#91133 by Fadel Abdallah on 7/31 at 12:18 pm

Oh Fadel, I do love this:

• …..”Shit, another big shit coming from the neocons warmongers before they leave office”….

Maybe I’ve just got a case of the giggles, but it does tickle me. Now on THIS, I could not have said it better myself:

• And the author of this big shit is the old maid slave Condi; the slave of the white man establishment, who never really tasted the true feeling of freedom from slavery, though slavery has been formally abolished many years ago.

You are so right on the mark here. It is she who has never really tasted the freedom from slavery, but on the other hand, she was also never subjected to the worst marks of what slavery did here, because she’s always been a “house” slave in the system, as opposed to the masses in the fields, and has therefore always had the “protection” of the white man’s establishment, as pretty much delivered to her by her father. He had already set-up up such an alliance long ago. That gigantic oil tanker with her name in gigantic letters, (sitting right there on the US Gulf Coast) is a good indication of how that connection goes.

And, this sums it up very nicely:

• …..”Instead of serving the nation as the top diplomat and trying to bring peace and diplomacy to the area, her last and only big act is to serve her evil white masters in the military industrial complex by arranging for a huge arm deal worth untold billions."…

So yep, we’ve got her number alright. Always have. She is NOT to be trusted on anything. She’s as much a danger as the others, for all of the reasons you’ve mentioned in the same post. And yes, it’s a tragedy for the people of the Middle East, as well as those of us here in the West.

The entire regime has created unprecedented damage.

#91219 by cyrena on 7/31 at 5:57 pm: “...They’ve spent the past several years “demonizing” Iran, as well as Ahmadinejad, (and some of my colleagues think it’s a question of…”the longer the name, or the difficulty in pronunciation - for them - to determines the level of demonization to be used)....”

Its easy to “demonize” little Ahmadinejad ....but not so Iran - http://www.iranian.com/Clips/2007/February/iran.html quote: “...I decided to make this video to show the world this beautiful country -
Sina Ferdosi”

Cyrena writes:

Remember how much they hollered when that UAE company was buying the rights to service our ports? Hillary got behind that, even though it was all a fake anyway. And of course Condi was in on that act as well, and started sprouting her usual, about the “message” it was sending to our “Arab neighbors” that we didn’t want them to service our ports. (like maybe we didn’t like or trust them?) Funny how they turn all Arabs into terrorists determined to wipe us out, and of whom we should all live in permanent fear.

Then, the next day, Condi is telling all of the Arab nations, that they should “reach out” to Israel. (gag, gag, gag) and then the next day, that all the rest of the world should ISOLATE Iran and Syria, (that’s every other day actually) and now, same person says we’re just gonna sell Egypt and SArabia a bunch of weapons, and GIVE Israel, a whole bunch MORE.

Never before have I seen in one place the absurdity, the blatant contradictions, laid out so well. How can anyone read Cyrena’s summary and still wonder why Arabs and Muslims regard US ‘diplomacy’ as nothing but a huge, reeking turd of deliberately insulting bullshit ?

#91036 by Non Credo on 7/31 at 6:50 am

Non Credo, (in response to my musings about Congress)

• Oh, goodness, of course not, Cyrena. Certainly this gargantuan gift to Israel will not even be debated. Merely proposing to debate it would put any politician on AIPAC’s hit list, and our Israeli-occupied corporate media would cooperate in destroying that person…

What can I say. You’re absolutely correct. (which I knew, so I guess it was a rhetorical, albeit stupid it was a stupid question)

• “Let’s see - this will be fun - what method should we use on this guy? Should we demonize him, make him invisible, or subject him to a campaign of ridicule?…

My guess is that they’ll do all of the about. They’ve spent the past several years “demonizing” Iran, as well as Ahmadinejad, (and some of my colleagues think it’s a question of…”the longer the name, or the difficulty in pronunciation - for them - to determines the level of demonization to be used).

But, that’s for the Middle Eastern subjects…those Arabs. For any of our OWN, (who might try to act against this) it’ll be more like what they did to the Wilsons, or to Cynthia McKinney, or to Cindy Sheehan, or to Martin Luther King, Jr, or to those nine US attorneys who were fired, not to mention the one that was actually killed.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/073007S.shtml

I’m convinced that “disappearing” all of them has probably always been the preferred method, but when we come to people who would actually –be MISSED- it’s more effective to ruin them socially and financially.

So, that’s what we should expect, which is why there won’t be any debate.

