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House Passes Iraq Withdrawal Bill

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Posted on Jul 12, 2007
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The House vote is a rebuke to President Bush’s talking point earlier Thursday that now is not the time to be talking about withdrawal timetables, according to The New York Times.

Although the legislation is sure to be shot down by President Bush if it survives in the Senate, the House of Representatives passed a bill Thursday calling for the majority of U.S. troops in Iraq to be withdrawn by April 2008.


The New York Times:

But the House action, coming hours after the release of a White House report that the Iraqi government had shown satisfactory performance so far on 8 of the 18 benchmarks, was a further sign of deep dissatisfaction with the war. All House Democrats except for 10 voted for the bill this afternoon, and all Republicans except for four voted against it. The bill calls for all but a few support troops to be pulled out of Iraq by April 1, 2008.

At a White House news conference this morning, Mr. Bush sought to deflect the national discussion on Iraq away from the question of when and how to start withdrawing troops. “This is not the real debate,” he said. “The real debate over Iraq is between those who think the fight is lost, or not worth the cost, and those who believe the fight can be won.”

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By Max Shields, July 15, 2007 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment

#86942 by Goffredo on 7/14 at 5:29 pm

Well, I hate to shatter your hope, but here’s what your senator and 96 others did vote on:

Senate Democrats Vote for War With Iran
Joseph I. Lieberman’s amendment
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/senate-democrats-vote-for-war-with-iran/

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By Skruff, July 15, 2007 at 6:47 am Link to this comment
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86903 by faith on 7/14 at 1:23 pm

“That this sitting president behaves like a spoiled child.”

How nasty to insult spoiled children in this manner!

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By cyrena, July 15, 2007 at 2:50 am Link to this comment

Comment#86956 by Max Shields on 7/14 at 7:18 pm
Max:

.....“One wonders if this form of banality has made its way into the American populace at large….hmmmmmmmmmm.”.....

Sadly, I think it has. (made it’s way that is). I’ve been watching. All of these characters that you mentioned in your post, to include Rice, and of course cheney, and we can’t forget Rove, or any of the secret staff that we rarely see or even hear of, who are working the project behind the scenes. Working out all of this absurd stuff that sabotages the Constitution nearly beyond repair.

And yes, that’s an excellent comparison with Eichmann, as well as the theory from Hannah Arendt:

…….“She noted that in that face was a mind that simply stopped thinking (perhaps never really did). It is this lack of thinking that creates evil. When you think, you begin to ask questions, to have a conscience. Eichmann displayed none of that. No reflection.”….

Isn’t this pretty much the same that we get from sociopaths as well though?

To be honest, george and gonzo remind me of Leopold and Loeb.

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By Max Shields, July 14, 2007 at 8:18 pm Link to this comment

Note, the picture of our President Bush, and note it well.

That folks is what Hannah Arendt called: the banality of evil.

She used this term to describe Eichmann at the Nuremburg trials for Nazi war crimes. She noted that Eichmann displayed a commoness, with malice toward none, as he carried out his technocratic “responsibilities” (orders) sending Jews and Poles to the gas chambers. She noted that in that face was a mind that simply stopped thinking (perhaps never really did). It is this lack of thinking that creates evil. When you think, you begin to ask questions, to have a conscience. Eichmann displayed none of that. No reflection.

Neither does Cheney, nor Bush, nor Gonzales, nor Rice, nor Rumsfeld. In fact, thinking is not really a prerequisite (banned) in the G.W. Bush administration.

One wonders if this form of banality has made its way into the American populace at large….hmmmmmmmmmm

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By cyrena, July 14, 2007 at 6:46 pm Link to this comment

#86903 by faith on 7/14 at 1:23 pm

Faith:

Were you able to actually send this letter to Nancy Pelosi? I copied it, and sent it to Barbara Boxer, (for whatever good that might do…I’m not real sure it will do anything, but she’s my Senator, so I sent it there, with just some minor revisions.)

But, I’m hoping since you did writeit, that you were able to e-mail or otherwise get it to her.

