#91344 by cyrena on 8/01 at 5:36 am: “… the claim has always been that she’s smart with “strategic stuff”. But in reality, I don’t see anything more than a cold war scholar, and any way she has tried to incorporate that old stuff into the current century, has been a disaster....”

Well, here we are at a turning point in world affairs when the “American century” is over. Its finished for good and the Bush Neocons have helped its end. There is no future left for the USA as #No.1 any more, belligerent fantasy as that always was (since 1898). The future for the 21st century is China and India rising and US industry has realised that and voted with their feet. The rest of the world has already decided to accomodate the USA as only an equal player. We’ll see how strong the US domestic economy is after this year is over. The entire global financial system that has supported its excesses for decades is now finally beginning to seriously fall apart.

cyrena: “...she’s just had to be more corrupt, just to hang in there. Once you sell your soul to the devil, it’s hard as hell to get it back. And, at that point, it doesn’t even matter if she’s all that smart....”

Yes, cyrena, I was thinking of that too when I was writing my last post. I guess that she doesn’t really realise that she is actually going backwards in personal terms - regressing instead of evolving. That is what bad karma does for you so incurring it in heaps over and over is real folly. Voting for people who make those kinds of mistakes is bad karma too, of course.

What we currently think of as smart is not what is in our best interests as a species for survival. At some stage, the Universe will decide for us that enough is enough. The outcome will be severe for the human race. I can’t help but think that hurricane Katrina was a big wake-up call for the USA. In other respects, what happened last week in Japan is also a last warning to sort things out properly or to suffer the consequences of human foolishness.

#91336 by Douglas Chalmers on 8/01 at 4:38 am
• Condi is by far the smartest person in that milleu and one wonders just how much power and influence she really does have. I think the answer, though, is that she is frustrated by the white conventions of the GOP and she has had to learn to live and lie with the worst of them. She is certainly good at that.

I dunno Doug, I’ve heard others say over the years, that Condi is so “smart”, but I’m honestly not impressed. She may have done the thing at Standford, and even landed a provost position there for a minute or so, but that was all politics as well. So, while she’s NEVER had any diplomatic skills, the claim has always been that she’s smart with “strategic stuff”. But in reality, I don’t see anything more than a cold war scholar, and any way she has tried to incorporate that old stuff into the current century, has been a disaster.
And, even though she has certainly learned to live and lie with the “worst” of them, she’ll still never been a full-fledged member of this particular Cabal. She might think she is, and her part-ownership of Chevron certainly puts her in the circle. But, she’s no match for cheney, and so in the end, (as we can see from her involvement in pushing this big arms deal with various and sundry Middle Eastern nations,) she’s just had to be more corrupt, just to hang in there. Once you sell your soul to the devil, it’s hard as hell to get it back. And, at that point, it doesn’t even matter if she’s all that smart.

Thanks for the links. I’ll have to wait until after my coffee to check them out.

#91319 by cyrena on 8/01 at 2:51 am: “..."Maybe we actually haven’t met the person who is really in charge behind all of them, though?"…...Douglas, I think you’re right. Either we haven’t met them, or we have, and we just don’t know that it’s them who are really running the show..... That’s how spooky the whole thing is....”

Yes, cyrenea, if you look a bit deeper than what makes you (and me) sick about Condi, there is a depth of inner energy in her eyes and then there is that Darth Vader hairstyle too, ha ha. She certainly has what it takes and the only thing holding her back is the proliferation of old grey-suited goats there at the White House.

Condi is by far the smartest person in that milleu and one wonders just how much power and influence she really does have. I think the answer, though, is that she is frustrated by the white conventions of the GOP and she has had to learn to live and lie with the worst of them. She is certainly good at that.

Certainly, when she was in Korea and China some months back re the missile crisis, she finally freed herself of that yoke. That was the time that Rumsfeld met his fate and she no longer had that old fool to put up with. She also must have realised that the Chinese and Japanese are generally nicer people to be with than most white Americans.

Can you imagine what the USA would be like if all of the people in government had that degree of capability and polish instead of the gauche and grotesque coarseness which passes for intelligence today? The USA would not then need guns and bombs to rule the world.

