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Posted on Jul 13, 2007

President Bush continues to insist that there is a direct connection between the perpetrators of the 9/11 terrorist attacks and the “folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq.”  In fact, according to The New York Times, Bush mentioned al-Qaida no fewer than 30 times in public remarks Thursday.


New York Times:

There is no question that the group is one of the most dangerous in Iraq.  But Mr. Bush’s critics argue that he has overstated the Al Qaeda connection in an attempt to exploit the same kinds of post-Sept. 11 emotions that helped him win support for the invasion in the first place.

Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia did not exist before the Sept. 11 attacks.  The Sunni group thrived as a magnet for recruiting and a force for violence largely because of the American invasion of Iraq in 2003, which brought an American occupying force of more than 100,000 troops to the heart of the Middle East, and led to a Shiite-dominated government in Baghdad.

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By Skruff, July 15, 2007 at 1:20 pm Link to this comment
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by cyrena on 7/15 at 11:35 am;

“Still, I was comparing him to Rummy, so do you think he’s even worse than rummy?”

Henry leaves Rumsfeld in the dust! 

He’s “served” under five presidents openly, and for 2 under cover.  He’s been responsible for more deaths than anyone alive today… and that’s only the ones we know of… His span goes from Southeast Asia to Indoniasia, through South and Central Americas, and back to his smelly hovel in Washington. 

You can bet if the 9/11 truth folks are proven correct, you’ll find Kissenger in there somewhere.

The way folks on this board feel about GWB, that’s the feeling I hold for Kissenger…may he die alone!

Kissenger is the devil….Rumsfeld isn’t even far enough along to be a minor minion

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By cyrena, July 15, 2007 at 12:35 pm Link to this comment

#87018 by Skruff on 7/15 at 6:10 am


OK Skruff:

....“Kissenger is a mass murderer of legendary proportions.  let’s not sully his reputation by comparing him to a rank amateur”.....

I can live with this. Indeed Kissinger is a mass murderer, and he’s also the one who said that “OIL was FAR TOO IMPORTANT….to be left in the hands of the Arabs”. I always thought that was interesting.

Still, I was comparing him to Rummy, so do you think he’s even worse than rummy?

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By Skruff, July 15, 2007 at 7:10 am Link to this comment
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86944 by cyrena on 7/14 at 5:39 pm

“I guess this gives him the same status as Kissinger, though I’m wondering if his (rummy’s) crimes are not worse.”

Kissenger: (or the reason I believe it’s not about Bush)
Vietnam:  Lies, accessory to Nixon’s bombing of civilian targets,  Architect of the Cambodia policy which ultimately left one million Cambodians dead.

Chile:  Architect of the Salvator Allende assassination. which led to the dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet who “dissapeared” 100,000 Chileians.

Indoniasia:
Architect of the Arms deal with Suharto which left 250,000 dead in East Timor.

Kissenger is a mass murderer of legendary proportions.  let’s not sully his reputation by comparing him to a rank amateur.

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By Enemy of State, July 14, 2007 at 10:01 pm Link to this comment

Cyrena, I’d forgotten about that legal action. It was several months ago, and I’ve seen nothing recently….

  Billis: I have more sympathy for the plight of our current crop of Democratic Senators, and Congresscritters than you. They clearly
don’t have enough votes to accomplish anything non-symbolic -but a few more Republicam defections, and we just might get there. In any case the dangers of them getting portrayed as
unpatriotic are real. It that happens, its not just the Democratic politicians that will suffer, but the rest of us as well.

  Of course Cheney/Bush should be impeached, but the politicians aren’t willing to touch that one. In any case it is so late that it is unlikely the proceedure would be complete before 09. I was around during the Nixon Watergate days, and they proceedings dragged on for a very long time.

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By cyrena, July 14, 2007 at 6:39 pm Link to this comment

Comment#86931 by Goffredo on 7/14 at 4:04 pm

....” Rumsfeld cannot set foot in Germany.  He has been accused of war crimes and would be arrested on the spot.  Why did that not make Faux News?”....

Thanks for the info Goffredo, on rummy, since I wasn’t aware that he couldn’t go to Germany. You’re right, it has not been offered as “news” in any of the normal places.

I guess this gives him the same status as Kissinger, though I’m wondering if his (rummy’s) crimes are not worse. Then again, how does one even measure such horrific violations of crimes against humanity.

