#88720 by archeon of thrace on 7/22 at 5:21 pm: “...ALL people begin to think about sex, fucking, getting laid, cock sucking, pussy licking, finger poking, touching, petting, cumming, as soon as they hit puberty.  YES every one....”

Yes, archie, the progressive changes in hormonal functions throughout the lives of people are never adequately addressed. Guilt and shame are never the right methods but they have been intentionally applied in the past. Some think they still should be out of fear and incompetence.

There is no real satisfactory social structure for addressing this in adolescents. Marriage at 16 is not appropriate and repressing youth while hypocritically pandering to a favored few in sporting clubs is condoning rape and abuse. There is a better way....

Menopause isn’t the only hormonal change in life but it is the only one people feel safe to talk about. Even then, men still can’t face their own ‘menopause’ when they find their bodies are unable to process estrogens, etc etc.

“In Republican Land ignorance is bliss.  Why tell a child to beware of a possible predator before they reach 6th grade? Too bad predators don’t wait that long.” - From #88635 by Marjorie L. Swanson

This is the point. I’m certain that Obama is talking “age appropriate” information and arming children with the vocabulary necessary to describe any number of real world scenarios to an adult. Yes’ everyone grows up earlier now. Your five year old had farmyard chores in the 1780’s (now they have a play date). That was growing up too.

There’s got to be balance. Learning the word penis or vagina as an 11 year old does not make much sense in a world where sexual predation of children is not uncommon. What do you call an eyeball? An eyeball you morons. You don’t teach a five year old screwy names for other body parts, just grow up. Take the mystique away and the sexual fixation will diminish. In the mean time we can all have a good snort when Johhny announces to his mom that he got his pee pee caught in his zipper. And give Johnny a complex to boot.

As others have said, move on to the big issues gentlemen and we’re not talking pee pees.

ALL people begin to think about sex, fucking, getting laid, cock sucking, pussy licking, finger poking, touching, petting, cumming, as soon as they hit puberty.  YES every one.  I would find it strange and indeed a sign of some underlying mental/psycological problems if they didn’t.  These are drives that are 100% driven by hormons - we don’t really have any control over them.  What we do have control over is the “acting out” part.  We humans can only understand what is happening in this regard when we understand why it is happening.  We can only avoid inappropriate behaviour in ourselves when we understand our selves as humans, and indeed sexual creatures.  The young have a right too, and we adults have an obligation to provide truthfull and accurat information.  Simply deciding not to talk about it is stupid, dangerous, foolish, and will give the very results we hope to avoid.

Just like talking about murder and theft does not create killers and theives, talking about sex will not create whores, rapists, child molesters, homosexuals, and preverts.

Mitt and all like him are idiots.  Maybe his holy underwear is on to tight and squeezing his balls to tight.

The young need to know why they feel what they feel when they feel it.  But I suppose these same people feel embarrassed when they see dogs, cats, sheep, and cattle fucking in public.

This all goes back to the vilification of sex in the abrahamic faiths.  The idea that sex is dirty and sinfull - especially that female sexuality is particualarly vile.

It is the repression of normal and natural human sexuality that causes the Bakkers, Haggards, Swaggards, etc.  When natural processess that we have no control over are suppressed in a way that results in guilt and self loathing about these, what else besides rape, child molestation, and inappropriate sexual expression can we expect?

But then a mob of self loathing closet masterbaters is easier to control.

Re:  #88531 by farmertx on 7/21 at 2:30 pm
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Outraged
Have you been outside and seen how some of the pre teens are dressing and acting? And mommy and daddy evidently are going along with it, otherwise they wouldn’t have those clothes in the first place.
So yes there is oversexulization of the youth.
Granted, I am an old man, but I feel young enough to appreciate a 20 something or older in a somewhat revealing outfit. But not young teens and especially not preteens.

Farmertx:

Yes, I’ve been outside and yes, I see how SOME of them dress.  But it seems to be something ADULTS are pushing with young people.  Just because we see something as “sexy” doesn’t mean they see it at all that way.  As a society we keep doing one thing and preaching another.  As always, things should be age appropriate.  So when is it that its “appropriate” to look sexy, and to whom? Fundamentalists would say never, child molesters would say nine, and most parents don’t like it even when their child is “twenty something”.  I mean it’s OK (or at least it doesn’t bother me) until it’s MY twenty-five year old daughter.

My experience is that its not the majority of 13-14yr. olds who are out there trying to “dress sexy”.  And the majority of boys aren’t all that interested in girls.  (well, maybe the ones in books but they’re still kinda apprehensive about real live ones) They are just beginning to like them, and for the most part they only kinda like them.  Also, it’s not their “dress” that is the more pressing concern. Young people in jeans and turtle necks can have sex too.

I realize there are exceptions to the rule but the “oversexualization” is a problem with ADULTS, not children.  It’s a message we send them, not one they “cooked up”.  So now we’re going to go out and “fix the kids”.  Let’s see our government representatives are “doing it” with interns and hookers, but we better fix those kids.

We will always have children who are preyed on, used, abused and led astray by ADULTS. That’s what the rest of us “REAL ADULTS” are here for.  To protect them. But, the fact that they look a certain way isn’t a reason to think they are “that way”.  That is something “we” think, and they may not see it that way at all.  They think they look “normal” and “not like a dweeb”.  Do you choose clothing that make YOU FEEL like you look like a frumpy old man....?...probably not.  And, yes, there are idiot parents.... by the way doesn’t G.W have children?

