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Ear to the Ground

Iraqi Leaders Await U.S. Withdrawal

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Posted on Jul 18, 2007

Even though President Bush is bent on “staying the course” in Iraq, and Lt. Gen. David Petraeus has hinted at years of U.S. military involvement to come, Iraqi leaders are apparently resigned to the idea that American troops may soon begin to pull out, according to Iraq’s ambassador to the U.S., Samir Sumaidaie.

Los Angeles Times:

Samir Sumaidaie also said that there was insufficient time in the next two months for the U.S. military’s troop buildup strategy in Iraq to prove itself, an indication that he expected little progress on the key measures of success by the time a pivotal American military assessment is compiled in September.

Sumaidaie’s comments to a group of reporters in Washington were one of the clearest signals yet of the pessimism overtaking the Bush administration’s closest allies in the Iraqi government. Such an acknowledgment by a top Iraqi leader could affect the debate over the war’s future in Congress, where Democratic and Republican lawmakers are challenging President Bush’s appeal for more time.

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By cyrena, July 18, 2007 at 4:04 pm Link to this comment

#87800 by moni on 7/18 at 2:26 pm

Moni, thanks for the historical reminders, about how this country of ours was established. Very good points.

But, on this one, I’m not sure:

...“The main difference between the conquest of the indigenous peoples of America and the present wars in the Mideast is that the U.S. troops have travelled vast distances to conquer lands, natural resources and the native peoples themselves.”.....

I would like to point out that the conquest of the indigenous peoples of America was also accomplished by people who had travelled vast distances, to do the same. The only real difference, was that they “accidentally” stumbled upon the Americas, and then kept returning to do….EXACTLY the same thing that we are doing now, to the indigenous people of the Middle East.

Maybe the biggest “difference” might be noted from the even earlier conquest of so many Africans, when they were actually kidnapped from one location, (mostly the Western Coast of Africa) and then transported to other far away places, (being sold along the way), and enslaving the remainder for the next 200 years, right here at home. There were something like 5 million victims (Africans) to this age long practice.

Now, that was a multi-purpose operation that spanned decades and continents.

Still, it never ceases to amaze me, that so many folks fail to “get” the fact that this is simply WRONG. Ya just don’t travel thousands and thousands of miles with armies and weapons, to conquer lands, resources, and people, and expect to be greeted warmly when you get there, and especially after tearing up their property,killing off or scaring off a huge portion of the population, and STILL refusing to leave!!!!

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By moni, July 18, 2007 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment
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1835-42 The 2nd U.S. Seminole War

U.S. troops battle in the swamps of Florida.  The Seminole conduct a guerrilla - style warfare that costs the U.S. government $20 million and the lives of 1,500 troops. The Seminole leader Osceola is deceived and captured under a flag of truce and dies in prison in 1938.

1846-48 Mexican American War

Lands are taken from the Indians through treaties or by right of conquest.  Western Indians secure for themselves only a minute portion of their former lands and live on lands ruled by Indian agents.  Many Indians are relocated to lands controlled by their neighbors.  Others are concentrated on reservations with other Indian nations, including former enemies.

The Native North American Almanac 2nd ed.
Unfortunately, the truth about these wars of this Century and last are all about conquest and control.
The main difference between the conquest of the indigenous peoples of America and the present wars in the Mideast is that the U.S. troops have travelled vast distances to conquer lands, natural resources and the native peoples themselves. It has been a costly and bloody endeavor and we can be sure that those who are conducting these horrendous actions will not give up until they’ve got what they want.  It IS the American Foreign Policy that has been implemented by those who are unrelenting and believe they can “justify”  their ” Power Grab”.

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By Pacrat, July 18, 2007 at 1:42 pm Link to this comment
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Senate Republicans Vote Against Iraqis

The Iraqis never invited US to invade them - and they don’t want us there. Nevertheless, the US Senate republicans voted to endanger the lives of more of our troops by keeping them in their war in Iraq! Oh, if we begin the withdrawal of the troops there will be chaos - could it really be worse than it is now? Thank goodness there weren’t any of the current republicans around when our Constitution was written - we would still be under the control of King George - oh, we still are!

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By QuyTran, July 18, 2007 at 1:14 pm Link to this comment

Hey General Petraeus,

Don’t wait until they kick at you butt then yelling “Yankee Go Home”.

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