Meantime though, I’m sure rummy doesn’t care. He’ll just avoid Germany. He still has his office, and his staff, and all of his government security clearances right here at home. So, why would he want to go to Germany?

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By Goffredo, July 14, 2007 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment

Speaking of Nazi Germany, Rumsfeld cannot set foot in Germany.  He has been accused of war crimes and would be arrested on the spot.  Why did that not make Faux News?

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By THOMAS BILLIS, July 14, 2007 at 9:08 am Link to this comment
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George Bush is a creation of a congress with not a statesmen among them.Democrats vying for position to get elected republicans looking to defend their guy while this guy shreds the Constitution and engages in delusional rhetoric.The question is not whether to believe or not it is how to stop him and his soul mate Dick Cheney from destroying the republic.As Bruce Fein said on Bill Moyer it is that Bush is setting precedents that are not in any way what the founders envisioned when they created the Republic.I do not know if the remedy of impeachment is called for .What I do know is the nation is at a crtical point in its history and is crying out for statesmen on either side of the aisle to come forward and put country over politics.Who will answer the call?

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By Enemy of State, July 13, 2007 at 10:43 pm Link to this comment

Ga, you beat me to the Goebbels thing. That is clearly what they are doing. Psycho-marketing of connections. Our brain makes connections of things that as closely associated in speech. So for anyone who isn’t goverened by a careful usage of logic, and real-world observations, the technique works. They kept repeating Iraq, Saddam, Osama BinLaden, and WMD is close connection to sell the war. They had 65% of the public convinced.

Goffredo: great post with one glaring exception. Please use the correct spelling of Faux News!

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By cann4ing, July 13, 2007 at 10:33 pm Link to this comment

He lied then.  Many died.  He lies now.  Many more will die.  Everyone knows he is lying.  Yet impeachment remains “off-the-table”?

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By Eric L Prentis, July 13, 2007 at 8:56 pm Link to this comment
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President Bush is the liar and propagandist in chief concerning the war in Iraq.

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By Ga, July 13, 2007 at 7:55 pm Link to this comment

I believe it was hitler or one of his ilk that said if you repeat it long enough people start to believe it.

“Tell a lie that is big enough, and repeat it often enough, and the whole world will believe it.”
—Joseph M. Goebbels

“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.”
—George W. Bush

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By weather, July 13, 2007 at 7:06 pm Link to this comment

Israel’s gifts to America:

Acrimony, angst and a inexhaustable supply of highly manipulated deceit - all very carefully choreographed w/the phony and fraudulent energy of a Hollywood production.

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By ocjim, July 13, 2007 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment

The great satan is Bush. What is Bush’s rate of lies per deaths whether we are talking about domestic policy or foreign policy. Perhaps the rate isn’t so high if you count repeated lies like Saddam ties to Al Qaeda or WMDs or not outing Plame, or tax breaks are for the poor, or clear skies initiative or death tax ..just to name a few.

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By QuyTran, July 13, 2007 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment

Are they Bush/Cheney’s comrades-in-arms ?

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By michael, July 13, 2007 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment
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I believe it was hitler or one of his ilk that said if you repeat it long enough people start to believe it.  Also some one might just slap bush upside his head he seems to be stuck.

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By great_satan, July 13, 2007 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment

“The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq,” he said, “were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th, and that’s why what happens in Iraq matters to the security here at home.”

  Exactly what all the “conspiracy theorists” have been saying all along. Oh, I get it, Bush is talking about Al Qaeda, not his own gang.

Has anyone noticed the ansurdity in the news over the past few days in reporting that Al Qaeda is now again as strong as it was before 9/11? What? We’ve been told for a year now that Al Qaeda is such a force in Iraq that they basically are more powerful than the US Army. Suddenly, they have just now regrouped and are strong again. What?
  So before 9/11 they were a force so powerful that they could nullify the efforts of the US Army, yet were defeated easily by a relatively small NATO Coalition in a matter of about a month?

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By Goffredo, July 13, 2007 at 12:34 pm Link to this comment
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If you consider the consequences, Bush must continue to make that false connection.  His base is one that has completely bought into the fear and terrorism package that the WH and Fox News have pushed from the onset.

