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Pat Tillman Murdered?

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Posted on Jul 26, 2007
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Defense Department documents handed over to the Associated Press under a Freedom of Information Act request raised the possibility that the “friendly-fire” death of soldier and former NFL player Pat Tillman amounted to a crime.  Doctors examining Tillman’s body after he was killed in Afghanistan in 2004 told investigators that the three bullet holes in his head appeared to have been fired by an M-16 from less than a dozen yards away rather than the 100 meters or so that the military has claimed.


AP via Washington Post:

Army medical examiners were suspicious about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillman’s forehead and tried without success to get authorities to investigate whether the former NFL player’s death amounted to a crime, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.

“The medical evidence did not match up with the, with the scenario as described,” a doctor who examined Tillman’s body after he was killed on the battlefield in Afghanistan in 2004 told investigators.

The doctors—whose names were blacked out—said that the bullet holes were so close together that it appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away.

Ultimately, the Pentagon did conduct a criminal investigation, and asked Tillman’s comrades whether he was disliked by his men and whether they had any reason to believe he was deliberately killed. The Pentagon eventually ruled that Tillman’s death at the hands of his comrades was a friendly-fire accident.

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By BeachPig, September 6, 2010 at 10:27 pm Link to this comment

“If Ranger Patrick Tillman was deliberately killed he was killed on
ORDERS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE” 4 star General Wesley Clark ...
Yes folks it’s just that simple .
Senator Wellstone and his family ,JFK,RFK,JFKjr ,President FDR ,Gen George Patton, President Lincoln, President Andrew Jackson,President
Mckinley, President, Ronald Reagan,etc ,etc, etc .
Political assassinations are very common in this country and people ignore them by choosing to believe the conspiracy theory’s of the conspirators and their
propaganda implementers .
Just like the 9/11/2001 U.S.A.F. false flag terror attacks and the CONTROLLED DEMOLITIONS OF THE WTC AND THE PENTAGON .
Time to think again,any of you who care about justice and peace.
GET WITH THE TRUTH !!!
Now hold the Neo Con’s and the PNAC types accountable !

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By Ron, April 26, 2009 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment
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Its not uncommon in war to have a senior murdered. He was a popular man and Jealousy is a motive for murder. A star player that went against the grain in the sake of good, so he was offed.
Its time we started a war against the evil scum in our office. How long must we endure more murders like this of our heroes?

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By Tom, January 31, 2009 at 9:15 am Link to this comment
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One of the curious aspects surrounding the murder of Pat Tillman is the fact that the truth is definitely known by the soldiers that were with him that night.  They all know exactly what happened and how it happened.  Assassination most certainly.  The issue is who and why?  My suspicion is that his Christian Fascist fellow Rangers did the job.

  Strange how so many that profess to be Christians are filled with hatred for those that disagree with their views.  Listen to their patron saint Limbaugh for a few minutes and you get the idea.

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By DARYL W. POST, January 30, 2009 at 7:18 pm Link to this comment
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Against all odds Cardinals Make it to the Super Bowl. I am going for the Cardinals Even though I am a Buffalo Bills Fan.

I feel that the Cardinal have an Angel over there Shoulders Named PAT TILLMAN.

AGAINST ALL ODDS I FEEL THE CARDINALS WILL WIN SUPER BOWL 43 23 To 16

With Steelers Scoring First

James Number 32 Will make his Final Stand
and Score the Winning Touch Down.

DARYL W. POST
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IRVING, NEW YORK 14081

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By Mike, January 10, 2009 at 9:21 pm Link to this comment
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They burned his uniform too. Should be a strong clue as to what happened.

But this is a lame article by a lame journalist and that’s why it was left out.

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By Tom Bucy, September 15, 2007 at 10:55 am Link to this comment
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Not having all the facts before me it looks like murder.  Tillman was everything his buddy was not and held strong opinions about religion.

  The Ranger that was next to him in the “fetal position” while the supposed firefight was going on is suspect number one.  Why would he characterize himself by describing his reaction to a fire fight in such humiliating language.  Why make such a fool of himself?

  Obviously Tillman was murdered by someone that   stood very close to him.  One can see an ongoing rivalry centering around this religious nonsense that is coming from the extreme right in the US.  Apparently his “buddy” held such beliefs.  Tillman was everything he was not and paid dearly for his differing views.

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By Libby, September 13, 2007 at 8:44 pm Link to this comment
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To nonsequiter….What are we gonna do about it?
We are not fat, lazy and flatulent….we are poor
by now.  We at 72, are working our asses off just
to get by…we have had almost 7 years of an administration who does not give a damn about anyone
but their riches…their oil revenues…and killing
innocent people…Poor Pat…just happened to be
a handy prop for them…he was their recruitment
poster…
  You talk about lazy, arrogant bastards…just look
at who occupies the white house today…with a whopping 5% approval rating…and we still cannot
touch him….How do I…a 72 yr.old grandmother from
the midwest….impeach this bastard?  Huh..i did
not vote for him…I knew his war in Iraq was phoney
and all of you…out there…who crossed the line
and voted for him….are just as guilty…

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By Pat Tillman, August 11, 2007 at 4:45 am Link to this comment
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Yeah, the powder burn thing is important, since it was a 3-round burst with the muzzle resting on my forehead. I was already nearly paralyzed from all the other hits. Had to lay there and take it. Sorry ...

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By Peatmoss, August 1, 2007 at 8:40 pm Link to this comment
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Was Tillman cremated? In addition to the three bullets to the head were there powder burns?