Remember how much they hollered when that UAE company was buying the rights to service our ports? Hillary got behind that, even though it was all a fake anyway. And of course Condi was in on that act as well, and started sprouting her usual, about the “message” it was sending to our “Arab neighbors” that we didn’t want them to service our ports. (like maybe we didn’t like or trust them?) Funny how they turn all Arabs into terrorists determined to wipe us out, and of whom we should all live in permanent fear.

Then, the next day, Condi is telling all of the Arab nations, that they should “reach out” to Israel. (gag, gag, gag) and then the next day, that all the rest of the world should ISOLATE Iran and Syria, (that’s every other day actually) and now, same person says we’re just gonna sell Egypt and SArabia a bunch of weapons, and GIVE Israel, a whole bunch MORE.

And no, so far…Hillary hasn’t said a word this time. And, unless I’ve missed it, neither has anyone else, with the exception of those two Congress guys, whose names I can’t remember.

And, if we take to the streets in protest? Well, that used to work, back in the day. But, there are all of these police state laws in place now. It sort of has a tendency to dampen any activities like that.

Meantime, yep...this IS an emergency, and we are in full blown crises.

No, its NOT a “20 billion Mid-East arms deal”. Its a $63 billion arms + munitions manufacturers’ dream! Add it up, yes there’s $20 billion for S.Arabia and the Emirates but ALSO $13 billion for Egypt plus the $30 billion “military aid” to Israel. Its enough to make you sick!

Old West Law and Order comes to Old Middle East.

In classic fashion, guns are passed out to everyone in anticipation of the big showdown. Once the shooting begins, the last man standing wins!

I guess we could call this Bush style diplomacy.

But what do we call it if our dim-bulb congressers approve it?

Last stand of the “OK"s corraled?

Lefty, below is the link to the article, from Britain’s ‘’Independent’’, about the US having to BUY BULLETS FROM ISRAEL.

Naturally, the point made in the article is not, as it should be:

“What the hell is the US doing having to pay Israel for desperately needed bullets? Why the hell is Israel charging the US for bullets to fight a war that the US undertook largely at Israel’s insistence and for Israel’s predicted benefit? It sure is stupid of them to be funding Israel’s military and then have to turn around and buy ammunition from them - probably at premium prices, too! Boy are those Americans dumb!”

Instead, the focus of the article is: “Gee, those Americans must be lousy shots, to be using up so many bullets with so few enemy corpses to show for it! Boy are those Americans dumb!”

“US forced to import bullets from Israel [etc]”

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article31 4944.ece

From #91078 by nefertiti on 7/31 at 8:53 am:

[nefertiti writes:]

“Most of the Media in the world is owned or controlled by Israel’s friends and supporters; anything that could hurt Israel’s image or reputation is not highlighted “
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REALLY, nefertiti? Say it ain’t so! Does that mean there’s no tooth fairy, either?

Quote :Why is the headline here “$20 billion arms deal for Saudi Arabia”, and not “$30 billion additional arms deal for Israel”?
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Non Credo , Most the Media in the world is owned or controlled by Israel’s friends and supporters , anything that could hurt Israel image or reputation is not highlighted .

ender

I loathe Saudi Arabia (and I am Arab) but education is not from Mullahs in saudi but in Proper well funded schools , colleges and universities . saudi spends a lot of money on the schools and colleges . I saw a group of Saudi young women at campus talking to Karen Hughes from the US , i was amazed at their US Accent kind of English without a heavy Arabic accent. Most Schools are equipped with laboratories and COmputers and Best Libraries there is . but many of these Educated students end up hating their regime . many can not find jobs , many are so rich and so spoilt and lazy because the staff does everything for them from maids at home , cooks , private driver etc…

re: #91071 by farmertx on 7/31 at 8:36 am:

I have lost patience for the moment. The widely promulgated delusions which drove us to war and are driving us into more wars should pathetically, obviously false by now to everyone.

And this is an emergency. The combination of Bush’s cruelty and incompetence, the greed of the arms industry, and the manipulation of our government by the government of Israel are very, very rapidly bringing us to ruin. I mean real RUIN. I don’t have TIME to mull this over nicely with people who still don’t get it, explaining everything patiently from the ground up in every post.

Get knowledgeable real fast, farmertx, or expect to be treated with contempt by those of us who have done the required reading. This is not a parlor game. We’re not just making conversation.

Lefty sorry to disagree with you but the Iranians were not involved in 9/11 unless you know something we do not know .

Folks, we are getting away from the point by name calling amongst ourselves.
Everybody has an opinion. They can’t all be right. I respect that fact.
Some statesman long ago said something along the lines of I disagree with what you say, but I’ll fight to defend your right to say it.
And that is America.
It would be just as simple to say, I think/know that you are wrong because...and list your reasons. You’d be more apt to convince someone of their error in judgement that way than by name calling.
And isn’t that the whole point of these blogs; to try and get folks on the same page in improving our country?