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By Goffredo, July 14, 2007 at 6:29 pm Link to this comment

Max,

I guess I’m still waiting for the return of Jim Webb, the one who gave that brilliant reply to Bush’s State of the Regime Speech in January.  We haven’t heard much from him since then.  We are never without hope.

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By Max Shields, July 14, 2007 at 5:12 pm Link to this comment

#86928 by Goffredo on 7/14 at 3:52 pm

And when did you begin hearing those voices?

Look, great to be optimistic, but let’s geat real. This Congress has been sending up the same funded, non-binding timetables since January, that are swated down like flies.

No “giant” is going to fall. We’ve witnessed this maniac for nearly 7 years. If the Congress doesn’t use 2007 to begin impeachment proceedings what in god’s name do you think is going to get them to move as they approach a presidential election?

No, the pressure must come from the people and it must be constant - that’s our job and don’t expect politicians to do this without a lot of proding - this crowd does not come by guts naturally.

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By Goffredo, July 14, 2007 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment

Of course it’s not enough.  When you have as many passive democrats as we have in congress combined with a large percent of uneducated people who still believe that Saddam was involved in 9/11 you are forced to take baby steps.  If you kick the giant in the shin enough times, he will fall.  At that point, when the giant is on his back and helpless, the masses will complete the task.  Impeachment will move forward before the summer of 2008.

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By Max Shields, July 14, 2007 at 4:50 pm Link to this comment

#86903 by faith on 7/14 at 1:23 pm
Very good points.

Until the constitution is back on the table, and impeachment proceedings begin, there will not be an end to the occupation, BUT there will be an end to anything remotely resembling a representative government in the U.S.

The Dems and the crony syncophants in the MSM keep saying the focus needs to be on getting out of Iraq - BUT the Dems are not sending up bills to get out of Iraq. Instead they are sending up political hand-wringing and double-talk bills with funding to prolong the occupation and killing.

Kucinich continues to see through it and push for real TOTAL withdrawal. He knows that FIRST, the constitution must stand - hence impeachment proceedings. And with that bills demanding an orderly withdrawal of US presence in Iraq (and the Middle East). Only diplomatic presence should persist. There is no compromise on the constitution or ending this war.

That’s the line - draw it or get voted out!

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By faith, July 14, 2007 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment

This is not enough.  Further action must be taken to rid of us these warmongers running the nation.  Here’s mine:

Dear Speaker Pelosi,
I encourage Congress to file simultaneous impeachment proceedings against Mr. George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Alberto Gonzales immediately.  At the same time indict Harriet Meiers for her failure to appear at hearings.  She is not above the legal mandates issued by congress.

It is clear that the President, et al, are not behaving rationally concerning the wars in the middle east, Iraq and Afghanistan.  There is more than enough evidence to bring a case for impeachment against each of them.  By bringing simultaneous impeachment charges it will call attention to the extent of the corruption and the illegal practices of this White House administration.

The majority of Americans comprehend what Congress seems to fail to understand.  That this sitting president behaves like a spoiled child. 

Why do you, a Mother, and leader, choose to indulge this dangerous child, who wears the mantle of president of the United States.  This same spoiled child that alone has the power to press a nuclear button that can create holocaust throughout the world. I do not understand your failure to immediately press for removal of such a person as Mr. Bush. Please start impeachment proceedings.  You were elected to do what was necessary to change the direction of this nation.  There is no other recourse at this point.

Avoiding the impeachment process implies that the democrats in congress are as interested as the republicans in keeping the war money flowing into their districts.  No matter how many die for the political contributions and profits garnered by the war.  Simple logic indicates that the reason democrats have not moved for impeachment is because they, too, have sold their integrity to the lobbiests and war profiteering corporations in order to benefit personal campaign interests.

There is no sane reason to allow this president and his entourage to continue the destruction of America, as well as the ruin other nations it deems unfit to govern their own affairs.

We need to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan.  We need to discontinue threats against Iran.  And, we need to mind our own business. (caveat:  provide food, medicines, and education to those in need).