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By Douglas Chalmers, July 31, 2007 at 11:19 pm Link to this comment

#91145 by valupak on 7/31 at 1:11 pm: “...if this isn’t done, no soldier is safe from a similar death. That soldier who is owed $500 in a big poker bet, or the soldier who pissed-off someone by too much teasing, or the soldier who made his comrade a little jealous by dancing with his wife back home in the NCO Club, all soldiers like these are in danger of meeting with Tillman’s fate….”

I have come across people like this ....and it is safer to avoid them. Its all in their own head(s) but the real problem most probably stems from jealousy. Worse than mad dogs, they will even attack you while you are lying down asleep.

I guess that Tillman found himself in a position, too, where he was lying down (taking cover) and someone (the friendly-fire guy) simply walked over and popped him while he was pinned down. it was too alte to avoid the situation. Sorry to be blunt.

You would have to ask the question why does the army like to have those kind of people in the service these days?

#90948 by iraqvet on 7/30 at 6:33 pm: “...Three shots from an M-16 to the forehead means one of the following:  1.  Somebody shot him deliberately from a very close range, someone who was trained to shoot close groups.  The shooter was too close to have possibly mistaken him for an enemy combatant, Taliban or non-soldier .......Rangers do not fire indiscriminately, they are highly trained and highly professional.  They do not simply shoot at anything that moves, they identify their targets; they are used to working shooting problems and practice fire and maneuver tactics constantly.  Rangers do not accidently shoot other Rangers, someone violated their Ranger creed, their soldiers creed, the laws of the United States and murdered Tillman….”

Were Rangers the only US/coalition forces there that day?

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By valupak, July 31, 2007 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment
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Iraqvet finally has me convinced: Tillman’s case absolutely, positively MUST be investigated as a murder, and not stopped until a suspect is indicted.

Why?

Because if this isn’t done, no soldier is safe from a similar death. That soldier who is owed $500 in a big poker bet, or the soldier who pissed-off someone by too much teasing, or the soldier who made his comrade a little jealous by dancing with his wife back home in the NCO Club, all soldiers like these are in danger of meeting with Tillman’s fate.

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By iraqvet, July 30, 2007 at 7:33 pm Link to this comment
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I am an Iraq War Army Vet, a “schoolhouse” (school trained) military sniper as well with nearly 20 years military experience. 

Three shots from an M-16 to the forehead means one of the following: 

1.  Somebody shot him deliberately from a very close range, someone who was trained to shoot close groups.  The shooter was too close to have possibly mistaken him for an enemy combatant, Taliban or non-soldier. 

2.  Somebody shot him deliberately from 50 to 100 meters over iron sights or with an ACOG sight.  If they could see well enough to shoot this tight a group they were both highly trained AND their vision was acute enough to identify their target conclusively. 

3.  Somebody shot him deliberately from a longer range with a scoped weapon.  Since a scope was used, positive identification of Tillman as a friendly was not only possible, it was probable and in fact definite. 

4.  On burst mode (3 rounds) a tight group such as 3 to the forehead is impossible, these were not 3 accidental shots they were 3 deliberately and carefully placed shots. 

Rangers do not fire indiscriminately, they are highly trained and highly professional.  They do not simply shoot at anything that moves, they identify their targets; they are used to working shooting problems and practice fire and maneuver tactics constantly.  Rangers do not accidently shoot other Rangers, someone violated their Ranger creed, their soldiers creed, the laws of the United States and murdered Tillman. 

Pat Tillmans personal effects were not lost.  Rangers do not dishonor their fallen comrades by losing their personal effects or worse, participate in destroying them for the sake of partisan politics.  REAL Rangers are not afraid of the truth. 

This is quite obviously a murder but even if it isn’t, what harm would a FULL CID Investigation do, especially if everyone involved is as innocent as the are claiming to be?

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By Douglas Chalmers, July 30, 2007 at 3:54 pm Link to this comment

Quote: “...The three-star general who kept the truth about Tillman’s death from his family and the public told investigators some 70 times that he had a bad memory and couldn’t recall details of his actions…. Army attorneys sent each other congratulatory e-mails for keeping criminal investigators at bay as the Army conducted an internal friendly-fire investigation…”

“...gunned down by fellow Rangers…” So much for “friendly-fire”. at this stage, now, people should be asking why they should bother ‘getting into uniform’ ever again.

Its all about “the enemy within” and is no longer anything to do with honor or sacrifice or duty. “Serving” one’s country by murdering one’s comrades-in-arms is something which now is in vogue since the reasons for going to Iraq ot Afghanistan are all a sham anyway.

The military-industrial complex is all about soldiers dying. That puts big $$$dollars in their corporate shareholders’ pockets. They no longer care how they die or why, if they ever did! What is to be had out of wearing a uniform any more??? You’d have to be a fool!

The real ‘war’ is at home and it is idollogies and attitudes and opinions. The real effort that needs to be “sustained” is the forthcoming fight to survive climate change. Globally, it is now about co-operation, not conflict. The schemers who want you to kill each other can be voted out.

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By Goffredo, July 30, 2007 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment

LTJ,

No need to go on the attack.  Everyone on here is entitled to their opinion.  I knew Pat personally and I know what type of human being he was.
Regarding steroids, he would have preferred to remove his own eye balls than to take them.  I’ve never seen anyone work harder in the weight room or on technique as Pat Tillman.  Therefore, “roid rage” is out of the question.