We’re always so fearful that young people will have sex for the “wrong reasons”.  Yet, we never look in the mirror, as if “ADULTS” (and I use that term broadly) don’t have sex for the “wrong reasons”.  Then again, we could say, how many “right” ones are there? and what are they?

Mitt is a fuckhead.
Enough said.

Mitt the moron - er...mormon

If you want to get your Republican base all fired up just mention giving “age appropritate” information and education to their kids. In Republican Land ignorance is bliss.  Why tell a child to beware of a possible predator before they reach 6th grade? Too bad predators don’t wait that long.

Mitt the Mutt is a disgusting hypocrite who’s particular opinion today is based on what he thinks people want him to say.

Comment#88525 by RAE on 7/21 at 2:07 pm

RAE....

Thanks for this excellent post. This is indeed how we should work this out. But, you’re right, most parents don’t know enough themselves to do this.

So, back to the trial and error method. The trial part can be entertaining, but the error isn’t worth the fun. Still, we DO learn.

I like your overall plan a lot better though. It eliminates so many of the “errors” before they have a chance to occur.

The killer is that the right (and Romney is a born again right-winger) defines the issues so that Obama can actually be a faux “leftist”. Whereby in today’s media world is defined as “any “base” Dem who wants to end the war/occupation in Iraq are extremists.

It’s laughable. There’s no real debate on real issues. Where do these assholes stand on single payer health care? On the 1,000 US military bases? On invading Iran? On sustainable energy? On building vibrant communities? On NAFTA and its creation of illegal immigration? On WTO and GATT and US free trade policies that wreck global havoc to indigenous people? On the causes of famine - asymmetrical trade policies that force nations into monocultural farming that leaves the natives without basic sustanenance? And on and on and on.

This TOPIC between Obama and Romney is BULL SHIT… in a world with REAL PROBLEMS.

Outraged
Have you been outside and seen how some of the pre teens are dressing and acting? And mommy and daddy evidently are going along with it, otherwise they wouldn’t have those clothes in the first place.
So yes there is oversexulization of the youth.
Granted, I am an old man, but I feel young enough to appreciate a 20 something or older in a somewhat revealing outfit. But not young teens and especially not preteens.

bjalder 26 wrote, in part “… or should the government send somebody in to talk to 5 and 6 year olds about their penis’s and vagina’s, about where babies come from and about sexual touching?.”

I think the “talk” should occur when each child asks for it. (I make the assumption that when a child asks, he or she not only wants to know but is, at some level, ready to receive the information.) I also think the best people to do this is the child’s parents, together. ANSWER ONLY WHAT IS ASKED and at the LEVEL IT IS ASKED.

The questions “Why does daddy have a thing there?” from a 5 year old is NOT a request for an entire first year university course in biology. I would say something like: “It’s one of the things that makes daddy different from mommy, dear, like daddy’s voice is deeper than mommy’s (assuming that is so), and daddy has bigger muscles than mommy. Is there anything else you wanted to know right now - it’s time for....”

If Johnny or Jennifer asks another “on topic” question, answer it, without playing games with language or attitude or making a big deal of it. If the timing is inappropriate (like 2 minutes before dinner) just say “I’ll tell you all about it after dinner. You remind me to tell you if I forget.” If the child really wants to know, he/she will ask. If it was just another “why” question amongst the thousand asked each day, then let it go for now.

Above all, the child should hear “it” from the parents BEFORE having the school do its presentation. Also, the school should let the parents know at least a week in advance of when the topic will be (un)covered.

Simple, eh? Except for one thing. SO MANY PARENTS HAVEN’T ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE or EDUCATION THEMSELVES ON THE TOPIC AND/OR HAVEN’T A MATURE ENOUGH ATTITUDE ABOUT HUMAN SEXUALITY THEMSELVES TO AVOID SCREWING THINGS UP ROYALLY WHEN TRYING TO TELL THE KIDS.

So, good luck kids. Guess you’re just going to have to find out about the birds and bees the way kids all down through the ages have found out… TRIAL and ERROR. Sure beats a lecture.

“Obama thinks stories about storks don’t fly...”

Duh, is that all he knows anything about???

OUTRAGED...YOU CONSIDER IT CELIBATE IF YOU SHARE THE SAME BLOW UP DOLL WITH SEAN HANNITY ???

Can Obama “prove” there’s “an over sexualization of our young people”?  And well, I mean this is what I heard “republicans..ie...G.W.Bush were bashing dems. for their “just saying No”, tactics.  Did anyone else catch this?  Deriding them for saying no to the war, no to corp welfare, no to voting machines...etc.  Suddenly, Romney and his ilk, want everyone to “just say no” to good ol’ healthy strengthen your heart, aerobic sex!  What a pathetic pair!  Course, I haven’t seen Romney’s “other” but I can say I can’t blame George W. for remaining “celibate”.

Mitt Romney also said that he realised he was against stem cell research, after he read up on CLONING. (no, I can’t begin to imagine, and he didn’t explain).

He was also very adament about how Iran’s Ahmedinejad was far more likely to perform a national suicide if he ever got nukes, because of his “crazy religion”. Needless to say, a nuke is in far more dangerous hands HERE, than it would be in Iran.

And uh...I’m thinking it’s been a real long time since he was a teenaged boy.

They were real big on the abstinence thing when I was growing up too. It just never did any good. Lots of emergency weddings in my all girls Catholic High school. Those rarely work out either. So much for that.

Just the sort of vital issues that the candidates should be talking about.
Obama wants to tell kindergarden age kids where babies come from? What’s wrong with telling the kid to ask mommy?
Mitt wants everyone just to say no. How long has it been since he was a teenaged boy?