#90968 by Non Credo on 7/30 at 7:59 pm

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We recently RAN OUT OF BULLETS fighting the Iraq war, which we undertook FOR ISRAEL, and we had to start BUYING BULLETS FROM ISRAEL!

WE ARE BUYING BULLETS FROM ISRAEL!

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Non-Crappo, you are an IDIOT!
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The truth hurts, doesn’t it, Lefty?

from #90876 by farmertx on 7/30 at 12:42 pm:

“One big problem with the idea that this will be used to keep Iran in line is that the Saudis’ will not go against another Muslim country. Did anybody hear of a Saudi unit in Desert Storm or the current fiasco? “
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Actually, farmertx, your generalization (which Lefty echoes with idiotic ardor) that the Saudis “will not go against another Muslim country” is obvious crap to anyone with a memory.

Saudi pilots flew missions in alliance with the US in the first Gulf war (Desert Storm) against Sunni Muslim Iraq.

All the more so we could expect them to fight Shiite Iran. So please, STFU already.

Lefty, the pathetic career Jew, screams:

“Saudi Arabia [and Iran], are who the U.S. should have attacked after 9/11...”

Lefty, you are a bloodthirsty racist hysteric, trying to drown out what’s left of your conscience.

The US has no business attacking any of these countries - except to further Israel’s insane ambitions and pretensions.

#90876 by farmertx on 7/30 at 12:42 pm
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One big problem with the idea that this will be used to keep Iran in line is that the Saudis’ will not go against another Muslim country. Did anybody hear of a Saudi unit in Desert Storm or the current fiasco?
Some defense contractor has an overstock and the Shrub is doing what he does best; enable big business to make even more money.
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Exactly!  The Saudis will use their new weapons in support the arab, islamist, fundamentalist, terrorist, suicide bombing, worldwide jihad.

#90968 by Non Credo on 7/30 at 7:59 pm

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We recently RAN OUT OF BULLETS fighting the Iraq war, which we undertook FOR ISRAEL, and we had to start BUYING BULLETS FROM ISRAEL!

WE ARE BUYING BULLETS FROM ISRAEL!

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Non-Crappo, you are an IDIOT!

Re: #91036 by Non Credo on 7/31 at 6:50 am
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As you can see, even Truthdig obediently chooses the Israel lobby’s preferred headline: “$20 billion deal for the Arabs” - not “$30 billion gift to Israel”.
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Non-Crappo shoveling shit, again! 

Israel is a free democracy, which actually makes substantial contributions to the betterment of the world, but which has been under perpetual attack by its arab, islamist, fundamentalist, terrorist, suicided bombing neighbors for 60 years.  Saudi Arabia is a terrorist state.  Saudi Arabia [and Iran], are who the U.S. should have attacked after 9/11, and would have, if the Bush crime family weren’t such close friends with the Sauds and Bin Ladins, AND Bush wasn’t such a fucking corrupt crook.

Cyrena writes:

“It will be interesting, (or maybe not) to see if Congress makes any attempt to block this. I’m thinking not...”
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Oh, goodness, of course not, Cyrena. Certainly this gargantuan gift to Israel will not even be debated. Merely proposing to debate it would put any politician on AIPAC’s hit list, and our Israeli-occupied corporate media would cooperate in destroying that person: “Let’s see - this will be fun - what method should we use on this guy? Should we demonize him, make him invisible, or subject him to a campaign of ridicule?...”

As you can see, even Truthdig obediently chooses the Israel lobby’s preferred headline: “$20 billion deal for the Arabs” - not “$30 billion gift to Israel”.

#91016 by ender on 7/31 at 7:15 am
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#91016 by ender on 7/31 at 7:15 am
(34 comments total)

“Truly dessenting voices can only be heard on the Web.  I have traveled to many of the major anti war protest over the last four years, and even by our supposedly ‘liberal media’, the numbers were under reported by at least half.”

Sure, because the numbers are low.  Obviously, we are not clogging the streets with our numbers.  That’s my whole point!  If you think the web is “THE” place you are wrong, flat out, flat assed wrong!  I’m so damned paranoid I wouldn’t be surprised if you weren’t a government plant, who’s sole purpose was to convince people to stay off of the streets and via the web, complain and complain add-infinitum.  Whining is so, so wimpy!  So, we should be content to blog and blog our little hearts out so you could complete your Machiavellian fascist plot to take away the rights of the people of this once great country.  Bullshit I say, go to the damned streets god damn it!  If you don’t, you are cooked.