As far as Pat being a nice guy, as I stated in an earlier post, I have never met anyone as humble as Pat was.  Girls would throw themselves at him, guys wanted to be him and all Pat wanted to do was go to school, play football and talk to the one kid on campus that no one else would even look at it.

My life is better today for having spent time with him.

God bless those men and women still in harms way, who are there for all the wrong reasons.

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By nonsequitor, July 30, 2007 at 1:13 pm Link to this comment

“#90548 by Don Juan on 7/28 at 11:10 pm
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He was murdered in cold blood.  This is not the issue, the issue is: WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?

What happened? Where are the revolutionists in America?  Bush and his gang are killing Americans because they KNOW that NO ONE WILL DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT”

answer-
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?
they aren’t going to do anything about it.

Where are the revolutionists in America?
they are all consumers these days.
fat, flabby, flatulent.

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By LTJ, July 30, 2007 at 3:05 am Link to this comment
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Regarding the pathetic comment by NonCredo (as in Non-Credible?) who finds it “incredibly fascinating” that Army investigators asked if Tillman might have been disliked (a standard police question in every murder case), this “raises the possibilty” that Tillman was not a “very nice guy”.  I would say that instead it raises the absolute certainty that NonCredo is not a nice guy, or a smart guy, or even a decent human being.  He also shows an odd obsession about Tillman’s muscular neck (duh!, he was an NFL star) and assumes it must be steroid-induced.  Yeah, and I guess NonCredo’s pencil-neck geek look is from all those hours on the couch watching Oprah and talking about diets.  Yes NonCredo, real men like Tillman will always be a mystery to you, but please don’t go and have one of your little hissy fits about it….. girlfriend(?)

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By KEITH, July 29, 2007 at 8:50 pm Link to this comment
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Pat Tillman was murdered and his personal effects burnt. 168 people murdered in Oklahoma City demolition, 2 to 3 unexploded bombs found in the rubble (This wasn’t an ANFO bomb)get details here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbX5gX2t4vM
Ny City 9/11 nearly 3000 murdered. Details here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yx9NRX37SM
This among piles of evidence…What are your conclusions? Do some research into these killings.
Hope and pray that you or yours aren’t next. Cheney predicting another 9/11 this summer, a dirty bomb perhaps in a major Americvan city? If it happens direct your attention to the White House, CIA and the FBI.

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By Douglas Chalmers, July 29, 2007 at 2:38 pm Link to this comment

Well, there have been others whose lives have been uselessly and mercilessly squandered too http://www.selenaforever.com/

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By Magnifico Giganticus, July 29, 2007 at 2:34 pm Link to this comment

Thanks Verne! I was beginning to think that people were taking the question as rhetorical. So no ballistics. Whoever “they” are this time, they’re going to get away with it. I want to call it all incredible but it isn’t. This kind of injustice has become all too credible. But thanks again for answering! -MG

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By Verne Arnold, July 29, 2007 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

#90626 by Steve Hammons on 7/29 at 9:32 am
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And your point is…?

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By Hammo, July 29, 2007 at 10:32 am Link to this comment

Some of the latest published news reports on Tillman’s death now say that the fellow Ranger that Tillman is reported to have spoken harshly to, Sgt. Bryan O’Neal, says that there is no way Tillman was shot from 10 yards away.

According to O’Neal, the shooters were approximately 50 yards away, and that the other nearby Ranger unit had at least two snipers assigned to it.

O’Neal confirms he was near Tillman and says published reports about Tillman speaking to him harshly, not to waste time praying to God, and to stop “sniveling,” are inaccurate. He says Tillman would never have spoken to anyone in the unit like that.

Those comments were not taken from him by Army investigators directly, but from a military chaplain, O’Neal says, according to published news reports.

This info is in AP article on USAToday.com at:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-07-28-tillman-moments_N.htm

Direct quote from AP article below ...

His [O’Neal’s] recollections of the snipers reflected testimony in the transcripts.

One exchange, for example, with Capt. Richard Scott, who conducted the first, immediate investigation, went only so far:

Q: Are you aware whether or not any U.S. forces snipers were at the scene?

A: Scott: They were in serial two.

Q: And, and do you know whose GMV (ground mobility vehicle) they were traveling in?

A: Scott: I don’t think they were in a GMV. I think they were in a cargo Humvee.

Q: Okay. Do you know if the snipers fired any rounds during this incident involving CPL Tillman?

A: Scott: I do not, no.

[End AP article quote]

-  -  -

The whole Pat Tillman case, as well as many other problematic situations, seem to remind us that we need to be thorough intelligence gatherers ourselves, because it is sometimes difficult to determine the truth of many situations.

Thoughts on this in the article ...

“Gathering intelligence: Grassroots intel by and for the people”

http://www.populistamerica.com/gathering_intelligence_grassroots_intel_by_and_for_the_people

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By Verne Arnold, July 29, 2007 at 10:31 am Link to this comment

#90616 by ardee on 7/29 at 9:05 am
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Now, that sounds like a good idea.  I hope it was satire.  Sometimes we/I miss the force for the trees.  Jeez, these are such trying times.  Unfortunately, humor gets lost at the most inopportune times. 

Anyway, thanks for the reality check.

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By ardee, July 29, 2007 at 10:05 am Link to this comment

#90593 by Verne Arnold on 7/29 at 7:14 am
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Dude, I have been so very guilty of the same , missing satire and such, as to have an apology prewritten…..