The youtube video on Condi I mentioned was “America likes to be with Condi” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8U4FRGcrRg&mode=re lated&search;= which seems to be from the Condy for President series although there is also another one on the SBC. There actually is one of her saying that she would ‘beat Maliki’s brains out’ although I have lost the link - this is the nearest I could find http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLf48XKNTzg

#91312 by Douglas Chalmers on 8/01 at 1:00 am

..."Maybe we actually haven’t met the person who is really in charge behind all of them, though?"…

Douglas, I think you’re right. Either we haven’t met them, or we have, and we just don’t know that it’s them who are really running the show. I have lots of ideas, but not a complete collection of proof. Even then, I could be wrong. That’s how spooky the whole thing is.

I didn’t find the youtube video on Condi, although I have read the transcriptof her remarks at that convention. She pretty much always makes me sick, just sometimes sicker than others.

I did come across another one though, in the search. It was a spoof, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. In it, she manages to deny being black, instead referring to herself as the “Cinnamon Girl”. It was really quite hillarious, though I’d love to see a clip of her threatening to beat Maliki’s brains out.

And yes, I know how sad that sounds, to be dependent on that sort of thing for my “entertainment”. What can I say?:)

#91293 by cyrena on 7/31 at 11:47 pm: “...this made me laugh out loud, if only because I can just so “capture” her doing EXACTLY THIS, and probably throwing in a few extra references to kicking his ass as well ....Not so Condi though. Oh no. But, she’s not the only one pounding on Maliki.... “

Of all the YouTube clips of Condy, the one of the Southern Baptist convention she addressed gets me the most, cyrena. The thing is that she is also the one who runs the “renditioning” and the CIA’s secret prisons all over the world - that reminds me of a recent French film which I will now ‘beat my brains’ to remember the name of, ha ha. The ‘heroine’ who had been beating up on everybody gets kidnapped and ends up in a secret dungeon being tortured for pay-per-view internet dysfunctionals who have the shamelessness and the money to log on for such evil things.

cyrena: “So, in cheney’s mind, all was going well. ....So, again in cheney’s plan, we the Americans DID arrange all of that .....It hasn’t worked out though. Bad calculations.... because there’s nothing HE (Maliki) can do about it, if the rest of the country isn’t going along....”

Strange things go on in strange peoples’ minds, cyrena. Cheney must be one of the strangest....... Bush is merely the sorcerer’s apprentice. Maybe we actually haven’t met the person who is really in charge behind all of them, though?

Well, poor Maliki has almost no people left in his parliament - they have all either run away or are unable to attend for one life-threatening reason or another. If that isn’t a failure, not many Iraqis necessarily like him anyway. See A Lynching… from “Baghdad Burning” http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

#91284 by Douglas Chalmers on 7/31 at 10:37 pm
• Despite the fact that Condoleeza Rice threatened Maliki that she would “beat his brains out”,
Oh Douglas, this made me laugh out loud, if only because I can just so “capture” her doing EXACTLY THIS, and probably throwing in a few extra references to kicking his ass as well. It’s just that I haven’t heard the threat out loud in a few decades now, (having ones brains beat out) though my mother used to make these threats occasionally. Big difference though, since my mother only made the threats against those of us who were likely to believe her, which pretty much prompted us to err on the side of caution, and just get with whatever the program was; thereby eliminating the need for her to ever follow thru. (well, most of the time) And of course, my mother has since mellowed-out.
Not so Condi though. Oh no. But, she’s not the only one pounding on Maliki. I’ve figured out that they take turns. (Her, Cheney, Rummy back then-Gates now) along with the ever changing “ambassadors” and deputies. I’d be willing to bet her threats are mild compared to cheney’s. They’ve even sent the nearly surge appointed Admiral Fallon over for these confrontations as well. But, I’m convinced that it’s cheney who they probably fear the most. (although I’m sure the average Arab man probably isn’t used to having some woman threaten to beat his brains out…. It’s just not how they think in that part of the world. I just don’t see him sitting still for that. The Shrub might, but not Maliki.)

As for this part....

• No, you goose, “we” weren’t holding any elections - the Iraqi people were; “we” weren’t ratifying anything, the Iraqi people were. The government in Iraq is Iraqi, not American or coalition.

Actually, cheney has never accepted that this. As far as the real agenda goes, HE was setting up a fiefdom in Iraq; his own personal and crony colony, (just way bigger than Israel) in the Middle East. And this whole election and constitution thing, was part of the set-up. HIS people wrote the constitution for the Iraqis to “ratify” and his people for damn sure wrote up the hydrocarbon laws that they wanted the Iraqis to adopt.