In my opinion you have a rather socio-psychological phenomenon that is conducive to prolong this awfully destructive policy.  First, you have a group of people who are fiercely loyal, that arguably suffer from an enormous sense of pride and an unquestionable patriotism (both of which are dangerously foolish) who would be psychologically damaged if they were to admit that they have been misled.  These are ultra-conservative individuals who typically do not possess a global awareness, nor are they are terribly respectful or knowledgeable about the cultures of other nations.  They cling to the American flag because it prevents them from slipping into the margins of society, a sort of rallying point where they can gain emotional support and comfort from others who share the same narrow-minded perspective. (that sort of “you’re either with us or against us” mentality).  I believe that they continue to buy into these lies because it is an internal defense mechanism that prevents them from being humiliated.  Truth be told, however, my experience on the progressive side has taught me that we don’t shoot the wounded.  Perhaps the conservative base is projecting their character defects on to others, that is to say, that those supporters of Bush who would admit that they have been lied to would somehow be judged and condemned by those who have seen truth for several years. (The age-old, “damn it, you guys were right the whole time”).

Secondly, you have an administration that is creating its own constitution as it goes along.  Karl Rove, as evil as he is, is terribly shrewd and cunning, and understands the dynamics of the political landscape in a post 9-11 America.  Both he and Cheney are the brains of this organization; Bush simply throws in the “good ole boy” persona with his rolled-up sleeves and southern accent.  The loss of habeas corpus, illegal wiretapping, firings and information leaks now come frequently and always without consequence (all in the name of patriotism).

What does this translate to?  A low-level Fascist-type of regime that has subverted everything for which we stand.  To sacrifice liberties and freedom to fight an enemy that has never declared war on us, but rather committed an awful crime, is terribly ironic when it is continually presented in the context that these enemies “want to prevent individuals from enjoying democracy and liberty”.

To list the mistakes we have made in the execution of this illegal war would take too much time.  We are all aware of many mistakes made, from L. Paul Bremer firing the entire Iraqi army to lack of armor and weaponry to our own troops to the ignorance and refusal of advice provided by experts on Iraq and the Middle East.  Those are facts and they cannot be manipulated by someone’s “gut” feeling.

There is no connection between Iraq and 9-11.  We were going into Iraq as Bush was stealing Florida in the 2000 election.  9-11 was a convenient agent to force entry into this illegal war.  Even had Saddam come out with his supposed weapons of mass destruction, there was no turning back.  In Iraq, we removed a brutal dictator but in its place we created an incubator for growing future terrorists, alienated our allies and incited fear in every corner of the globe.

So, to the conservative base who still support this war and believe in its connection to Al-Qaeda, I will pray for you that God grant you enough humility to see the truth.  To see that to lower yourself to the level of unnecessary violence and wrongful oppression is never the right path.

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By Louise, July 13, 2007 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment

No no no no no ...

Mr. Bush says Al Qaeda or Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia with child-like repetitious monotony because he can!

Don’t you get it?

He has mastered the difficulty of saying two really big words!

Nine syllables at least!
Maybe even foreign ...

And, knowing how much we care, he wants to share that with us!

Bless his little heart ...

Or maybe he’s been looking at a Bible map and just realized GWOT’s in the Fertile Crescent.

“Golly whizikers ... ‘HE’ really is talking to me!”

Or maybe his writers finally realized nobody’s buying that Al Qaeda in Iraq crap.

Or maybe he’s clueing us in to his vision of the future Israel ...

All of Mesopotamia!

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By Hammo, July 13, 2007 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment

Bush and his associates seem to think that Americans are stupid when he makes misleading statements over and over.

The intelligence of the American people is increasing in many ways and we can see through deceptions in new ways too.

Discoveries and developments in human intelligence will affect politics, society, culture and military affairs in interesting ways.

More on this in the article ...

“Developments in science, human consciousness hold promise of new discoveries, better world”

PopulistAmerica.com  
July 11, 2007

http://www.populistamerica.com/developments_in_science_human_consciousness

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By sns, July 13, 2007 at 11:46 am Link to this comment
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the more Bush invokes terrorists the more terror recruiting; more troops more terror more terror more deluded notions of power and control for Bush & co.

  terror terror Bush terror fear terror fear more terror forever terror control Bush notions of deluded denuded

rather obvious for quite some time now

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