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By Verne Arnold, July 29, 2007 at 8:14 am Link to this comment

#90581 by ardee on 7/29 at 6:19 am
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Hmmm…point taken.  Maybe I did jump the “gun” so to speak.  We do get some rather “serious” religious types at times.  I guess I’ll wait to see the response, possibly with my hat in hand.

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By ardee, July 29, 2007 at 7:19 am Link to this comment

Now, now Mr. Arnold… perhaps this poster was assigning blame rather than expressing support for this heinous action. The motivation for that one liner is far from clear. However it is spelled AthEIst…...

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By Verne Arnold, July 29, 2007 at 7:00 am Link to this comment

#90340 by captmorgan on 7/28 at 6:33 am
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Three rounds to the forehead from an M-16 at,“ten yard or so.” Pat Tillman was an Athiest-one for the father, one for the son, and one for the holy ghost?

What in the world can anyone say to your obvious illness?  You dishonor the very religion you profess.  You dishonor the very one you claim to follow.

In the kindest words I can muster…you are one fucked up human being!

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By BIG JOHN, July 29, 2007 at 2:55 am Link to this comment
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THANKS FOR THE GOOD INSITE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
BUT THIS WAR AND ALL WARS WILL BE ABOUT POWER AND MONEY. IRAQ AND ITS NEIGHBORS ARE A PERFECT FIT FOR THE OIL CONGLOMERATES AND DEFENSE INDUSTRY. NOW SAUDI ARABIA WILL BE REWARDED WITH 20 BILLION DOLLARS OF AMERICAN WEAPONRY. THE WAR WILL CONTINUE ON SO RICH CAN EXPERIENCE NEW RICHES. PAT TILLMAN IS ONLY A GOOD SUBJECT FOR THESE PEOPLE WHILE SITTING IN A THAI SAUNA.

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By Verne Arnold, July 29, 2007 at 12:24 am Link to this comment

#90407 by Magnifico Giganticus on 7/28 at 10:26 am
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Is it known if ballistics were done (or however it’s phrased - I don’t watch CSI!)on the bullets? Were they all from the same gun? However unlikely it is that he may have (in my speculation that is) just happened to be hit by three different bullets in the same spot, I think it is far less likely that he was hit from 100 meters in such a small area by one gun. You don’t have to watch CSI to know that you’d have to take three aimed shots at a distance like that, even without recoil. So if it can be shown that they all came from the same gun then the probability that he was shot at any kind of distance - and thus accidentally - is small enough to be nil. But what do I know.

Yes, you are basically correct.  No sniper could have done that.  Besides, true snipers use 30 cal and up, not 22 cal like the M-16.  More likely it was one man very close…..M-16’s have a three shot burst capability (pull the trigger once and three full-auto shots fire).  At close range (10 yds.) it puts three shots very close together.  As the range increases the shot disbursment does also.

It’s very unlikely those bullet were recoverable.  The .223 is a relatively high velocity round, even when fired from the M-4 carbine.  It’s also very unlikely anybody would have thought to look.

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By Don Juan, July 29, 2007 at 12:10 am Link to this comment
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He was murdered in cold blood.  This is not the issue, the issue is: WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?

What happened? Where are the revolutionists in America?  Bush and his gang are killing Americans because they KNOW that NO ONE WILL DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT

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By nikto, July 28, 2007 at 9:36 pm Link to this comment
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It was well-known that Tillman kept a diary—long-since burned to ashes by now by murderous operatives.

What would you give to have that diary back, and its contents published?

Just another reason why Bu$hCo probably
wanted him dead, IMO.

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By DennisD, July 28, 2007 at 8:38 pm Link to this comment
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Everything that’s been filtered through this administration’s various doublespeak departments have proven to be lies. Why should this be any different. Truth, justice and the American way. Just another f**king myth that never was.

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By Frank Cajon, July 28, 2007 at 8:09 pm Link to this comment

Not even the military now denies that Tillman was fragged. The way his fragging was announced as a death in combat, making him the temporary poster boy for the BushCheneyReich’s Iraq blitzkrieg, by the military chain of command all the way up to CIC, is a war crime. Sure, a CIA agent could have done it on orders, do you think the American people are ever going to be told the truth? I think it is a miracle we found out it was a fragging.

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By ardee, July 28, 2007 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment

#90476 by Peggy Buryj on 7/28 at 3:30 pm
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Dear Mrs. Buryj,
May you find peace in your heart and may you know that every decent American honors your sons service and your own terrible loss.

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By Peggy Buryj, July 28, 2007 at 4:30 pm Link to this comment
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I am the mother of Spc. Jesse Buryj who was killed by friendly fire not 3 weeks after Pat Tillman.  We buried Jess not knowing he was shot.  We were told that a truck ran a checkpoint and hit Jess’s humvee and he sustained internal injuries and died.  It took us nearly a year to get our first death breifing at which time the Army said that Jesse did die from friendly fire but it was “suspected but not proven” that the Polish army was responsible.  Two and a half year and two investigations later there is no proving who shot my son.  I knew the first investigation was a joke and pushed for another.  I was very pleased when I managed to have the Army collect the weapons for ballistic comparisons which would of proved that an American soldier had shot him.  Well,,,  how convenient that the Army had “mistakenly” thrown away the bullet nearly a year before.  DO NOT MAKE THIS A CHRISTIAN THING.  My son was a Christian and so am I.  This is about lieing to families when they should be telling the truth.  Nobody wants to be handed a load of crap when all they want is to know what happened to their son.  The Army motto should be fix it up cover it up.  I feel that my son died for his country but I’m so sick of the BS some of my military families are going through.  I have never once felt that our government has once honored my son.  Mary Tillman will not stop till this stops at the White House.  God Bless.  Hell hath no fury like a pissed off mother.  Thank you Pat.  Thank you Mary for standing up for whats right.

