I really respect catholism as a fact I had been thinking of converting. Until things like this claims of catholic church being the only church, and only catholics go to heaven. Any building with a congregation worshipping jesus is a church. Anyone beliving in Jesus will go to heaven.

Ya know I like the the catholic church I respect it. Until things like this proclaiming it is the only and right church. And then to go and claim as well they are are the only church that is gonna make it to heaven. I am a christian And strongly beleive that all churches are churches and anyone believing in Jesus will go to heaven.

Nelson, the pope is a fuckhead.  He was a nazi, and the pope before him was also an asshole.

Serving the lord and christ?  Give me a break, you naive simpleton, he is only serving himself.  What has this fuckhead actauly ever done?  Has he ever worked at back breaking labour?  NO!  He has spent a lifetime of living like a bloodsucking spritual vampire.

The sooner this one dies the better.

Well, if I committed as many sins as a Catholic priest, I suppose the best place for me to be would be in church, too.  Being inside a spiritual venue for one hour a week is great.  I’m sure that during that hour everyone feels a little closer to the god of their understanding.  Difference: my god is more concerned about what I do in the 167 hours on the OUTSIDE of the building.  Right action will get you into right thinking.

Sight or Site?

Mike, thanks for the comic relief!

The pope, well, ratzo the magificient can go off and diddle a few alter boys (Isn’t that what catholic priests do?).

Still, I disrespect and dispise all religious “leaders” equally. For example, when Jerry Fallwell died, I danced about my living room like a fool, giddy with joy!  When Pope John Paul II passed on to nothingness, well I was happy.  The Ayatolla - same thing, joy!

We should cast the whole lot of them into the same pit, and then piss on them till they drowned!

If you don’t like your god, messiah, pope, or profit ridiculed and mocked, don’t come to a sight devoted to rationalism, realism, and logic.  What the fuck do these people expect when they come here?  Respect, acceptance, and tolerance for stupid silly unsupportable fairytales the belief inwhich has cause untold human misery and pain, while letting “leaders” avoid toil and sweat?

The pope is an asshole.

Pointy:

Texas?  The land of pussy assed cow humpers.  Now I understand why you are such an asshole coward.  Texas the land stolen by a bunch of slave holding white fuckheads from it’s rightfull owners, Indians and Mexicans.  Kiss my ass you fuckhead.

You were the one to call me out, so you should provide the address of where we should meet.  Everything else only points to the the fact that like most Texans, and Texas itself you are merely a blowhard coward.  I wouldn’t even waste my time with a cheesey asshole like your self.

Goodbye mush brain.
Kiss my ass

I will give you a hint back: Northern Canada (where real people of courage live).  Unlike Texas, the land of coward pussy fuckheads.  Texas, what a joke!  Don’t make me laugh!  HA!

Can you find Canada on a map?
Do you know what a map is?

I was taking this way to seriously, thanks for letting my know you are merely a Texas blowhard moron.

I include the following Private Message exchange to give everyone a chuckle”

Pointy:

Lets put it this way cum breath, I was the first to ask so you should be, if you have the guts, the first to answer to answer, which I know you won’t.  Just tell me the town in which you have your hole in the grown and I’ll gladly give directions to my secluded property.  IF you haven’t the guts to do so then I see no sense in continuing this.  So, without you furnishing your whereabouts this will end.  Make you a deal, IF(hahaha) you show up I’ll reimburse what it cost you to crawl down here.  Without that requested info I’ll not answer any longer as I can smell a coward anywhere.  I’ll go as far as to give you a hint—-TEXAS.

Archeon:

Well Pointy Coward, you still didn’t include your address.  Someone as brave as you shouldn’t have to wait for me to send mine first.  Come on, you called me out, show me where you live.  Of course you won’t because you are a yellow dog.  I guess you really are the product of a coupling between your mother and a stray dog.  Coward!  Just keep your tail between your legs and fuck off.

Just send me your address, then I will send you directions to my place - a very very secluded remote place in the Wilderness - when I am finished with you I will leave you to the bears and wolves.

Looks like even a moron like you can see I am the Alpha Dog in this fight!

