and pocketed most of the proceeds.  While the survivors in Israel are left to starve, and the Banks in Israel are allowed to drag their feet over searching for survivor’s funds.

So true RAE. I read this last night from the BBC site, and even saved the link. I was going to post it here, when I noticed they already had.

Anyway, as I read it, I thought...gee. This has been the problem here, for years now. We work and work and work and when we can’t any longer, we’re screwed. The bureaucracy involved now, with just collecting what we’ve already put into the system, has become, well, next to impossible. Not 100% impossible, but next to it. Meantime, there are all of those who have never even paid into it. They don’t stand a prayer, which is why the homeless ranks have so swelled. People living in their cars, if they’ve still got those.

But here, in America, we’ve been watching it for years now, and certainly our own government is responsible for that. BUT, this is ISRAEL...the State that was born as a result of the Holcaust. A place for the survivors and all Jews. A place of their own. And, this is how the government of Israel, TREATS their own.

So, Americans get pissed that we send all of these billions of dollars of aid to Israel, (even though we don’t feed or house any of our own “survivors")and Israel’s government obviously isn’t using those billions to take care of their own either.

But then, I’m not surprised.

And “finish their days” they will… waiting, while the governments stonewall and dither and procrastinate. When they’re all dead and buried the governments will then announce major funding to support the needs of holocaust survivors.

Please don’t take this as an anti-semitic blogging. It doesn’t matter your race or religion or situation/condition… the government set in authority over you will screw you every chance they get. That’s the ONLY thing governments do best.