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By Paolo, July 28, 2007 at 3:29 pm Link to this comment

Gottfredo,

Thanks for the info on the “wrapped in the flag carrying the cross” quote. I think it was Sinclair Lewis.

Anyway, “wrapped in the flag carrying the cross” is a perfect description of Bush era, red-state fascism. I get a little queasy writing it also.

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By Goffredo, July 28, 2007 at 1:08 pm Link to this comment

Paolo,

The writer was either Noam Chomsky or Sinclair Lewis, and it goes, “If Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag carrying a cross.”

Just typing that gives me the chills…

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By Mudwollow, July 28, 2007 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment

This is all starting to remind me of the Lee Harvey Oswald grassy knoll fairytale. Let’s see if they get away with this one as well as they got away with that one.

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By Paolo, July 28, 2007 at 12:34 pm Link to this comment

Pat Tillman was growing disillusioned with the war in Iraq. He had even begun contacting writers (like Noam Chomsky) to express his concerns.

This was too much for the Bush Crime Family. So, they had him offed.

This is, of course, bad enough. But then they had the temerity to weave a myth about his dying heroically as he led his troops into battle against “the terrorists.” Yes, he was a true, loyal American, dedicated to fighting for the truth as put forth by the Bush Crime Family.

Even pondering the sheer cynicism of the Bush Crime Family is using Pat Tillman in this manner is enough to turn anyone’s stomach.

The Nazis and Soviets were famous for such myth-making. An early Nazi street thug named Horst Wessel was lionized in this manner. He was basically your typical street-corner lout, ready to pick a fight with anyone. When he discovered Nazism, he beat people up while wearing a brown shirt and swastika. Shortly thereafter, he was killed in a street altercation, probably in a fight over a girlfriend. The Nazis then started building a myth about how he died leading his fellow troops into a hail of gunfire against the evil bolsheviks. They even wrote the “Horst Wessel Song” that was sung at most future Nazi rallies.

The glorification of the street thug, Horst Wessel, is almost comical. But even the Nazis didn’t off the poor half-wit themselves before turning him into a folk hero. The Bush Crime Family did.

A writer (I don’t recall which) once said that when fascism came to America, it would come wrapped in the flag. Boy, did he hit the nail on the head.

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By Magnifico Giganticus, July 28, 2007 at 11:26 am Link to this comment

Is it known if ballistics were done (or however it’s phrased - I don’t watch CSI!)on the bullets? Were they all from the same gun? However unlikely it is that he may have (in my speculation that is) just happened to be hit by three different bullets in the same spot, I think it is far less likely that he was hit from 100 meters in such a small area by one gun. You don’t have to watch CSI to know that you’d have to take three aimed shots at a distance like that, even without recoil. So if it can be shown that they all came from the same gun then the probability that he was shot at any kind of distance - and thus accidentally - is small enough to be nil. But what do I know.

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By ardee, July 28, 2007 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

It is known that Tillman was keeping a journal, it was also known that he was increasingly out of favor with the Iraqi invasion. As a combatant on the ground he had access to first hand information regarding the prosecution of this terrible war.

Given that his enlistment was used by this administration as a propaganda tool and he was pictured as the prototypical American patriot it would have been a nail in the coffin to have him coming out as an opponent of our policies and actions in Iraq.

It is rather apparent that Tillman was murdered, it is obvious what the motive quite probably was, but the details evade us still…..My money is on Blackwater employees….

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By Michael Runyan, July 28, 2007 at 10:08 am Link to this comment
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Tillman’s murder and the subsequent coverup reveals the depths to which an established democracy can become corrupted by individuals who forfeit the sanctity of reason for illogical beliefs bathed in fantasy.

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By 1drees, July 28, 2007 at 9:46 am Link to this comment
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Just to add to your guys attention, i do realize that you guys are worried about your country & what your governement is doing to it, Please Remember that your governement is a LIAR,  Also remember that the Native Americans died screaming “white men speak with Forked tongue” ( Their way of saying LIARS) AND WITH THESE ONGOING lies, lies , lies & MORE LIES your people have declared an open hunting season on Muslims & Islam, not only in Iraq but Globally, seems All the Muslims are supposed to get used to the checks & interrogations and as some westerners believe in White Supremacy maybe that is why they cannot fathom the gross injustice to that religion & All Muslim People. And then most probably you guys either cant do anything about it or just arent intrested in this aspect of your governements actions. right?

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By captmorgan, July 28, 2007 at 7:33 am Link to this comment
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Three rounds to the forehead from an M-16 at,“ten yard or so.”  Pat Tillman was an Athiest-one for the father, one for the son, and one for the holy ghost?

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By Bleeding Heart, July 28, 2007 at 6:41 am Link to this comment
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Goffredo,

This story makes me sick beyond belief. In many ways it is a soliloquy of tradgedy and a metaphor for the war and the administration (if of course, my conclusions are accurate).  Its a microcosm of the murder of our nation’s values and character. 

I, like most, never knew him, but as an outsider looking in, Pat Tillman was the portrait of nobility, success, character, patriotism, courage and strength.  If what I think happened actually did, the Pat Tillman tradgedy is parable of what this administration has killed in our nation, through lies, deception, deceipt, destruction, vengence, and cowardice.  The worst in us all’s triumph over our best. 