Truly dessenting voices can only be heard on the Web.  I have traveled to many of the major anti war protest over the last four years, and even by our supposedly ‘liberal media’, the numbers were under reported by at least half.  There is a large protest at the School of the Americas, where Saddam’s sons and Pinochet’s generals learned how to use high tech equiptment and low tech torture.  I was at the CAFTA protest in Miami where the police and 5,000 Haliburton (subsidiary) private cops blocked over half of the attendees from participating in a lawfully permitted protest.

Our most ‘liberal’ news outlets tow the gov’t line.

You can’t fk with the corporate America, particularly the defense industry.

Get real America.  We are a welfare state.  We exist to serve the welfare of the fortune 1000.

Ahhhh!  Finally...I’m hearing rage, anger, frustration, EMOTION!, PASSION!

Now, take it to the streets...it’s the only place we will be heard.  Think of the excitement, actually risking arrest for something so fundamental to our freedom!  Cindy Sheehan has been arrested more than once...feel the camaraderie with someone you have read about in the news.  Make news yourself!  Be in the news.  Maybe some congressmen will join us and the next thing you know there is a groundswell, a movement if you will (constipation relieved), that will be unstoppable because mainstream Amerika is willing to put bodies on the street.  Change Amerika to America; only we can do it.

Non Credo,

I feel it. Harp all you want. It’s beyond outrageous, just like all the rest. They aren’t even trying to fake it any more.

It will be interesting, (or maybe not) to see if Congress makes any attempt to block this. I’m thinking not, but everyday is a new surprise, eh? (or, a surprise that isn’t a surprise, since it only follows the course.)

I’m real pissed myself.

#90879

Jbart,

This would be it…
• And maybe to reinforce the Iran posturing & justification, as a prelude to.......INVASION & bombing sorties.

At least a primary goal, and make some more money on the side.

Wow, I don’t even know where to begin.  Something is just not kosher with this whole thing.  There’s definitely a story within the story here, but I’m not sure what it really is.  I learned this poem when I was a child and every time things are going on that just don’t have a logical (good or bad) sequence, the lines always come back to me.  It goes like this:

As I was going up the stair,
I met a man who wasn’t there.
He wasn’t there again today,
I wish, I wish, he’d stay away.

Hmm......something’s not what it seems...hmm....

I will admit I found it quite comical that Condi immediately left the country after her spiel.  Maybe this what GW’s hoard means by “cut and run?”

Notice: the $20 billion to the Saudis and several other countries is a SALE: they are buying this stuff - we’re not giving it to them.

But the 30 billion for Israel is a GIFT: as if the wars we bankrupt ourselves fighting for them are not gift enough.

And then, when we need bullets - as we did recently, having run out of bullets fighting the war in Iraq FOR THEM - we have to BUY the bullets from Israel, our poor dear little helpless, needy Israel, to whom we are now giving 30 more billions worth of arms.

Am I harping on this?

Goddamn right I am.

I want to scream.

Why is your goddamn headline about the 20 billion for Saudi Arabia and several other countries, and not about the 30 billion MORE for Israel, on top of what we already lavish on them, and the wars we bankrupt ourselves fighting for them?

We recently RAN OUT OF BULLETS fighting the Iraq war, which we undertook FOR ISRAEL, and we had to start BUYING BULLETS FROM ISRAEL!

WE ARE BUYING BULLETS FROM ISRAEL!

Why the goddamn hell couldn’t they just GIVE us the bullets?

And now we, who have to buy bullets from Israel, are giving THEM 30 billion dollars MORE in military aid, on top of the 3 billion a year we already give them?????

There are not enough question marks to express my flabbergastity.

Here’s the REAL headline, Truthdig:

“Israeli PM announces 30 billion US dollar US defence aid”

http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/afx/2007/07/29/af x3963706.html

Ahh, cut out all the whining, “there’s money to be made, lots and lots of money$”

Actually Bush is close buddies with the Saudi Royals, and the Bin Laden family -excluding Osama of course. In their attempt to clean their image with holy water, they fund the fundamantalist madrassas. I think the saudis are starting to realize that this just might blow up in their faces though.

LET’S SEE NOW, IN THE 80’S WE SUPPLIED IRAQ WITH CHEMICAL GAS SO THEY COULD KILL KURDS, THEN WE INVADE THEM OVER WMD’S...NOW WE GET THE SAUDI’S MASS DESTRUCTION ARMS ....WTF

RAE
On the contrary, we all seem to feel the same outrage and helpless.
The next step used to be mass protests. But, since the Shrubs’ new Exec. Order about ‘aiding terrorism’, such a demostration would surely be labeled as aiding terrorism by that eminent legal scholar, The Brown One. Least ways, as soon as Karl Rove tells him what he should say.