I didn’t start this fight, and I not even sure why you want to attack me so, if I understood this it might be worthwile to come over and kick your ass.

You are a silly stupid fuckhead.

Pointy:

I know and you know you haven’t the guts to send me your address, so just send me the name of your town or city and I’ll gladly give you directions on a very secluded meeting place.  If you won’t, then shut your pecker puffing mouth.

Hell, Arch the turd,  you’re all ass.

Archeon:

Are you for real?  What kind of foolish moron are you?  If you don’t have anything to say that is on topic for the thread where you are posting, move on. ie - FUCK OFF.

Send me your address and we will take it from there.
Come on prove you are no coward, you are calling me out, back it up with action.

Kiss my ass fuckhead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Ok enough of that…..

Pointy:

Texas?  The land of pussy assed cow humpers.  Now I understand why you are such an asshole coward.  Texas the land stolen by a bunch of slave holding white fuckheads from it’s rightfull owners, Indians and Mexicans.  Kiss my ass you fuckhead.

You were the one to call me out, so you should provide the address of where we should meet.  Everything else only points to the the fact that like most Texans, and Texas itself you are merely a blowhard coward.  I wouldn’t even waste my time with a cheesey asshole like your self.

Goodbye mush brain.
Kiss my ass

I will give you a hint back: Northern Canada (where real people of courage live).  Unlike Texas, the land of coward pussy fuckheads.  Texas, what a joke!  Don’t make me laugh!  HA!

Can you find Canada on a map?
Do you know what a map is?

I was taking this way to seriously, thanks for letting my know you are merely a Texas blowhard moron.

I include the following Private Message exchange to give everyone a chuckle”

Pointy:

Lets put it this way cum breath, I was the first to ask so you should be, if you have the guts, the first to answer to answer, which I know you won’t.  Just tell me the town in which you have your hole in the grown and I’ll gladly give directions to my secluded property.  IF you haven’t the guts to do so then I see no sense in continuing this.  So, without you furnishing your whereabouts this will end.  Make you a deal, IF(hahaha) you show up I’ll reimburse what it cost you to crawl down here.  Without that requested info I’ll not answer any longer as I can smell a coward anywhere.  I’ll go as far as to give you a hint—-TEXAS.

Archeon:

Well Pointy Coward, you still didn’t include your address.  Someone as brave as you shouldn’t have to wait for me to send mine first.  Come on, you called me out, show me where you live.  Of course you won’t because you are a yellow dog.  I guess you really are the product of a coupling between your mother and a stray dog.  Coward!  Just keep your tail between your legs and fuck off.

Just send me your address, then I will send you directions to my place - a very very secluded remote place in the Wilderness - when I am finished with you I will leave you to the bears and wolves.

Looks like even a moron like you can see

Point Blank,
  As one interested in revealing the hypocrisies and mental unbalance inherent in Christianity (as it popularly exists), I would like to thank your service. Your frothing, hateful, and ultimately violent rantings have done more to discredit the faith you proclaim to defend than have the words of anyone here speaking overtly against it. Keep up the good work buddy, the check is in the mail.

Oh my goodness!

Nothing like a story about a “church” to bring the “preachers” out.

[Yawn ...]

But I still like the picture.

Pointy, I see you use the same lines in all your posts to the various threads here.  Originality is not one of your abilities I see.

I have read some of your other posts, and must dismiss you as a silly fool.

I know you.

Pointy you son of a dog fucking whore.
You wouldn’t have the guts to show up at my door even if you knew where I lived. You are an asshole.

I know you.

Pointy are you for real?
You have contributed nothing to this thread.
Why are you commenting at all?
How is anything you have said here related in anyway to the the topic?  What have you said that in anyway relates to what Cardinal Razinger said?
You have contributed nothing.  There is only one raving lunatic here - you.

Get back to your doublewide, and continue dreaming about poking little boys in the ass and emulating your heros - the priests of Catholism.  Fuck off you product of a coupling between your mother and a stray dog.

Still, I am not surprised Ratzo said what he said.  I would furthermore not be surprised to hear other leaders of other faiths to say the same thing if and when they are honest.  Religion is crap and the source of all human misery.

Pointy - I don’t understand the question.  I’m not sure what it has to do with anything here.