My heart and prayers go out to the Tillman family.  They should be proud of their son and the good he reprents - regardless of what happened to him.

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By Chaseme, July 28, 2007 at 6:36 am Link to this comment
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Another person, aside from the bush gang, well, I guess he is in part a gang member; John McCain should be called into question regarding the cover up of Tillman’s death.

We, the people have to begin forming the right questions in order to get descent answers. I am not an expert, nor do I consider myself one, but somehow we all seem to be asking the same questions and we are getting the same structured answers.

What if those on the inside, those who are more aware of what happened, would have questions of ‘Why’ things played out the way they did? Not necessarily a statement about what transpired, like we see in the movies when an eyewitness is found living on a lake, completely separated from society, because they can no longer live with what they know. But, someone who goes to work daily and have an itch that makes life a tad bit unsettling, because there was a kink in how things played out. Know what I mean?

There are some who believes that Pat Tillman simply sold out and deserved what he got by going into the military. There are others who believes Tillman’s death was intentional in order to outrage Americans, young Americans especially, to promote the military and maintain cannon fodder for this outrageous and fictitious war. (If only Michael Vick had joined the military). Then, there are those who believe Tillman just got it from the “low life Muslim Taliban.”

What if Tillman was a CIA agent, would that change our view of him? What if he was actually drafted by McCain’s office as a poster person for the war? What if he really believed he was doing the “right” thing? What if he just wanted to know what it was like to kill some “sand n*****s”?

How we view Tillman has nothing to do with how far the military and this administration went to cover up his death? The thing for we, the people to do are begin to form and ask the right questions, in order to get decent answers.

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By Douglas Chalmers, July 27, 2007 at 5:44 pm Link to this comment

#90076 by Steve Hammons on 7/27 at 9:46 am: “...Here in Phoenix, Arizona, where Tillman was a top football athelete at Arizona State University and for the Cardinals, this story was front page today in our major daily paper, The Arizona Republic .....Three bullets to the forehead at a range of approximately 10 yards, according to the military doctors who examined the body—common sense indicates this was an intentional homicide. But why…?”

JEALOUSY!

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By Goffredo, July 27, 2007 at 4:15 pm Link to this comment

Richard,

I agree.  I am in the business of medieval literature and was simply making a reference to the Inferno of La Commedia by Dante Alighieri.  I often make references to Christian texts to combat the twisted Christian logic in modern times.  I find that it swiftly disarms them, much quicker than using standard logic.

I do not call myself a Christian in the sense that I am a follow of Jesus Christ.  My elements are simple.  First, I believe in a Higher Power and second, it’s not me.  I would classify myself as more spiritual than religious.

Pat was certainly not a “cogito, ergo sum” but rather a “faceo, ergo sum”.

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By carlito paquito, July 27, 2007 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment
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here i thought it was only the spanish? sad:(

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By Goffredo, July 27, 2007 at 3:54 pm Link to this comment

Bleeding Heart,

Tillman was killed after the invasion of Iraq, about the time when Afghanistan was being moved to second-page news and L. Paul Bremer had just fired 450,000 Iraqi soldiers.  It may have become apparent to Tillman (college grad and certainly not short on life experience) that they were sent to Afghanistan to chase a ghost and that they were a decoy for the plans to invade Iraq.  Pat and I used to share the same perspective on many things.  One line of thought I know for certain Pat held: if you say you’re going to bring me two apples, don’t bring me four bananas.  Pat lived by truth.  Even if he fucked up, he owned up to it…always. 

The fact is that Bush went on television and told an entire nation that Saddam had WMD’s and that Iraq was responsible for 9-11, and then promised to hunt down Bin Laden.  He has not done or proven any of these things and Pat probably saw that there was never any truth behind it from the beginning.

This is beyond comprehension for me.  I guess I was accepting that my friend had been killed by the circumstances of war, albeit a war that I oppose.  Nonetheless, senseless death in that situation happens frequently.  But to have an investigation that is showing that he was killed with three bullets to the head from close range saddens me beyond words.  That most likely Pat was doing what he always did: speak the truth and stand up for what he believed in.  And he was murdered for doing so.

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By Richard, July 27, 2007 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment
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I hope I didn’t come across as any kind of a Christian. Like Tillman, I am an atheist.

Is it really such a sick thing to have a mind of your own? Would you rather hear soothing platitudes from the murderers in uniform, demogogues in suits and rapists in robes?

Better not count on justice from the imaginary Michael. From what I have read of Tillman, he would have advocated using your own free will and political power to demand a change of leadership.

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By Mudwollow, July 27, 2007 at 2:55 pm Link to this comment

We can all speculate but exposing the real truth is much more difficult. Fortunately there’s a bright side. Thanks to Mr. Bush and Alberto Gonzales, we can now torture Dick Cheney (after his impeachment of course) to see if we can get him to tell us what really happened. If Dick dies in torture, with his bad heart and all, we can move on to King George. Spoiled preppy George would probably sing like a canary after a few well-placed electrodes. Isn’t torture great. Thanks Alberto.

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By sophrosyne, July 27, 2007 at 2:54 pm Link to this comment
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The Tillman tragedy is part of of much larger pattern of lies and deceit that have characterized this unnecessary and tragic war.  Iraqis have suffered mightily but America has suffered blows to its moral leadership, material well being and its future.  Americans willlong curse this war as much as they have cursed the dishonest and unnecessary Vietnam war.