So, in cheney’s mind, all was going well. They were able to get nearly half of the Iraqi population, (if we are to believe them) to elect a government, that he had already helped them pre-select. Then it was just a matter of corrupting whomever was selected, (which probably wasn’t hard), to go along with screwing the Iraqi population at large.

So, again in cheney’s plan, we the Americans DID arrange all of that, (even though we the people did not) and the only thing that went wrong, is that some of Arabs.(more than he planned on) have resisted the conquest and occupation. He knew there would be civil strife as a result of the invasion and occupation, because more than a few experts told him. But, he probably counted on it. (less work for us if they kill each other, then we’ll “back” the winner)

It hasn’t worked out though. Bad calculations. So now, they’ve had to resort to a series of continual threats to beat Maliki’s brains out, or kick his ass, or torture him, or whatever. And, none of it does any good, (other than to shake-up Maliki) because there’s nothing HE can do about it, if the rest of the country isn’t going along. That’s where the hubris of it always smacks them in the face.
But, some of them still won’t know it, until they are flat on their asses, looking up. I think the Mouseketeers have managed to back themselves into tighter and tighter corners, which means they should be easier to nab. One net should serve for the lot of them.

Don’t worry, tomorrow Cheney will be telling us he “misspoke” when he said he was wrong.

In case anyone hasn’t signed the petition to impeach Cheney one can be found at:

http://www.democrats.com//organize

There’s also one there to impeach Alberto Gonzales.  Although, I’m sure you can find these in more than one place here on the net.

Quote “...the fact that we were in the midst of holding three elections in Iraq, elected an interim government, then ratifying a constitution, then electing a permanent government...”

No, you goose, “we” weren’t holding any elections - the Iraqi people were; “we” weren’t ratifying anything, the Iraqi people were. The government in Iraq is Iraqi, not American or coalition.

Despite the fact that Condoleeza Rice threatened Maliki that she would “beat his brains out”, she hasn’t the difficulty of living in that hell every day. Ask the US troops there.

What does “wrong” really mean? Is it that they haven’t succeeded to extract enough in arms deals from the M.East? Did they really want to test out a few nuclear devices in Iran?

Or, perhaps it is that the continued high price of oil they have engendered by invading Iraq is actually harming the US and the world’s economy.

What to say about this stellar official? He may be one gun-blasting, murderous bombing, corporate-money-raking gun-of-a-gun, but he’s our gun-of-a-gun? What blessed land deserves this full of vice president? What contest in whose hell did we win? The corporate coffers – though not their employees’ accounts – threaten to explode with the amount of government and oil money this vice leader is cashing through. Who cares that it is stained Iraqi (etc) blood red? O to be the vice leader, and company. Ain’t it rich?

Dick Powerdrunk – the stellar full of Vice President…

http://apragmaticpolicy.wordpress.com/2007/04/06/direc t-line-to-the-people/

Cheney is such a disgusting public figure.

My earliest memory was when I was Three. I was standing in a bathroom with my mother. She said,"I thought you said you didn’t poop you’re britches.” Even then I had an uncanny sense of timing. I said, “Mommy I guess I was wrong, I did poop myself!”

Cheney thinks we are all inferior fools. He thinks we will take this as some kind of an admission of human frailty.

We know better and we are better than he is. He just lied better to get where he is today. One of the most reviled Americans ever. Moreso than Benedict Arnold.

Impeach this self-important fool now!

Dick Cheney is the biggest wanker alive! I hate him like the rest of the world hates him.

This is only an admission of what we’ve always known all along, based on the real agenda. The real agenda has been a 21st Century campaign to colonize Iraq. Cheney did not expect any resistance, from anyone other than Saddam, and what was left of his regime.

So, that’s all Cheney is admitting. He didn’t expect them to fight back at being occupied, and that’s the only place he was “wrong”. He thought they would be as easy to manipulate as the Saudis were, when we built their oil infrastructure. He got fooled though, because the Iraqis already had their own, and they have been determined to keep it.

We don’t trust that man; not now but when he was under Gerald Ford dynasty with Rumsfeld and others.

Had to admit, the title led to think the Shootist had gotten the day of the week wrong.
But to finally admit that after all this time, he was basically lying to the American People. Wow.
Never dreamed I’d see that day and live through it.
‘Course, knowing how venal, crude and unprincipled that he is, the question now becomes, What has he got in store for us? It can’t be good.
(as for living through it, there are still 4 1/2 hours to go here.)