Are you trying to say that what Ratzo said is purely a Catholic thing? That: the church feels as a whole, that it’s teachings, it’s theological foundations, are the CORRECT ones. That Roman Catholism is the ONLY was to god?  You don’t agree that every religion, faith, sect, church, mosque, synagogue, etc sees what it teaches as the penultimate truth, and what everyone else is peddling as lies and falsehoods?

I am saying that the ALL belief systems founded on the idea of magical unseen thing controling everything, creating everything, are inherently biased, bigoted, self important, self agrandizing, and myopic.  They are all (and render their faithfull followers also such) hatefull, immoral, unethical, illogical, unreasonable, and bad.  The whole thing (Christo-Judaic-Islamism) is founded on the idea of blindly accepting the primacy or an unprovable idea for which no physical evidence can or will every be found or provided.

Fuck god, christ, mohammed, and the pope.

#86442 by Point Blank
“Satan, the fool, I say this unto you - you are cordially invited to attend the theological place of eternal punishment.  Whoops! I forgot! You own the place.  Stay warm!”

  And so we all see what lies behind the thin veil of your “Christian” goody-goodiness: a sadism taken to the infinite degree. Only a psuedo-Christian would wish an eternity of unspeakable suffering on someone who says something that affronts his ego.
  Or maybe you’ll make a half-hearted prayer for my redemption, all the while recalling that Paul has said that if someone so “wicked” as myself should offend someone so “righteous” as yourself, the Lord Himself will feed me hot coals in Hell forever.

#86408 by Point Blank
  “RAE, what you raised in? Probably a heathen atmosphere or a house of ill repute.”
  “In the mean time crawl back to your corner and do what you do best, play with yourself.”
  “You not only worship in a brothel, but you were scraped off the wall of one!”

  I am noticing the typical Xtian trend here, of associating sin and evil with sexuality, and the association of female sexuality or good old fashioned whoredom as something awful and filthy.
  Are all of your supposed insults just projections of your own sexual repression?
  My guess is your childhood indoctrination into Christian morality tweaked your organic sense of pleasure, replaced it with a mechanical response to moral authority. Where you shamed for playing with yourself? Did you get punished for seeing naked ladies? Were the naked ladies you liked seeing called whores? Was your new repression called “decency?”

Comment#86317 by Point Blank on 7/12 at 11:57 am

Not to worry PointBlank…

There will be NO blowback from US. I too was raised Catholic, and some of my family members were quite “zealous” about the whole thing.

I suspect that most of us though, figure things out as we go along.

I do think though, that the are better messages the Pope could be sending.

Over and over we hear the words… “I was raised a Catholic…”

SO WHAT?

I don’t know what that means. Are you claiming that all your faults are because of your “brainwashing” or are you trying to impress others that you’ve had some kind of superior education?

Unless you’ve survived your Catholic “education” and, in adulthood, DENOUNCED IT for the complete fraud that it is, you’re still ONE SICK PUPPY.

If you’ve “seen the light” and abandoned all Catholic nonsense, CONGRATULATIONS! Once again you’re now a free human being instead of a buttlicking lacky for a bunch of cross-dressing screwups.

This pope seems to stick his foot in his mouth bi-monthly….not very diplomatic / clever. Who does he think he is fer christ’s sake ? George Bush ?

Raised Catholic myself, I can now say that “church” has little to do with spirituality. The Catholic Church used torture and murder for centuries to keep control over its flock. I don’t think Jesus wanted to convey that message.
  Confessing ones sins to another has a certain healing quality about it, however nowadays can a priest keep it in confidence?
  It is not just the Catholics that I find fault with. The world is full of religious Zealots.
  My advice is that each person needs to love their fellow man and be in partnership with the planet. The spirituality will then come naturally.

Shouldn’t Ratzo get points for honesty at least?

Do the immams and mulahs in Tehran not beleive the same thing, about thier particual sect of thier religion?

Don’t the orthodox rabbis beleive the same thing regarding orthodox judaism?

What about all those “independant” and “non-denominational” protestant congregations?  If they didn’t feel/believe that they believed in a more prefect christianity than the Roman Catholics why not just go to a RCC?