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By Tom, July 27, 2007 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment
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Why do so very few news agencies (even HuffPo!!) not have this as their FRONT PAGE BIG NEWS STORY? This is the MOST important piece of news to have come up since September 11th and the invasion of Iraq!!

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By Minneapolis Dave, July 27, 2007 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment
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Goffredo - your sentiments regarding the eventual retribution the “leaders” of our country will someday face is one of the few things that keeps me sane during these times.

There seems to be little that we (as a country) can do to convince our leaders (Repubs and Dems - politicians 1 and 1A) that they represent US-the people - and not solely their own objectives. 

When the Dems were elected - there was a glimmer (dim) of hope that they would act on their promises of change, but when they are fed by the same hand, change comes slowly if at all. 

This situation will only change when the monetary gains and opportunities have run out.

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By Reality Checker, July 27, 2007 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment

Tillman was assassinated by the group with the motive.

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By Erica, July 27, 2007 at 1:45 pm Link to this comment
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It’s so sad that there even needs to be these kind of deceptive situations, but that is apparent in all wars. But wars are unecessary when we can solve our problems peacefully and with humanitarian efforts. We can solve poverty, which 78% of americans agree would fight terrorism effectively [borgen project].

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By guntotin ganglion, July 27, 2007 at 1:45 pm Link to this comment
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This administration is a slime-pit…it’s just one thing after another! One thing I am certain of is, the worst has yet to be revealed. The crime family that has the government in a headlock will eventually be revealed for what they are…but the Tillman case seems to be something a bit different.

There is no argument they can make to justify “executive privilege” in the Tillman case…other than, they were directly involved in dishonoring this honorable man, and they know that if this is discovered, they will be stripped of the endless spin and pretense they’ve been shoveling for so long. Their lies and crimes will be exposed. And how ironic that the death of an American football hero could be the lynch pin for this entire bloody mess.

If Pat’s death can help to expose the criminals in this administration, then perhaps his family will regain some of the honor that will give his death meaning. It’s certain that nothing the administration does will recover anything of this sort, because, as with all the service people who have died in The Decider’s “wars”, they are just windowdressing to be used for political advantage, regardless of the dishonor of lying about how they died. This gang of thugs knows nothing of honor and duty, all they know is how to grab political power with a torrent of endless lies and secrecy. The secrecy of course, being used to cover up the lies.

One simple truth is this, every single claim of “executive privilege” by these miscreants is an attempt to cover up crimes against humanity, this country, it’s citizens and the citizens of the world. There’s only one solution…

Jail to the Chief…and all his Bushie Orcs!

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By QuyTran, July 27, 2007 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment

The DOD now becomes a huge and uncleaned TOILET !

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By 1drees, July 27, 2007 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment
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the thing is that this is the new Century & as Rumsfeld put it ” every century brings its set of wars” ( if you can believe that) and so there is going to be plenty of American wars & many like Tillman will be feed for the wars, of course they will shed crocodile tears to encourage the hirings for the Forces, But they dont really care about anyone except for the zionist masters. The Magic Word is NEW WORLD ORDER and USa is out to bring that change about no matter how many billing they gotta kill or how many lies they need to tell. BUT what needs to be looked into is the resons for his murder, coz in IRAQ, A LOT HAPPENS and we hear about it a couple of months later thanks to the blackout on iraq by the Zionist media & the US govt, who do manage to apint the rosiest pictures everyday & quiet shamelessly. Pat Tillman or XYZ, just another canon fodder.

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By Goffredo, July 27, 2007 at 12:53 pm Link to this comment

I went to ASU with Tillman.  I lived 2 doors from Jake Plummer and we all used to play Madden ‘92 on Sega for hours and weekends.  What heated games we had! Although some of those football players at times could be arrogant, Pat was the kind of guy that would talk to anyone on campus.  His normal attire was ripped up shorts, a white t-shirt and old flip-flops.  He rode a cruiser or walked to class.  The guy was about as humble as you can get.

I am not only saddened by these findings but very angered.  It seems the deceptions to this war know no depths.  Just when you think you’ve heard it all there’s more to it.

Shame on the White House, the Pentagon and on all of those who have profited from this ugly and illegal war. 

When these individuals take their last breath, the Archangel Michael will have no argument when Lucifer comes to rightfully take their soul.

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By d.alon, July 27, 2007 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment
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Bleeding Heart:

His death came after the invasion of Iraq, but that does not change the fact that he could have been a major thorn in the side of the Middle East agenda at a time when everything seemed to be going according to plan.  Back in ‘04, a large majority of the public still supported the “war on terror”, the invasion of Iraq, and moreover, were clueless as to the far reaching scope of the agenda (well, I guess most still are).  This article seems to support what you say:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/270707tillmanexecuted.htm

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By Richard, July 27, 2007 at 11:22 am Link to this comment
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If Tillman had been a Christian, he would still be alive. He would have been exactly the right-wing poster child that leadership expected of a man who gave up the NFL to go find Bin Laden. They would have kept him nice and safe so he could reinforce their talking points on TV.

Following his suspicious death, their main talking point was clear: Pat’s family is only trying to stir up shit because they don’t have the peace of Christ.

Lt. Col. Ralph Kauzlarich (nicknamed “Col. Catholic”) went on ESPN and delivered the clear message from our ridiculously religious leadership:

“When you die, I mean, there is supposedly a better life, right? Well, if you are an atheist and you don’t believe in anything, if you die, what is there to go to? Nothing. You are worm dirt.”