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By luke, July 14, 2007 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment
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I can’t believe I have lived 7 years (1/6th)
of my life ,under this dictator.
I thought this was America. George Bush and his henchmen should be held responsible for all the crimes and lies they have commited to the American people.

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By cyrena, July 14, 2007 at 5:04 am Link to this comment

Comment#86587 by USsoldier on 7/13 at 6:39 am

....“I leave for deployment to Iraq in just a couple of days, and to be honest- it makes me sick to my stomach to see how Americans bad mouth and belittle our president.”.....

Oh Lordy dear Soldier,

It is not george bush who deserves our respect, or your sacrifice. It hasn’t always been that way, but that’s the way it is now. And so I’m terribly sad (as I always am) to hear of, know of, or actually witness the departure of ANY of you, to this particular war. What it does, (because you say you have no choice but to serve) is to make you complicit in the perpetration of crimes against humanity. The agressive invasion and on-going occupation of Iraq is illegal, under multiple statutes of international and domestic law.

I wish that were not so, but it is. We’ve been there long enough now, to have figured that all out. I do understand that it would appear that you don’t have a choice. Actually, you do. It’s just a very difficult one.

Whatever your choice, you actually DO still have our support. Meantime, we aren’t planning on electing Hillary next time. At least I’m not.

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By Dale Headley, July 14, 2007 at 12:43 am Link to this comment
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This war could be over so easily if the Democrats weren’t so spineless.  Americans die as Democrats play politics instead of ending the war.  I suppose I’ll vote for Democrats as the least bad of the choices in the next election, but I’ll hold my nose when I do it, wishing I had a viable choice.

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By Gregory DuBois, July 13, 2007 at 6:11 pm Link to this comment
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With the quantity of defections from the Republican Ranks away from the President it soon will not matter whether or not W vetoes the bill. As soon as 2/3 of the Senate decides that the President’s position is untenable they will override his veto and the will of the people will be heard, finally.

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By QuyTran, July 13, 2007 at 11:24 am Link to this comment

He is very insolent ! Sorry when we have such president !

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By Akira_Maritias, July 13, 2007 at 11:00 am Link to this comment

Wow…does anyone actually believe that this will work?

Anybody?

Yeah, that’s what I thought. Bush has done more to stop a withdrawal than…well, than anything else.

We just have to hang on for one more year of this bull crap. Just one more miserable, misguided, racist, extremist Christian, disturbing, lying year. We stomached several years of this…we just need to stomach one more.

Then, of course, he’ll be replaced by someone just as corrupt…although maybe a bit better at public speaking.

It’s terrible…everything Bush has done is terrible. I was just a kid when the WTC was hit, and I saw it on live television in my classroom. I was so desperate to get the people that hurt those innocent civilians that I eagerly supported Bush, even if he did bumble a little in his speeches. I supported that war. I do not support his ‘my daddy wanted this’ war. It’s senseless. I don’t care if it’s a good thing that we uprooted Saddam. What about the people that hit us? I guess they don’t matter anymore…no, Dubya wants to make his daddy happy before he gets the guy that successfully attacked us. Or maybe he just wants to get rid of the bad man that they helped rise to power. Who knows? Either way, it’s hardly justified. Guess what? Iran’s got weapons. So does North Korea. Why don’t we attack these guys as well, Bushy?

So…we have a long way to go, and it’ll be miserable.

I wish people would protest this war louder. Blogs ain’t cutting it. Sheehan can’t do it alone. We need a massive protest of the war. Big time protestin’ right in DC.

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By Skruff, July 13, 2007 at 9:38 am Link to this comment
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86440 by Goffredo on 7/12 at 6:09 pm

“The smirk in the picture says it all. 

Impeach Cheney, then Bush.”

I am afraid that is the case. Unfortunately our constitution makes Bush the “Commander & Chief” hypothetically he could continue the war even in the face of an override, and congress knows this and doesn’t want to touch it!

So the question becomes do you (the people) want the war ended EVEN if it means impeaching (and convicting) the president?