The fact that 100’s of thousands of variations of belief and whoreship, in what many claim is the same god, exist shows that most of humanity feels exactly what Ratzo feels - that their way of believing is better than the other guys way.

Though I hate ALL forms of religion, I must give the RCC a nod and wink for being honest in it’s disregard for the validity of other’s faiths.

Foolish statement by the pope.  Christians met and worshiped as a group nearly three hundred years before there was a catholic church. The book of “Acts”, chapter two, discusses the early Christian meetings.  This occurred shortly after Christ’s death.
I am a little surprised that the pope would make such a bold and inaccurate statement.  He only needed to go to Cairo, Egypt and visit.  A congregation at the church of St. Mark has been meeting there long before there was a catholic church.  The catacombs underneath are where the early Christians would hide and worship. Those catacombs are much older than those located beneath La Notre Dame.

#86109 by THOMAS BILLIS on 7/11 at 7:16 pm

Your question Thomas:

“....By the way with the war going on based on different religious beliefs is this the best time to start this….”

I would have to say NOPE…this is definitely NOT the time to “start this”, though it’s more like just a continuation from the Pope, to other obnoxious things that he’s been saying for a while now.

This is why I’m not a Catholic anymore. This is why I’m not an ANYTHING “religious” anymore.

BUT, I would beg to disagree that the wars on based on religious disagreements. I honestly don’t believe that. All of these religions are too old, and have existed harmoniously enough (or at least as much as any of these religions…there are SOOOO many)for decades. So, this isn’t just a religious thing. This is more like a major social transition throughout one part of the world, to bring an old doctrine finally…into some form of modernity, that they can make work for the times that are now.

But more than that, these are all individual (though sometimes connected)groups/nations that politically motivated, to achieve any number of goals, but nearly all are either “self-liberating” or “state-establishment” centered goals. In other words, I’ve continued to argue that it’s not “religion” so much as what is causing all of the upheaval, but politics. Only politics.

The religion is a side thing, (to add to the chaos) and we see that the Pope is just jumping right into the fray, instead of sticking with the demands that we stop killing all of these people, which SHOULD be the common denominator for ANY and ALL religious group.

some day these simple minded dead jew worshippers will realize how irrelevant they really are.

What everyone forgets however is the implication that everyone who is not a catholic is whoreshipping false gods and following false prophets - EVERYONE who is not a RC.

People are surprised by this?
Get real people, Ratzo wasn’t saying anything new at all.
All faiths hate all the other faiths.
Simple yet true.
Religion is not about tolerance or acceptance.
IT is about domination and coversion - by force if neccessary.

Isnt this what all religions believe?

#86066 by Rosco:
  “I’ll go to church in a brothel.”

Yes! Ya know the priestesses of Inanna in Sumeria were prostitutes? Gimme that old time religion indeed. The Catholic Church advocates scolding infants for “touching themselves.” What an abomination! What a complete desecration of the natural spirit of humanity.
  Have you ever seen that crucifix on the pope’s staff? That ultimate symbol of all the Church stands for? J.C. looks like a piece of beef jerky!!!

Oh and all you pedophile lovers sticking up for this criminal can go straight to feckin’ hell with him. Take your papal bull stories (And I meant that!) and shove em up your arse.

Jesus was no Catholic, Protestant, Anglican or any such thing. If he lived and we only have the words of a corrupt, guilt ridden, Jewish thug that he did, he was a Jew. And the only phony Jewish messiah that got adopted by an empire that supposedly executed him. Adopted for having led that same empire in murdering thousands. What a legacy, what a crock! You’re all Roman wannabes. Tell your sad story walkin’. Your sins are not so original.

I’ll go to church in a brothel. Church for me is being right with whatever Supreme Being you believe in. To me this is just another case of organized religion being totally ridiculous. I’m truly amazed. It’d be humorous except that religion kills people. Lots of people.

“The authority that Christ conferred on St Peter and his apostles in the Gospel of St Matthew was bestowed to their apostles (the Church Fathers) and their subsequent bishops.”

Heretic’s question: Who gave Christ ANY “authority” to confer anything on anybody?

A: God.

Q: Who is God?