The dirt is in the Pentagon, the White House and Rome, but they are so self-righteous that they believe their own lies. Onward Christian soldiers. Line up and salute. Kneel down and pray. Everybody stay in a nice, neat little line. Most importantly, don’t question the bosses of our new theocracy or you’ll get three bullets in the forehead.

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By Hammo, July 27, 2007 at 10:46 am Link to this comment

Here in Phoenix, Arizona, where Tillman was a top football athelete at Arizona State University and for the Cardinals, this story was front page today in our major daily paper, The Arizona Republic.

Three bullets to the forehead at a range of approximately 10 yards, according to the military doctors who examined the body—common sense indicates this was an intentional homicide. But why?

If a fellow Ranger wanted to “frag” Tillman for some reason, would such a huge coverup occur just to protect the publicity value of Tillman’s enlistment and service? Maybe.

But what if it was something more?

Tillman joined the Rangers after 9/11 to get Osama bin Laden. Tillman reportedly was cynical about the invasion and occupation of Iraq, and stated he felt it was illegal, according to some published reports.

Whatever the truth of the situation, this revelation about Tillman’s death will probably remind people of the many “fragging” deaths of U.S. military officers during the Vietnam War.

This new information about Tillman’s killing may further erode optimism about the invasion and occupation of Iraq, as well as how the efforts in Afghanistan have gone. Faith in our military leaders might also be affected.

Thoughts on some of this in the article ...

Americans felt turning points on Vietnam, Iraq in ‘70, ‘07

PopulistAmerica.com (Populist Party of America)
July 14, 2007

http://www.populistamerica.com/americans_felt_turning_points_on_vietnam_iraq_in_70_07

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By Mudwollow, July 27, 2007 at 9:49 am Link to this comment

How interesting. Apparently we now need to make Tillman into an evildoer so we can discount is murder. Sometimes you just don’t know who to trust in this world. One thing for sure though, we know our government always tells us the truth. Especially in times of (undeclared) war. Especially when that war was predicated on false pretense, is costing billions per week and is benefiting only the military-industrial complex. We know for sure that our government and our media will dig deep to find out the truth so that they can twist it into something that fits the story they want us to believe.

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By Bleeding Heart, July 27, 2007 at 9:44 am Link to this comment
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That’s a serious allegation.  I have read the reports about Tillman’s belief that the war was illegal, and his intentions to become a loud public (and credible) voice against this administration.  If I’m not mistaken, his death preceeded the Iraq invasion.  Juding by the extent to which the administration went to punish a statesman like Joe Wilson, it wouldn’t surprise me what they would do to a common, lowley soldier - particularly one who has the public’s respect and ear. Viewing his death as a murder would certainly explain why they burned his belongings and lied from the outset about how he died (originally, it was said he died at the hands of the enemy).  At this point, I wouldn’t put anything past this White House - or anyone under their command.  The extent to which the trust between the citizenry and government has been so violated has been so extreme, that I would not discount any accusation as absurd or out of bounds.

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By GW=MCHammered, July 27, 2007 at 8:38 am Link to this comment
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First, my heartfelt condolences to the Tillmans for this ongoing tragedy. They seem the All American Family. May they find some peace in uncovering the truth.

As our president said in other lamentable context, this avalanche of deplorable cover-ups loom “uniquely American.” What a sad place in our history.

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By DaveF, July 27, 2007 at 7:37 am Link to this comment

I am not much of a bullet forensics expert but I think that it would be very unlikely to put 3 shots in a target as small as a head with random fire from a distance.

Even if one hit the head the impact would force the head to move so quick that for another shot to hit the head would be 1 in some astronomical number and for the 3rd shot to hit the head would send the probability numbers off the chart.

Just my thoughts

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By Todd, July 27, 2007 at 6:17 am Link to this comment
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Yeah, that is much more likely than him just pissing off one of his Ranger buddies.

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By Greg Bacon, July 27, 2007 at 5:19 am Link to this comment

What did Pat Tillman know that was so dangerous to the Bush/Cheney Junta that he was executed by his own country?

Not only was Pat hit with the sniper kill shot—aiming for the head—his personal effects were destroyed by burning.

Did Pat know something about the War on Terror, like the possibility that Bin Laden was already dead and was willing to talk?

First, the Bush/Cheney Junta has Tillman murdered, then, they initiate a
cover-up.

Goodbye USA, hello AMERIKA.

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By Tom, July 27, 2007 at 4:46 am Link to this comment
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fter reading this this morning, I’m fucking proud. And FUCKING PISSED. Why was this stuff never brought up in the investigation in the first place? Why was it all hidden? Folks, if there IS a conspiracy going on with anything in this administration, THIS is it. What a fucking cover up. What DISGUSTINGNESS. Murder? We don’t know. But covering up, and withholding information from Tillmann’s own MOTHER (not to mention the REST OF THE WORLD) because it wouldn’t play into Bush’s thirst for propaganda to hear about the Atheist in a Foxhole who got capped three times in the head from close range by his own friendlies?  Lies.

Woe on Pat Tillmann, for our country’s censorship of the truth followed him all the way to the remote mountains of Afghanistan, where he was, in his last moments, fighting to preserve and profess it.

My thoughts and heart are with the Tillmann family. May justice be served

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By valupak, July 27, 2007 at 2:47 am Link to this comment
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Should the headline be reading, “Panicky Christian Shoots Atheist in Foxhole”? I want to read complete details of this official report.

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