If the answer is yes, then the outcome is uncertain due to time constraints, and historical precedents. Even with a veto-proof majority in the House, and a coalition possibility in the Senate They couldn’t find the will to impeach Nixon. 

There is one other item which might affect outcome.  The D’s are hoping that Bush will bring down the Republican party.

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By Can of Whoop Ass, July 13, 2007 at 8:59 am Link to this comment
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Bush’s damage to Amurkah will last the rest of our lives and into our grandkid’s lives.
Every single mess the USA is in today is traceable to Ronald Reagan/Bush #41.

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By d.alon, July 13, 2007 at 8:35 am Link to this comment
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ctbrandon: “we know without a doubt that the war in Iraq is without cause”

That’s a dangerous proposition to accept. Just because the cause may be too dispicable, diabolical and immoral to state publicly, doesn’t mean that there’s not a cause.  Don’t think for second that this government would spend billions and billions of dollars, allow their party’s national standing go to hell, and waste innumerable lives on a “I made a mistake and I’m gonna make it right” stubborness.  This was and is going according to plan. Maybe not perfectly, but as far as acheiving their desired ends, its going just swimmingly!

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By ctbrandon, July 13, 2007 at 7:42 am Link to this comment

It still amazes me that even now, when we know without a doubt that the war in Iraq is without cause, that the right wing of our government can continue to draw connections between terrorism and this war. They continue to see us the dog and pony show that we are keeping America secure by staying there. The jig is up guys, we know its about oil and power. Now bring em home.

brandon
http://www.actforyourself.org

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By USsoldier, July 13, 2007 at 7:39 am Link to this comment
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I leave for deployment to Iraq in just a couple of days, and to be honest- it makes me sick to my stomach to see how Americans bad mouth and belittle our president. How about showing some support/respect until you get that chance to vote for YOUR beloved democratic party. I am a part of the greatest military ever- So I dont have a choice of whom i serve!!! Go luck with Hillary as your next president.

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By Hammo, July 13, 2007 at 7:21 am Link to this comment

Although it looks like a turning point has been reached in public opinion and the views of experts about the invasion and occupation of Iraq, redeploying out is another matter.

Many in power still want us to stay, either to continue as we have, or redeploy to the “megabases” to maintain a permanent presence there for years or decades.

When public opinion reached a tipping point about the Vietnam War in about 1970 or so, it still took seven more years for the US to redeploy all troops out of there.

Thoughts on comparisons between Vietnam and Iraq in the article “Americans felt turning points on Vietnam, Iraq wars in ‘70, ‘07” at: http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=31984

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By Emily Anne, July 13, 2007 at 5:36 am Link to this comment
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Thank you, Mstessyrue, for your crisp statement. The war is a disaster from which we should withdraw now, before more needless killings occur. The 12 billion being spent per month in Iraq could be put to far better use, for the betterment of humankind across the planet. This is obvious to the meanest intelligence. Further, by admitting openly that al Qaeda has grown in strength during this illegal and unnecessary war, the Bush adminstration has admitted that its policies are a failure. Change is desperately needed.

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By Miguel Nieto, July 13, 2007 at 5:03 am Link to this comment
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The unfortunate thing is that the American people, as a whole, or, should I say, those against the war, have not risen up in LOUD protest over this war..
You all know that not only Bush is in Denial, but most in congress still are, as well as our media, the christian religious loony right and those that can be labelled as rightwing fascists. And, Congress has proven to be useless over the issue of this war and Bush and his administration.
If the American people really had balls, these people who suppose to be representative of the people would have been kicked out of office, Bush and gang would be in prison by now awaiting their death sentences, and we would have a whole new crop of politicians beholding to the American people, not special interests!
Oh, and our troops would be coming home now. All of them (including the contractors)!
But, I guess that is too much expect of the American people. We just sit on our FAT ASSES and just make comments about things we are not willing to fight for. Truth, honesty and integrity from our elected representatives.