A: Christ.

Q: Does anyone have any evidence to substantiate this assumption of authority?

A: Only hearsay. No first hand, reliable, corroborated evidence has yet been discovered. Christ apparently acclaimed himself God and granted himself the authority to grant authority.

Q: Doesn’t anyone question this situation as just a little bit looney - lacking in common sense and legitimacy?

A: Oh yes, many do. But once such fantasies take hold as they do in millions of vulnerable human psyches it’s often impossible to reverse the damage. Unfortunately the millions that are perverted in childhood before they have the ability to think for themselves seem damaged for life.

In the Court of My Mind: CASE DISMISSED!

It is absolutely mind boggling that so many millions can be such suckers. Just astounding!

Holy Christ on a cracker, the schnauzer’s been in the schnapps again. First he kicks the Muslims in the balls and now pisses on every bloody Christian. Thank whatever deity you bow to that he’s made the Vatican a target once more. The last clown made nice with the Jews but this punk wants to fight for his corporate control of the next life. He might just get there on the express. All I can say is have a care for the artwork when you kick his Hitler Youth ass.

#86031 by Terradea
“Stop giving money to these horrible fakes and use it to feed the poor, heal the sick and save the planet!”

Rock on, Terredea!
  Basically, the Vatican says lots of stupid crap. Who gives a damn, except a lot of Catholics and I bet not so many of them really care.
  Benny, you are Peter? Sure you are, psycho. Get a life, you twisted old pedaphile freak.

Church’s Doors Have To Open To Everyone And Not Only For Catholics. Church’s Doors Open As Christ’s Heart Opened Over Two Thousand Years Ago.

Whoops, sorry…I did not intend to post two comments!!!

The report has got it wrong. The ecclesial communities that originate from the Reformation, or their subsequent heirs, do not constitute ‘churches’ because they are devoid of a validly ordained priesthood, and thus cannot dispense the sacraments. The Orthodox communies do enjoy the attribution of ‘churches’ in the CDF document(contrary to what your report claims), because although they are in schism, and their masses are illicit (not invalid however), their priesthood is valid and they maintain apostolic succession. This is why Orthodox priests do not have to be re-ordained if they convert to Catholicism (unlike Anglican ‘priests’, whose orders are considered ‘null and void’, see Apostolicae Curae), and vice versa, and why is possible for Catholics to have their sins absolved by Orthodox priests. It is also the reason why many Orthodox leaders have welcomed the document. Metropolitan Kirill of Smolensk, the leading ecumenical official of the Moscow patriarchate said that “everything contained in the Catholic documentrightfully applies to the Orthodox Church” since the Orthodox Church has preserved apostolic succession and does not recognize the validity of Anglican Holy Orders.

The authority that Christ conferred on St Peter and his apostles in the Gospel of St Matthew was bestowed to their apostles (the Church Fathers) and their subsequent bishops. Catholics and Orthodox churches trace a linage of succession back to the apostles and it is unacceptable for Catholics to rebel against the sacraments (which are needed to dispense grace—-necessary for salvation) by elevating Protestant ecclesial communities to the status of churches.

Also btw, the ‘Catholic Church’ described in the CDF documentrefers to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, which includes all the adherents of the liturgically distinct rites in communion with Rome, including the Alexandrian and Byzantine rites, not just the Roman rite (or the “Roman Catholic Church”).

Long Live the Reformation? It’s already dead! A Lutheran minister (whose name escapes me) said the same thing at his ‘bishops’ conference back in the forties, after his community dropped the ban on unnatural forms of contraception, which guess what…was inspired the Lambeth Conference in 1930 where, for the first time in history, a Christian denomination approved contraception (even the so-called “reformers” like Martin Luther and John Calvin condemned it). Anglican leaders are even too cowardly nowadays to critize homosexuality and abortion (...one of the reasons Lord Steele drafted his Abortion Act was because he was ‘inspired’ by a recommendation from the Anglican ‘bishops’ calling for its legalization).