LET’S SEE NOW, IN THE 80’S WE SUPPLIED IRAQ WITH CHEMICAL GAS SO THEY COULD KILL KURDS, THEN WE INVADE THEM OVER WMD’S...NOW WE GET THE SAUDI’S MASS DESTRUCTION ARMS ....WTF WELL JUST WTF????

Arm deal is going along with “BLOW JOB” policy !

Biggest fraud ever put over on America?

Israel:a trojan horse w/excellent media coverage, its hands all over our wallet and the emotional development of a very sneaky and snotty little brat that can’t and won’t play in the same sandbox w/the other kids. Why?
Because Peace is simply not profitable enough for Israel.

YEAH BABY!!

Another cool AID PACKAGE for Israel---FREE MONEY, man that is the way to go.

All on the back of the american worker.

150 BILLION in the last 40+ years of AID to Israel. No state of the union is so lucky to get this kind of dole.

If this doesn’t bother you, well you really need to get some more back up because these SOBs we have in the congress and the executive will NOT STOP PAYING their annual dues with YOUR MONEY (CHARGE IT BABY) as long as they have to pay Israel what Israel is due in order to get re-elected.

All of this while we have poor people here in the United States without healthcare, without education, housing, you name it.

Now...put this under your cap...the PRIMARY REASON we were attacked on 9/11 is our support for Israel, financially and militarily.

Yet, we give FREE another 30 BILLION for 10 years.

Have we sealed the deal for another attack?

Clear to the Arabs---we’re not stopping our addiction to the appendage.

“Bush Administration officials said the arms sales are meant in part to act as a bulwark against Iran’s growing influence in the Middle East.”

This is SO outrageous it’s difficult to make any comment coherent.

WHEN are our “leaders"… oh, forget it. Our “leaders” have been completely corrupted by the military-industrial complex’s clout. There are BILLIONS and BILLIONS, as Sagan would have said, to be made in selling “arms.” The USA would, and probably has sold arms to IRAN and RUSSIA… if not the actual hardware at least the plans.

The USA doesn’t give a damn WHO it sells “arms” to - just so long as the USA retains superior numbers of those arms so as to remain the head bully on the planet.

If our “leaders” - nationally and internationally - had any GUTS or ETHICS or MORALS - they would BAN ALL ARMS SALES FROM/TO ANYONE. If you want “arms” BUILD THEM YOURSELF or GO WITHOUT.

If the people in any given country are stupid enough to allow their leaders to WASTE their nation’s hard-earned tax dollars on “arms” then they get what they deserve. There should be NO AID WHATSOEVER given to any country that spends a cent on “arms.” If you’ve got the bucks to buy the “bang” then you’ve got the money to FEED YOUR OWN DAMN POPULATION.

(Apologies and my deepest sympathies in advance to all the “little” people who are and will continue to get screwed by their own governments. I can’t do anything about it except complain. Too bad no one gives a damn what I think.)

Correct me if I’m wrong.  We’re selling the junk to the Saudis and we’re giving the junk to Egypt and Israel?  Big difference that.

What’s so is the military-industrial complex gets very nervous when threatened with peace - anywhere.  How convenient of Iran - now that Iraq is a basket case - to step in and become the excuse for the merchants of death to ply their trade.  Ever wonder where more and more of our tax dollars are going?

I’d rather have a bridge to nowhere built in Alaska than give one more cent to any country in the mideast.

That money could be used for positive projects in this country such as education which will pay dividends in the future.

Shrub and the gang don’t like to think about it, but Saudi Arabia is the MOST fundamentalist country in the world.  The royal family is well educated in the US and UK but the average joe is paid very well on the oil funded state dole, doesn’t work, and the only eduction available is from fundamentalist mullahs.  SA rides on the edge of a fundamentalist take over.  SA and Mecca are what the Taliban really want.  Don’t forget, most of the 911 group were saudis.  The taliban’s main funding is saudi, as is all of the leadership.  Saudis are largely spoiled wusses, and I’m just a little afraid that whatever armaments we sell them will be in taliban hands ten years from now.

One big problem with the idea that this will be used to keep Iran in line is that the Saudis’ will not go against another Muslim country.
Did anybody hear of a Saudi unit in Desert Storm or the current fiasco?
Some defense contractor has an overstock and the Shrub is doing what he does best; enable big business to make even more money.