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By cyrena, July 12, 2007 at 10:41 pm Link to this comment

Comment#86476 by madeline boyle on 7/12 at 8:02 pm

Madeline:


I understand these sentiments so well:

.....“I agree with many other comments that Bush does seem to be mentally ill now. I had a “gut reaction” truly, when I heard his latest speech talking about success in Iraq. I felt my eyes tearing up ( I don’t cry easily ) because it just then dawned on me: This is our president and he is not just bad or stupid or idiotic - he is insane and needs help big time ASAP”...

So, imagine how it feels to have realized this way back at the beginning? Like, having lived under his Texas “Governorship”, it was apparent even then. So, you can imagine how I felt when cheney attached himself, and they did The Coup of 2000.

I don’t think I’ve recovered yet.

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By vet240, July 12, 2007 at 10:30 pm Link to this comment

First, I understand the 8 “satisfactory” ratings are debatable.

Second someone get me the names of the 10 Democrats that decided to vote “Dumocrat”?!

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By faith, July 12, 2007 at 9:32 pm Link to this comment

This President is a petulant child.  He does not understand the consequences of his acts.  He needs discipline and he needs the democratic congress to relieve him of his duties and responsibilities.  He is not a capable president, nor is he a leader.

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By faith, July 12, 2007 at 9:29 pm Link to this comment

Mr. Bush is not insane.  He understands and intends fully his actions.
This war is about GREED.GREED.GREED.

The continual argument posited by conservatives is, too bad, those young heroes who wanted to serve their country chose to do so.  It does not matter that those decisions were based on false material facts, nor does it address the fact that those young heroes cannot change their positions at this point and return.  Those conservatives are liars, cowards, and false presenters of the truth.  Shameful.  Shameful acts.

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By waxman, July 12, 2007 at 9:24 pm Link to this comment

bush is sick to much oreily koolaid with beam..maybe sean hannity can administer last rites for him…

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By madeline boyle, July 12, 2007 at 9:02 pm Link to this comment
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I agree with many other comments that Bush does seem to be mentally ill now. I had a “gut reaction” truly, when I heard his latest speech talking about success in Iraq. I felt my eyes tearing up ( I don’t cry easily ) because it just then dawned on me: This is our president and he is not just bad or stupid or idiotic - he is insane and needs help big time ASAP.

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By DennisD, July 12, 2007 at 8:02 pm Link to this comment
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Congress - enough with this useless legislation that will never survive a veto. Start IMPEACHMENT proceedings for everyone connected with this administration immediately and you may become relevant again.

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By cyrena, July 12, 2007 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment

Ya know,

I read the entire article, and it simply reeks with bush statements that put him far beyond denial, and into the psychotically dangerous category.

That we all see this, and still no one has subjected him to an Artical 4, competency hearing, is really beyond me.

How many of “we the people” would hire a mentally or emotionally unbalanced person, to do anything more than odd jobs, or tasks specifically suited for them?

Nevermind, I guess we haven’t done that, for the same reason we haven’t impeached them…yet.

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By desertdude, July 12, 2007 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment

The President is in total denial. He still insists that things are going good. Somebody Impeach this Idiot.

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By Mstessyrue, July 12, 2007 at 7:25 pm Link to this comment
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I’m glad to hear that the congress is at least taking action towards getting our troops home.  However, it is sad to see that the majority of the Republican Party still believes in this failed war.  This administration needs to recognize the war in Iraq is a complete mistake and becoming a disaster.  There are more critical issues that affecting the lives of millions of americans and people world wide that our president is not taking actions against. Now the war has proven to be a failure and is causing more violence, terror and poverty in this world.  According to the Borgen Project, it only takes $19 billion dollars annually to eradicate world hunger and poverty.  However, our government has already spent more than $450 billion dollars over this fruitless war in Iraq.  It is time for the Bush Administration to take a real interest in the lives of the American people as well as people who are in desperate needs around the world.  Stop the lies and stop poverty now.  Put away the arrogance and put the needs of the people before political gains.

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By Goffredo, July 12, 2007 at 7:09 pm Link to this comment
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The smirk in the picture says it all. 

Impeach Cheney, then Bush.

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