I am also offended by the remarks of the Church Society on the Catholic Church’s history of persecuting Protestants. That is very much a regrettable part of our history, but he does not acknowledge the persecution caused by the ‘Established Anglican Church’ over here in Ireland. You and your so-called church killed us (and were a major contributor to the famine genocide), confiscated our lands and churches, banned us from sitting as MPs in Parliament, and still to this day we are considered ‘unfit’ to sit as monarchs. I think an apology is in order.

The report has got it wrong. The ecclesial communities that originate from the Reformation, or their subsequent heirs, do not constitute ‘churches’ because they are devoid of a validly ordained priesthood, and thus cannot dispense the sacraments. The Orthodox communies do enjoy the attribution of ‘churches’ in the CDF document(contrary to what your report claims), because although they are in schism, and their masses are illicit (not invalid however), their priesthood is valid and they maintain apostolic succession. This is why Orthodox priests do not have to be re-ordained if they convert to Catholicism (unlike Anglican ‘priests’, whose orders are considered ‘null and void’, see Apostolicae Curae), and vice versa, and why is possible for Catholics to have their sins absolved by Orthodox priests. It is also the reason why many Orthodox leaders have welcomed the document. Metropolitan Kirill of Smolensk, the leading ecumenical official of the Moscow patriarchate said that “everything contained in the Catholic documentrightfully applies to the Orthodox Church” since the Orthodox Church has preserved apostolic succession and does not recognize the validity of Anglican Holy Orders.

The authority that Christ conferred on St Peter and his apostles in the Gospel of St Matthew was bestowed to their apostles (the Church Fathers) and their subsequent bishops. Catholics and Orthodox churches trace a linage of succession back to the apostles and it is unacceptable for Catholics to rebel against the sacraments (which are needed to dispense grace—-necessary for salvation) by elevating Protestant ecclesial communities to the status of churches.

Also btw, the ‘Catholic Church’ described in the CDF documentrefers to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, which includes all the adherents of the liturgically distinct rites in communion with Rome, including the Alexandrian and Byzantine rites, not just the Roman rite (or the “Roman Catholic Church”).

The Reformation is already dead! A Lutheran minister (whose name escapes me) said the same thing at his ‘bishops’ conference back in the forties, after his community dropped the ban on unnatural forms of contraception, which guess what…was inspired the Lambeth Conference in 1930 where, for the first time in history, a Christian denomination approved contraception (even the so-called “reformers” like Martin Luther and John Calvin condemned it). Anglican leaders are even too cowardly nowadays to critize homosexuality and abortion (...one of the reasons Lord Steele drafted his Abortion Act was because he was ‘inspired’ by a recommendation from the Anglican ‘bishops’ calling for its legalization).

I am also offended by the remarks of the Church Society on the Catholic Church’s history of persecuting Protestants. That is very much a regrettable part of our history, but they do not acknowledge the persecution caused by the ‘Established Anglican Church’ over here in Ireland. They and their so-called church killed us (and were a major contributor to the famine genocide), confiscated our lands and churches, banned us from sitting as MPs in Parliament, and still to this day we are considered ‘unfit’ to sit as monarchs.

Now if we’re talking about wealth, castle like buildings, crimson robes, smoke and mirrors, plus a sorta unbroken record of existence since the fall of Rome ... if “Church” means all of that then yes ... they hold the record.

But is that what Church means? Holding the record for opulence ... and a history traced unbroken [Note: I did not say unchanged] since the Roman Emperor Constantine recognized Christians?

I think not.

The dictionary says,
Church: A building for public, especially Christian worship.
Church: Any group calling themselves Christian and coming together to worship.
Church: All believers in Christ from Adam on ...

The Roman Catholic Church says,
Church: Characterized by an episcopal hierarchy with the pope as its head and belief in seven sacraments and the authority of tradition.

So basically what the Pope is saying is the same thing Popes have always said ... we are right and you are wrong.

Sorry, this is not news!
But I like the picture ...

Ask the Pope to define who is a Christian. I will bet he hasn’t a clue. Remember folks, he puts his slacks on the same way I do. If he is so Holy and has a direct line to God why not heal all the people that are the hospital dying. Can’t do it is no more than me. Just a man.

I love this guy…nothing makes me smile more than seeing the Catholic church make itself even more irrelevant…

What next Benny? Start selling indulgences again?